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Arther & George - Julian Barnes
Bloody good it is too. I'm nearly finished it.
Anyone else read it?
Drowned in Sound
I'm about halfway through (600 pages!) and it's well good.
I also have to finish Haunted by Chuck Palahniuk and I have a book of short stories by Poe which I read when I'm feeling dark.
But I'm determined to finish it.
You guys must be weird
The Player of Games - Iain M Banks
Loving it also.
timewasters letters - robin cooper. very funny.
read all his books, they're amazing.
that is an instruction, not a boast, since "read" and "read" look exactly the same written down.
I've only read Wasp Factory to date but fully intend on working my way through his Iain Banks and Iain M Banks back catalogues.
Complicity or The Crow Road are my favourite non-scifi ones.
Feersum Endjinn is probably my favourite sci-fi novel of his.
Consider Phlebas by Iain M Banks! Player of Games is excellent!
Just finished Perfume by Patrick Suskind which was a top read!
just a book. It's full-blown literature.
It almost literally blew my tiny mind.
not read Iain M banks though
I have just finished dead air, and super it was!
is probably my least favourite of all his "regular" stuff...but I think I read it back-to-back with The Castle which is one of the most unpleasant-but-compelling things I've ever read, so it might've just seemed a bit loose in comparison.
a hell of a lot more than Whit or The Business, which I think are his worst non-scifi novels.
'we need to talk about kevin' - or whatever. it's actually turning out to be really good, i'm glad i persevered.
the day of the triffids - john wyndham , which... is scary :(
I'm nearly finished Lord Of The Rings, it's taken awhile this time around as I am mainly reading it on the bus on the way to uni.
Red Dwarf book next!
no book has ever made me laugh so much as Red Dwarf and Better Than Life.
is 'My Name Is Dave Gorman' by, er, Dave Gorman!
having just finished Bill Bryson's 'Short history of everything'
someone recommend me something good
The Third Policeman - Flann O Brien
The Handmaids Tale - margaret atwood
not read The Third Policeman - I'll check it out
he's my favourite author :)
I found it for 2.99 in HMV! It is as mad as a box of frogs!
Any that I should aim for first?
The Dalkey Archive is really good though, it references stuff that's in the third policeman too so, you might like that one.
The Hard Life is also good, really really irish-centric though.
i need to learn some more adjectives.
I'll keep my eyes open for them :o)
i love the handmaids tale!
margaret atwood is amazing.
this book is the reason im so against id cards
and there are many better dystopias. but i like her rich wordplay and she can do description without pissing me off, which is rare.
It's been one of my favourites since I first read it as a youngster. LOVE IT.
I'm only a little way into it.
I read Up The Junction before this, so now I want something that's not a British working class novel set in the 50s/60.
it's pretty good.
I loved it and am now (sporadically) reading Number9Dream by the same guy.
Even though it did become THE book to read at that time, which put me off a bit!
"I'm nearly finished it."
oooooooo. hang your head in shame.
I'm only 5 pages in.
Tamerlane's Children. None of this fiction shite...
Anything by Chuck Palahniuk except Diary. It's a bit shit.
If you're feeling beefy, then The First Circle by Alekszander Solshenitsyn. I've spelt that wrong.
Tokyo Doesn't Love Us Anymore by Ray Liorga is damn good too.
it's part of a trilogy of (unconnected) books that depict three differing futures for Orange County (where he grew up).
i like his writing, it's interesting.
martin amis sucks
this one is kinda boring, so i just put off reading it.
in the meantime, i've read 'dry' by augusten burroughs, which i really enjoyed, and i've started on an iain m banks book although i forget the title. i think it's his most recent.
by Donna Tartt - and thoroughly enjoying it too :D
clive barker - the great and secret show
very lightweight but quite enjoyable considering its 700 pages long
I read loads of Clive Barker about 15 years ago, I thought Weaveworld was his best.
I had nowt to read so i nabbed it from the 'library' at work.
It's a bit boring so far
tommyknockers tommyknockers, knockin atchyour door
and the rest
have you read it? does it get better?
it's so DULL at the minute!
and went through a stephen king phase... i can't remember though...
well, I've only read 4 o 5. But I think I've found them all a bit boring, apart from The Shining.
books i've ever, ever read.
by FAR. and i've read every single bloomin' one of them. by half.
