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is it because you had a shitty childhood and got all emo?
i had a great childhood.
is that why i still like metal?
kids often have questionable taste. so if you like dodgy metal when you're a kid and don't look any further for decent metal, you're bound to grow out of it.
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Drowning Pool are my favourite band of all time.
Whatever their lead singer was called, RIP.
Big Fat Redneck Man.
don't take dave's name in vein
he's dead you cunt
you are so disrespectful
that's so bad
you big kid :-p
i need a crash course in being a troubled teen
then i can listen To FOLK!!!
folk is shit
the people are always so miserable
always seem to be angry and frustrated. when will you grow your hear so you can mosh?
Angry music resonates strongly with angry young men. Then they get laid and stop being so uptight and develop emotionally and listen to other music that's a bit more complex.
Most of the time.
shame! one day!
the queen of the troubled teens.
that'd be ace.
someone has already done that.
is a very teenaged trait.
pointless posturing behind a keyboard wearing stupid clothes?
Good point Raz!
Or just metal?
Because I'll never grow out of heavy music. I certainly hope I don't. I'd be boring as hell.
and yes. you're right.
why would you have to swap metal for folk?? can't you like both?
look at in flames!
You can be the most close-minded ignoramus sometimes.
You go on and on and fucking on about electronic music - a genre possibly even more niche than metal - and expect people to 'get' it, and then you make wankerish remarks like this because you don't like that genre.
Every now and then, I see a glimpse of the Brainlove of yore, the Brainlove that was enemy No.1 of DiS.
metal ain't niche
apparently they had a whole 3 day metal festival for 65,000 people a day sometime recently???
than pop or straight up rock.
this is the most pedantic comment ever.
i love metal
I was totally into metal throughout my late teens. And very angsty angry bla blah. Grew out of the anger. Grew out of the music. Lots of metal taps into that adolescent-style anger. I'm not saying the entire genre goes obsolete for manyone over 20. But I still say there's some truth in what I say.
did you read the body of the opening message?
or just read the subject and thought you'd just do your usual pointless BLAH
You are not one to talk about pointlessness Raz.
You talk absolute shit on here 24/7 and seem to think you're funny.
i started going to work every day and by the time i got home i didn't fancy listening to music that was the aural equivalent of being slapped around the head :D
only women don't like being slapped around the head!
they fucking love it. stupid bitches.
it's still an escape though, innit.
it's a stimulating genre in that you feel pretty pumped and energetic after listening to it.
i'm no metalhead, but i really enjoy fucking going for it sometimes, and raz will attest to my appreciation for a large portion of his listening.
conversely, i love a twatload of what brainlove listens to, for different reasons.
fuck it, i just love music.
quote of the day
it was your usage of the word 'pumped'
pump it real good
it's more that i'd be exhausted and anything heavy would just give me a headache :D
then you'll really know what it's like to be a woman
but then the irony stopped being funny.
It was really shit metal though, so it couldave been that too.
And all the pricks that i knew that were metal heads put me off it. Not that all people who like metal are pricks.
and the cathouse. If you live in glasgow youll know what im talking about. Its really really funny.
i don't hang out with metallers
horrible bunch of cunts
Just that some metal heads that I knew were also cunts.
But then they grew out of their metal phase and went all emo, whilst remaining at the same level of cuntishness as before.
Conclusion: If you like any type of music at all; you are a cunt.
The Shins was probably much worse because I was there.
i no if u cum to download i will cry lol
that was last weekend
Are shy, calm people like me, who have no piercings, no tatoos, no bizarre haircuts, but just love the music.
I now throw up a point of contention- heavy music has thrown up the most original, thrilling and inventive music of the past decade.
It's true, you know.
ACNE-ridnst teenage boys with stupidly long hair (that they have straightened)doing themost ridiculous mosh ever.
It's all filled with emos now, though, and they form a pit and then growl at anyone who goes in it :D
All the guys I know who are into metal haven't grown out of it (obviously), so I really have no clue.
i think people get into metal as teens as its rebellious music. however my mum was always playing stuff like Sabbath, so when i was 13-14 my 'rebel' music was stuff like sigur ros and shoegaze bands
\m/, and so on.
I don't think I've ever grown out of metal, but I grew tired of my metalhead friends who simply rejected anything else musically. I'm guessing this happens to quite a few people therefore they don't associate themselves with metal as a social thing.
Sometimes metal people can be musically insular to the exclusion of everything else. I noticed this definitely.
cos that doesn't apply to every genre DURR
good one john
your daily mail's in the post, tory boy
Ever the heel-snapper.
Not that you will receive any point I make in any meaningful way, because you're too busy trying to be a smartarse, but:
I noticed it even more in metal than other stuff, definitely. Because when people get tattoos and piercings and build themselves into a physical identification of their music taste, I guess it's hard to suddenly switch lane. There are always these older guys who still have the long hair and still have the Jack Daniels obsession and tobacco-brown fingertips etc etc
Although Brian from The $hit was like a reformed metaller. He used to cross out his Marilyn Manson tattoo out with a marker before going onstage.
This is where we argue about Marilyn Manson, probably.
in other people!
Before I dropped it a bit in favour of other stuff, now I love it again. Thanks Raz.
i got a girlfriend and realised i had tons of great friends and stopped feeling so angry at the world
that it's far more fun to be a silent, miserable misanthropist. sarcastic bite > anger any daye of the week. LOLLLL!!!!!!!!!
