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significantly increase your chances of developing psychiatric problems.
significantly increases your chances of developing liver as well as psychiatric problems.
but alcohol has been a well established drug for years and years amongst all classes of people. the law makers won't ban it because they enjoy it so much.
heroin (for example) is mostly enjoyed by degenerates or rock stars and is thus worthy for illegality. something like that?
plsu there would be a collosal public outcry if alcohol was made illegal (prohibition era america). all that would do would be to ciminalise almost everyone in the country. grrrreat.
Toffee can increase the chance of heart problems and woe betides if a diabetic eat some by mistake.
The fact is that nearly everything can be realated to some kind of health problem.
I was mearly playing Devils Advocate earlier.
sold at pharmacies to the welltodo.
until people realised it was dangerous. like most drugs really.
they'll probably say that about cigarettes one day.
so how is that different to if alcohol was banned?
has a deeper history in england. it is more prestigious to collect wine than it ever was to collect and enjoy heroin. and alcohol is and was more widley used than heroin was.
plus heroin has greater health risks than alcohol.
isn't heroin physically addictive?
isnt taxed though
some are quite nice though
hasn't done some form of substance?
lots of people i know have never done any illegal drugs
I need to follow your lead. I've never done any but everyone i know has and they seem mightily proud of it. The list goes:
And they all see nothing wrong with it. There's alot of bravado between people who dabble as well. They're always keen to say that they took something and it had very little effect.
I don't care who does what though but i'll always abstain.
dont worry about not doing drugs. most are a bit dull after a few times anyway
said big deal about Leah Betts claiming anti-drug campaigns are just government scare mongering to stop people having fun.
if you're sensible, drugs are "fine". this is in no way saying there are no dangers.
not Speed 2
has this been alerted to the daily mail?!
starring sandra bullock
care about a shit news paper?
though he is diabetic so he injects insulan (thats not spelt right) twice a day
never done an illegal drug, is that really that weird?
you're with most of the population
frowned upon society
and to be fair, if the whole population was knocking back laudanum all the time, we'd get fuck all done.
and it fucked lots of them up.
i guess it was a bit of an exaggeration, but I don't think a world with over the counter opium availble everywhere would be a particularly good idea.
the whole country knocks back alcohol all the time, and we never get anything done.
Victoria was a proper smackhead
why isn't that illegal? because it's culturally accepted?
used to go on long, long journeys and stop at coaching houses for the evening, they didn't sit around passing the pipe. They sat and had an ale. Tradition, innit. Or something.
And this of course is a cardinal sin for anything.
have to pay for their health care when they half kill themselves to death
is all well and good because of the same reason vodka was a penny a litre in Communist Russia, it keeps the masses sedated.
our current society is based upon it. In a worst-worst-worst case scenario, legalising and making easily available drugs would case economic activity to cease and society to collapse...but that's worst-case scenario.
and advert on how drugs can be good and bad.
and took nothing. I was too misreable.
ever follow Amsterdam and make cannabis legal or is this just not the sort of nation where easy access to drugs (without the threat of punishment) could work?
but i think the distressingly excessive attitude to 'drink & drugs' is largely borne out of the fact that the laws here have generally been harsher.
if only i could remember the source...
ANYWAYZ i read that studies show consumption of alcohol amongst women INCREASED during Prohibition in the 1920s across the pond.
the 'glamour' of being a law-breaker is one of the main causes for illegal drug use, from my experiences.
lets legalise crime
not too sure about this. some people definately, but not most.
IN MY OPINION
loads of hardbitten criminals swanning around going, "I would commit a crime, but it's all so commercial these days."
But I have done pretty much every drug imaginable: weed, coke, opium, crack, speed, mdma, mushrooms, but nowadays just smoke weed (daily) and do the very occasional line of coke. (never done LSD, knew it would send me insane). and I think that with some people there is a deep seated need to escape their own consciousness, and to feel something different from the normal depressing mundanity of life. Some people just get drunk all the time, but some people like me do not particularly like the taste of alcohol or the feeling it gives you.
The main point about drugs is that they all make you feel incredibly good. I mean, the high of ecstasy, is exactly what it says on the tin (if they came in tins). It’s fucking amazing.
The reason some drugs are illegal and some are legal (nicotine and tobacco) is that the ruling classes had to draw a line somewhere between allowing their citizens to numb themselves to the worthlessness of their existence, and risking society becoming chaos. They chose to draw the line at an arbitrary point which looks more and more dated by the year.
certain leaves for their intoxicating qualities. true fact.
Being rather a libertarian, I tend to be in favour of letting everyone do what drugs they like. However, I would resent having to clean up after them and I can't abide all the whining from people who are addicted and want to get off. Drugs are good, but long term use can fuck you up. And too much cake gets you fat, so make your own choices.