I liked The Shining, The Stand was alright, um Needful Things was boring...and um, that might be all i've read actually
its a very good place to start
I thought that was his best, long though (>1000 pages). The TV version was truly terrible, like a lot of King adaptations!
and then got confused and read a bit of foucault, and to be honest i couldn't tell the differance.
someone must have found that at least slightly amusing.
right now. I am about to commence reading something by Ben Elton. You can shove your fancy old 'classic' novels up your pooper.
the story of viz, innit
I'm an experienced Ben Elton novel reader. He's my favourite author, alongside Mike Gayle and the woman that wrote Bridget Jones.
Did I succeed?
still a fag.
diss you. but then it dawned on me that you were lampooning us all.
im a bit slow sometimes.
balls off this. Mike Gayle, did you know his brother was the news reader on the big breakfast? True story.
brilliant and funny, like all of the Discworld series!
i love it! (the 3rd policeman)
Dance Dance Dance by Haruki Murakami.
It's great - it's like a Japanese Coupland minus the cliches.
Especially the bit in all his books when everything starts to get weird.
Have you read 'Norwegian Wood' by him? It's all the normal Murukami topics (alienation, isolation, desolation..) minus the surrealism and Metaphysics.
I love this book, it's one of my favourites.
'kings nobles and commoners', jeremy black
'the struggle for stability in early modern europe '-Theodore Rabb
'The French nobility in crisis 1560-1640.'
'National conciousness, history and political culture in early modern europe.'
'Why bother with history' -beverly southgate
Historians on history-John Tosh
'Debates in stuart history'-ronald hutton
also 'The origins of history'- Herbert Butterfield. yeah guess that's about it.
you're just a bloody weirdo.
i'm like this. i wholly blame you.
actually, weirdness and being a history student are synonimous anyhow.
Kicked into Touch by Fred Eyre.
Something a bit more lighthearted right now, as the last 5 or so books I've read have been brilliant but quite depressing.
Douglas Coupland. I was reading James Baldwin's Going To Meet The Man - excellent short story collection plus he got name checked in Capote which i watched the other night and is very overhyped.
I had Paul Auster's New York Trilogy foisted on me and so far I don't see the attraction.
It seems to me that men like a lot of writers whose prose is nothing special but have a way with plot.
the grapes of wrath. an epic.
Neil Nehring - Popular Music, Gender and Postmodernism
Seeland - Plundrephonics
Michael Nyman - Experimental Music: Cage & Beyond
Charles Neal - Tape Delay
Manning - Electronic and Computer Music.
i say reading, i mean skimming them and picking out some juicy quotes.
The Spanish Labyrinth: The Social and Political Background of the Spanish Civil War
Living To Tell The Tale [Gabriel Garcia-Marquez]
Probably need to rid myself of evil interview memories first though.
Also, I didn't make this thread go up. Honest.
Having a break from proper reading and revisiting some books I loved dearly [no pun intended] as a child - currently Firebringer.
I'll give it a retrospective titter.
joeymahone | 24 Jan '07, 13:42 | Send note | Reply
In The Aeroplane Over The Sea by Kim Cooper.
I just don't :(
And I'm enjoying this much much more than a "proper" book. What's a "proper book", anyway?
Books not related to the music you like.
What's wrong with reading something I'm interested in?
And makes little sense. I mean you enjoy some musicians poetry - so why not check out other poets?
And it's not something I care enough about TO start.
I don't ONLY read music-related stuff, anyway? But I don't see the problem with reading about things I'm interested in.
If you look at the poetry thing - that's not about music, so there's no reason to think you'd prefer him just because he's a musician.
I mean, I only started reading Berman because I love Silver Jews so much, but it's not BECAUSE I like the book, music has nothing to do with it... it's unrelated. I would like to read more, but I have no idea where to start. Sure, that may be an ignorant attitude, but David Berman is the only poet I've ever enjoyed enjoyed reading.
Also: I like to read books that are music-related, because I'm heavily interested in music? I've asked this three times and you haven't addressed it... what's wrong with that? I don't have any interest in Latin America or whatever... but I accept some people do and enjoy reading literature related to it. What's wrong the other way round?
Of course reading on particular areas is good. But I also think it's extremely narrow minded - especially considering you might take English Literature.
What's narrow-minded - there's nothing I'm opposed to checking out? I'll check out whatever's recommended to me, most of the time. But to actively research more literature isn't something I have an interest enough to do.
And whenever I mention literature you seem pretty apathetic towards it, which because of such things as this, I can't understand. I just believe that it's very important for everyone to read widely.
And I am apathetic towards literature... the amount of books I've read in my teenage years is shocking (I honestly doubt it's more than twenty), but that's not to say I'm opposed to it.
I just don't have an active interest in literature. Being apathetic towards it isn't to say I'm narrow-minded towards it.
