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So says Jarvis apparently
i love it. so fucking good to here a new jarvis song!!!!! He's still got it!
hear. its early.
I've listened to it about 50 times now
how long before it's pulled off myspace do you think?
chances of radio play?
I reckon this is definately newsworthy Mr. Roberts or Mr. Diver or whoever's on the newsdesk todays
if anyone wants an mp3 rather than a myspace stream, i've stuck one up on my blog; http://jamiesrunoutgroove.blogspot.com
I don't entirely blame Geldolf for Live 8's failure. It was partly his fault but he had the best intentions.
The problem is that, after Geldolf got involved then the newspapers got involved, and the entire Make Poverty History thing got hijacked by this patronising "get together and show you care about the poor" crowd.
What never came across was the point of the Make Poverty History campaign. It became this catch-all charity thing and the issues regarding 3rd World Debt and Corporate/Social Responsibility in developing countries got lost.
On a more positive note, the JC song is indeed excellent.
And, whilst it was a fun day out for everyone to come together, enjoy some music and feel good about showing they care about starving children, it was absolutely useless in terms of its main aim - i.e. to make people aware of the damage we do to poorer countries through crippling debts, trade tarrifs etc.
I believe the original Live Aid's function was largely a money-raising thing - a 24 hour appeal to raise as much money as possible and obviously the concert worked in that context.
But, as Live 8 was not about raising money but raising awareness, a large concert like that simply wasn't appropriate to do the job.
It was a global media exercise in research for downloading direct from TV advertising
It was a global advert for Nokia and AOL (who collected the 30million email addresses)
It reinforced the stereotype that Africa is a poor continent that can't achieve anything for itself without the 'generosity' of the global industrial capitalist monarchs
It singularly failed to address the fact that the state of the continent of Africa is entirely the fault of the colonial powers and the slave-trade profiteers that committed decades of genocide that basically underwrote the West's material pre-eminence
It made (and still makes) my blood boil
the mass ignorance which live 8 failed to address. I think the majority of the west think Africa evolved into poverty or something.
it was like a mass brainwashing
no, it WAS a mass brainwashing
I found some of my vented spleen from this time last year
Interviewer: "So what are you looking forward to in Live 8?"
Person in crowd: "Errr, like, Razorlight, Elton John...Coldplay."
Interviewer: "And your views on poverty?"
Person in crowd: "Well yeah, it's really bad...we've gotta get rid of it."
i think the main fault of Live 8 was thinking politicians have a soul and understand the notion of not fucking people over.
the point of this thread was:
New Jarvis Cocker Song!
is truly ace.
When's the album due?
no word as yet
Making Africans better off makes us worse off. And we wouldn't want that, would we?
Still, ta for the concert Bob, have you murdered Mariah Carey yet?
depends who you mean by 'us' i guess.
change our way of live by buying less and paying more for it.
and people won't do that, will they?
i thought that was part of the problem, because their goods cannot compete due to the CAP and other such things?
more than just africa.
but you're right to say that a lot of stuff isn't made in africa. labour rights abuses are more widespread in south / central america and south east asia where a majority of western manufactured goods are produced.
re: making Africans better off.
well, africa's problems are so complex i wouldn't even know where to start.
you've got multinationals running rampant and supporting (and even nearly running) dictatorshops in areas with oil. you've got religious and ethnic hatred causing genocide in others. you've got complete lack of government in others (somilia hasn't had a government for 15 years now). it is a real mess BUT it isn't anything that can't be sorted out if changes are made to the way the West is run.
it would definitely be a good start, but such changes aren't going to stop financial corruption or ethnic warfare.
the things that will stop corruption and warfare are successful examples of autonomous non-corrupt, non-warfaring societies reaping dividends
however, the examples given to Africa through colonialism up to the present day western domination of the globe are quite the opposite
Of course, this is not exclusive to Africa by any means. The example at large to the world is that corruption and warfare bring power and money to those that indulge in this dirty economy
It might also be worth noting that the weapons of war in Africa are, in the main, supplied from western nations and that 'aid' programs as they stand result in some countries (notably Zimbabwe - formerly the Rhodesia of Cecil Rhodes)are actively running their economies into the ground as a short cut to receiving foreign donations
'tis truly fucked up - even more so to see Bono et al (but mostly the major labels) profiteering from the conscience and guilt of the underinformed around the world who use an iPod fix as their way to block out the truth
because they think they can run stuff better than it's being run at the moment. they may become disillusioned and greedy, but it fucks me right off when they are spoken of like a separate breed of people who are just out for themselves.
on a Rhodes Schoalarship ? - there's a fair few of them
surely they know something useful about the rape of Africa by colonial morons and the debt WE owe THEM
feeling guilty about things done by one's ancestors?
can fuck right off.
because of the slave trade (and to a great extent the UK too)
and it's not just guilt about one's ancestors - the doctrine of technical and moral superiority STILL reigns supreme - how much do you actually know about Cecil Rhodes ex_cynic?
i was just making a slightly related point.
not thinking you're superior to africans is different from having to feel guilty about actions over which you, as an individual, had absolutely no influence.
three notable scholarship students in the 60s
R. James Woolsey - head of CIA 1993-1995
Wesley K. Clark - Supreme Allied Commander, NATO 1997-2000
"There has been some controversy over the original aim of the scholarships, as Rhodes held what many believe today to be racist opinions about the superiority of the Anglo race, and his intention was to use the scholarships to educate future foreign leaders in Britain so that they could help spread British influence when they returned to their home countries.
In his will, he left his money for the establishment of a so-called secret society, that would enable Britain to rule the entire productive world. The exact words are as follows:
'To and for the establishment, promotion and development of a Secret Society, the true aim and object whereof shall be for the extension of British rule throughout the world, the perfecting of a system of emigration from the United Kingdom, and of colonisation by British subjects of all lands where the means of livelihood are attainable by energy, labour and enterprise, and especially the occupation by British settlers of the entire Continent of Africa, the Holy Land, the Valley of the Euphrates, the Islands of Cyprus and Candia, the whole of South America, the Islands of the Pacific not heretofore possessed by Great Britain, the whole of the Malay Archipelago, the seaboard of China and Japan, the ultimate recovery of the United States of America as an integral part of the British Empire, the inauguration of a system of Colonial representation in the Imperial Parliament which may tend to weld together the disjointed members of the Empire and, finally, the foundation of so great a Power as to render wars impossible, and promote the best interests of humanity. ' "
thanks. what relevance does this have for the attitudes of politicians in the present day towards the developing world, though? not being funny, just asking you to join up the gaps a bit more. i'm a bit slow today.
and there's a huge list of notable recipients, the vast majority of whom are less controversial than the three you highlighted.
i don't even know what we're arguing. someone help me out?
live8 was supposed to be an awareness raising event - it raised awareness of the Kaiser Cheifs and Razorlight when it should have been raising awareness of colonialism and the disproportianate history of tyranny that the so-called 3rd world has been subjected to
but what would taking the angle you suggest actually achieve? Unless done really cleverly, it could easily cause resentment rather than a positive outcome.
about the way to effectively communicate these complicated issues to the masses - but I'm fairly sure that Robbie Williams or Madonna prancing about onstage isn't going to do it
I'd probably suggest that there needs to be an overhaul of education in general and an engagement of the public at large in the deeper political questions
I have some ideas about how this might be achieved but they're not really relevant to a music board thread
It's certainly a vastly complicated issue
i miss jarvis :'(
In case you have trouble with the link Jarvis has moved to
as he's about to laucnh his website