The main problem associated with drugs is the criminality that goes along with it. Possibly a better solution would be to have drugs supplies that are legal, pure and reasonably taxed. Anything to encourage users to go to legitimate sources rather than stealing to put money in the hands of criminal gangs. Which is not far off what that copper said this morning.
opium with some village elders in thailand. it was great. lying down on my side in a bamboo hut puffing on this black tarry stuff. then slept like a baby with the most fucked up dreams ever.
social factors are more important.
but in terms of class A drug abuse amongst people that aren't at the bottom of the ladder, i've found that almost all of it i've encountered has been rooted in how 'daring' and 'edgy' it is.
i've heard people say "i can't wait to do some class As this weekend!!11!1!1!" many a time.
if discovered today.
people seem to assume that if drugs were legalised, everyone would be doing them, 24/7. i mean, i know if i wanted to i can get weed/coke/pills whatever, but i don't. cos i'm not really that interested, and don't have the money.
not blowback. addict
PEER PRESSURE you loser
i really don't. at all. far too weird.
weed makes me cough
I just drink really
and pills turn people into gobshites
but I've had three girls come on to me off their faces on E so it must do something right (or wrong)
to put it in your eyes
one of the girls REALLY smelled as well, otherwise I would have gone back to her tent
it's lucky you've only ever met me when drunk.
i'm still in awe of your stunning drinking habits.
except people are GREAT on E. Sometimes.
I must try it sometime, but knowing my luck I'll probably DIE or something
I took it often.
Then I had a burnout and had to quit.
Don't do it often. But definitely do it.
i am pretty much terrified of doing it. i don't know why.
it's the only bit of school drug education that really worked on me. they painted the risks are being highly likely and highly unpleasant...
I'm not sure they are highly likely though.
it will be beautiful
and it better be good stuff.
something about your brain swelling up and boiling from inside out.
for alcoholism yet?
i chose to find out for myself, as a result, I've done pretty much everything.
I haven't liked everything, but I haven't hated everything either.
I personally don't like the taste of alcohol, nor the headache it gives me, plus I get really rowdy when drunk and get violent.
So I smoke weed, as these days I prefer downers to uppers. But I have a well paid job, own my own house etc etc
Horses for courses in my book, tell everyone what happens, good and bad, then let them find out for themselves. Make it legal, effectively wiping out a huge portion of organised crime in one fell swoop.
you have to try it. just don't go over board
trying it on a boat would be irresponsible
potentially quite magical
sucessful in claiming from a tobacco company over lung cancer. Certainly if they have they haven't opened the gateway for every smoker who's ever died of cancer/heart disease, had a bit of a cough, suffered undesirable deepening of the voice or whatever to get on the compensation bandwagon. Same as alcohol, people drink themselves to death all the time, nobody's suing. There'd need to be health warnings and so on obviously, but regulation and (free) market forces would prevent some of the most common unpleasantries, such as drugs being cut with substances more dangerous/less pleasant than the drug itself, heroin users overdosing because they recieve a much stronger batch than they're used to etc.
Drugs are illegal because a majority of people in this country (certainly of those who vote) Are ignorant and/or scared of drugs and drug users. The role of drug users, education and the media in that could be an entirely different debate.
sue the tobacco industry in america
I don't think anyone's won. Not that I can remember or find on google now anyway. If anyone has won it'll have been over how the tobacco companies covered the danger up for so long, No-one's ever gonna win a lawsuit based on how they started off buying a packet saying "smoking kills" and now they're dying. If heroin were sold it would need "Warning too much of this will kill you" Type stuff on it. Definitely.
(I do not recommend these)
others probably remain illegal, as it gives a useful hold over any potential agitators....e.g. individual who doesnt pay attential to rules, may either just be criminla or someone who makes up their own mind and does not do just as they are told, it i likely that such people may come into conflict with 'administration' or may try to campaign against some future administration move.....so it would be useful for 'the administration' to simply have something simple that the newspapers will be happy to discredit the individual with, they wont even hve to bother addressing any campagn such individuals may start.
I just looked in my Dad's weed box and he had enough to feed the five thousand. No wonder he had to borrow a tenner off me the other day to pay his mate.
never heard of them
and similar to brugmansia type stuff. It is not for playing around with though, very easy to kill yourself with, seriously it is not like recreational, you need to learn a lot first, and even then you may not want to, it is not necessarily pleasent. check out erowids vaults....or whatever its called
prepared or nay. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4691899.stm
since they grow naturally, I would have thought the law would be in danger of making an ass of itself if it tried to prosecute in some cases where someone just ate something in situ....i mean shouldnt they have to erect a sign and fence around 'illegal mushrooms'
"Exceptions will be made for people who unknowingly pick the mushrooms in the wild or find them growing in their garden, and critics have argued the act will be difficult to police."
is probably MORE dangerous than most drugs.
Heroin for example isn't a particularly harmful drug (ODing aside), but the stuff it is cut with IS dangerous.
(based on my limited knowledge) seemed to make a big distinction between the public and private spheres. ie as long as bad things were done discreetly then what business is it of the state's in a libertarian democracy to dictate what people do or don't do behind closed doors as long as it doesn't negatively effect society as a whole?
Is this right? To what extent (if any) does this apply to society now?
I don't really see how casual recreational drug use is any worse than going to the pub a few times a week.