People who 'don't like reading' annoy the hell out of me. I mean, yeah, words - awful. There's so much amazing fiction out there, but if you're satisfied being an 'I'll wait for the movie person' fine.
Also, please cross Eng Lit off your potential A Level subjects.
...how can you care so much?
And I don't not like reading. It's just not something I'm not hugely interested in. You're different, that's great, don't attack me for a different view/interest. I don't attack you for not being a music person anymore.
Anything you'd like to recommend would be great.
And I'm doing Eng Lit.
I'm just not 'omgsomegaexcited!!!!11!' at new releases or whatever. I do listen to new music, and of course I still love it. I have music on nearly always whilst at home. But there's a huge different.
Literature is FAR more important. I mean, being widely read is invaluable, to be able to understand so much more - I mean, language is just so much. And whilst music is, of course, a wonderful wonderful thing, it doesn't have anywhere near thye same impact.
I'm not as interested in it as you... that's all I'm saying. If you honestly care about that, it's your problem, not mine.
And fine about the music thing...
*I don't attack you for not being as much of a music person anymore.
Happy? (and have you heard the new Shins record?)
I'm guessing this in someway makes me ill-educated? I'm sure that record will teach me so much. Note, I would actually like to listen to it, but can't download or afford right now.
Completely bizarre but great. I'm not interested in literature really - so I'll analyse works for A Level. Logical? If you want to do that kind of a subject it's CRUCIAL to do a lot of outside reading. And hopefully, quite obvious.
It's one of the better subjects, but I don't really enjoy doing it (although that completely depends on what we're studying... Shakespeare, I Know Why The Caged Bird Sings (which I didn't read, and still managed a B in the exam!) = horrible. I can't think of anything else I've hated...). Mainly I'm just doing it to fill up an option, and it just feels like something I should know about and gain a wider knowledge on, even if I'll drop it after the first year.
Then why not read?!
Again, anything you'd like to recommend would be appreciated.
One Hundred Years Of Solitude - Gabriel Garcia Marquez
The Remains Of The Day - Kazuo Ishiguro
Catch-22 - Joseph Heller
Hopscotch - Julio Cortazar
On The Road - Jack Kerouac
Crime & Punishment - Dostoevsky
Catcher In The Rye - JD Salinger
Homage To Catalonia - Orwell
There you go. A mix of just about everything, all [mostly] acclaimed or classic. Enjoy.
midnight's children is awesome.
im currently reading mother night by kurt vonnegut. it's very good.
just can't believe I'm still at it...don't resent it or nowt
Yeah that was hardcore...Buddha with his silver spitton and all that!
it's interesting to see who's still on the same book.
it's proving a bit difficult to pay attention to.
for 'pleasure (ie when i cant be bothered reading uni things)' philip roth - the plot against america
horace - odes
homer - the iliad.
by Kazuo Ishiguro
It is wonderfully written
I need to revisit older Ishiguro again, The Remains of the Day had such an effect on me when I first read it.
sometime soon. What's so good about it?
It's a really moving account of something you'd NEVER expect to be moving. It's a beautifully nostalgic look at England but without any of the horrible jingoism that usually goes with it and the depth of emotion in it is totally overwhelming.
I'm reading it as part of a course on postcolonial literature so that sounds good.
but I imagine that The Remains of the Day would be really interesting to discuss from that perspective.
Half of it is just someone saying 'this text is racist' and then a bunch of other people saying 'no, it's being ironic' and so forth.
I always find it a bit weird how writers almost seem to be blamed for embodying the attitudes of their time. You can't really expect Mark Twain to "know better" than to call someone a "nigger" or whatever, it was just the way people spoke. And most of the post-colonial criticism I've read seems to suggest that this literature is BAD because it doesn't conform to a modern, enlightened viewpoint. Judging the morality of people from even 50 years ago is so difficult. It's the same problem as getting today's governments to apologise for slavery I guess...
Literature I guess is generally thought of as being more timeless than most historical artefacts therefore people seem to seek modern ideologies in it.
It seems bizzarre to me that the contents of a clearly fictional text could be used to accuse a writer of being racist.
between saying "this text depicts a character who is racist", for example, and "this text reveals or indicates certain attitudes on the part of the author". Generally, though, just saying "Conrad's a racist" or "Twain's a racist" is less easy to argue definitively (and also less interesting) than a more nuanced view.
I find it frustrating as you can look at the author biographically, you can analyse the specific text (and others) but ultimately there's no way of knowing for sure, one way or another.. It's all down to subjective interpretation.
I also think accusing a writer of being a racist undermines the quality of the text. Should great works of literature not be read because they may or may not be racist? It's like reviving the obscene publications act.
not to read it on MORAL grounds...
Bollocks. You can ALWAYS expect people to know better. And if postcolonial criticism is suggesting that this literature is BAD, then it is in fact this criticism which is BAD and you should be reading something less simplistic.
I don't think it's them not knowing better and it's not as simple as using a term like 'nigger', it's more to do with representation which is clearly intentional. I don't think a negative depiction of a race is neccesarily a manifestation of the writer's personal views.
like I said above. I just have a problem with the idea that someone's views can be defended or explained on the grounds that "it was a long time ago and lots of people thought like that".
by the fact that people thought differently. They DID think differently.
It doesn't mean their view is any less contemptible, but I think it does perhaps mean their view is more forgivable.
"But they can be explained by the fact that people thought differently. They DID think differently."
Not all of them. Otherwise slavery would never have been abolished, for example.
But people still had a very different perspective on race and empire to our's today and it can explain why people held the views they did. I imagine even Wilberforce thought about race differently to us.
Like I say, I don't condone the language or views of Conrad or Twain or whoever, but I don't think you can censure them for embodying the popular attitudes of their time.
Perhaps one day, when society has changed a lot, meat eating will be thought of as being as disgusting as racism but can you tell people who eat meat now they should have known better when most people were eating it. A crude analogy I know....
I'm sure Blake thought about it differently. It's not just attitudes which have changed, but the very idea of what constitutes "race" (as with similar discourses about sexuality and gender).
My point is more that when you say "I don't think you can censure them for embodying the popular attitudes of their time", it wasn't a consensus. The "popular attitudes of our time", for example, include suspicion and loathing of asylum seekers, and I would expect and hope that future generations will treat these attitudes with the censure they deserve if they show up in works of literature.
Though i suppose with a little effort I could discuss how attitudes towards race in Victorian literature were held by both the upper, educated classes and the lower, uneducated classes whereas I'd contend that the majority of those who are suspicious and loathing of asylum seekers are generally working class and poorly educated.
I've lost the thread of this... I'll maybe work it out later.
aside from the fact that you seem to be more forgiving and understanding than me. As a closer, though, in response to the widely-held belief that retarded right-wing views are the speciality of the working class, I give you this little charmer: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6293847.stm
I hope she gets eaten by a fucking shark. A BLACK ONE
to "know better" in a 21st century sense. Coming back to twain, he shows great respect and empathy for his black characters but still refers to them as "nigger". It's just the way people spoke in 19th century America...
It's just interviews with a load of comedians
Jon Ronson - incredibly smug but very readable too.
The Troubles And Triumphs Of Blues Legend Hubert Sumlin by Will Romano. I bought this in Chicago, appropriately enough. Have hit a bit of a readers block though and stopped halfway through after starting this in November. This happens sometimes and I'll finish this book and start others I have. The majority of what I've been reading for the last few years have been music related
Tender Is The Night by F Scott Fitzgerald. I loved the style, particularly of the opening part of it, but I felt I didn't have enough life experience to really appreciate what he was trying to get at later on in the novel.
Next I read The Accidental by Ali Smith.
I'm sure you will too.
nearly finished, it's fantastic.
Shalimar the Clown.
Very amazed by the quality of this. He gives a real feeling of panic and his layering and characters are ace!
it is nice
Palace of the White Skunks by Reinaldo Arenas. I've not dipped into it for a while though :( too much internet, not enough reading.
I read a chapter the other night at around pages 18-20 or something, and was a bit kind of... 'What the fuck?' all the way through.
It was slightly warped to say the very least.
Not what I expected.
Just wait til he starts going on about "the musty-sweet smell of penetrated rectum" and stuff.
Dont worry made of paper.
Its also just a kind of thing that has probably been put together rather recently to appeal to the 'consumer' market.
I gotta read this sort of thing though because no doubt loads of death metal fans will get one and read it and then you will have a host of people who imagine that they are knowledgable about summarian gods (after reading just one 'consumer' book)
Tell you what I do want to read next.
'The book of Enoch'
I really should read "The Bloody Chamber" again.
I really like the beginning of A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man but the bit when he's at university is interminably boring. I guess it would have been more interesting if I'd understood what they were discussing all the time a little better though...
The Traveller (light train reading - a bit rubbish), and the Adam Ant autobiography (bedtime reading). I recently finished This Thing of Darkness by Harry Thompson, which was probably one of the best books I have ever read.