Generally, when their balls drop and they discover girls.
e.g. Jim Noir
Its like Pokemon. Except, not brilliant.
I am not anti-metal.
I was just trying to answer the question.
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It's not particularly funny, or accurate, or even that bothersome. It's like. A bit of a nothing post.
would never have guessed til now
is that someone said you looked like a tory?
and it just fitted so well with your daily mail mindset.
Where do you find it all??
I'm not a big metaller and I've never had a metal phase. But on the other hand I love the odd foray into it and I guess it makes me highly predictable to say this, but I absolutely love Metallica and going to Metallica gigs and there are a few others.
But there are two reasons for me, in answer to Raz's question:
1) It does, undeniably, have an image problem. The black T-shirts (almost always black) with the terrible artwork. The slogans/tours with the silly names - you know ... "Death On The Road 2005" or whatever - there's all the stuff about death, zombies and yet metallers are (by my experience) among the nicest, most level headed people - in Bristol I drink in rock pubs by choice. But the fact remains that most of the imagery has so little bearing on any element of reality (and I believe in music as escapism as much as anyone) that it really doesn't "work" so well the older you get. And I'm as far from a fashion guru as you can get but all those T-shirts just look silly after a while... and the crap I got from friends the year I went to Monsters of Rock with a non-black shirt...
2) Musical conservatism. Talk to most rockers (from my experience) and there can be a real closed-mindedness. Don't like something? Bottle the act. Boo at it. Remember the Daphne and Celeste at Reading thing? It's not so much that they were terrible (they were), but everyone took it so seriously - they only had a 15 minute slot for goodness sake and people were wearing T-shirts proclaiming that they should die. Kirk Hammett of Metallica wanted to take Suede (at their peak) on tour with them. I'd have loved that, but he said he knew as well as anyone that their fans would have crucified them.
So yeah... perhaps if metal could drop the isolationist stance a bit (and no, that's not the same as 'conforming') then a lot of people whose ears are closed to it might actually pay attention to how much good stuff there is. And in an ideal world it would work the other way round too.
I've just re-read what I put and I haven't phrased it as well as I'd have liked (it sounds a bit more 'sweeping' than I'd have liked), but I hope you get my gist.
That would have been awesome.
a lot of metal is too one sided. Much of it is just conveying anger and similar, and that gets boring unbelievably quickly. The musical bits are quite same-y too, often relying on intensity, speed and technical bravado, or so it seems to me as a bit of an outsider.
I used to listen to heavier stuff, but I think my interest in it peaked with Deftones' "White Pony", which is a gloriously diverse metal-y album. Or maybe In Flames and Opeth, as they know how to sing sing sing.
As for metal fans, a lot of the ones I've met in recent years have been some of the most stubbornly conservative people. "I like everything. As long as it's METHUL!" was the line I was served over and over and over again. Which is a bit silly, to be honest. I may not be the most open-minded of music lovers, but at least I'll listen to new things.
the raz versus brainlove action, dis should definately be more about the bitching. my one friend who was really into metal kinda grew out of it because it's an illeloquent way to express emotions that other genres like post-rock express in more subtle ways, which i guess is what you look for as you 'grow'.
as an adult. The themes of the majority of heavy metallers are aimed at pricking the emotional vulnerabilities of adolescent boys. Never about the complexities of love and romance or even sex, metallers sing about fucking. And so on. That KISS song sums it up perfectly, "I want to rock 'n roll all night long and party every day." And as a teenager you say to yourself, "Yeah, that's what I want!"
Now, I'm not saying their isn't a time and place for this sort of thing, but the vast majority of metallers simply regurgitate the same haggard idea over and over again, and set it to a staccato firing guitar licks. Personally, I happen to love the way the Icarus Line do it, and pretty much hate the way Children of Bodom do it. Hate the way Megadeath do it. Hate the way .... does it. In other words, the Icarus Line and Trail of Dead and a few others present their version of hard rock in a clever way. Speed metal bands tend to blur to the point I cannot tell the difference between one song from another nor one band from another. It's the same shit sound. And at the risk of sounding like my parents, it's loud for the sake of being loud and where's the MUSIC?
Heavy metal is the musical equivalent of a horror comic book. It's the musical equivalent of professional wrestling. And if that sort of schtick is your thing then well and good for you, but I prefer my music to be made by grown-ups....OK, drug addled, irresponsible, and egocentric - yeah, sure - but grown-ups nevertheless.
not necessarily because i was particularly troubled.
then i had a few different phases, but in the last few years i have seemed to settle down with liking a bit of most things.
if you have 'grown out' of metal then you will come back to it. it will take its place alongside everything else.
about certain kinds of metal, but what about the smarter end of the metal spectrum?
i must confess in the past two years i've somewhat lost touch with what's going on with metal at the moment, but i'm still pretty partial to it. what about stuff like ISIS, which can be deliciously heavy when it wants to be, but isn't just about the screamyscreamy teen angst? really liked ephel duath when they came out too, and their stuff was textural, varied, mature and challenging, about as far from stroppy teen angst metal as you can get.
metal doesn't have to be about adolescent strops/fantasies, and it doesn't have to just focus on the volume. certainly one does/should grow out of that stuff at some point, but there's way more heavy stuff out there beyond it.
when i was younger, then i got into techno and realised that the music was better, harder, faster and more complex. And the general music community surrounding it was more affable, articulate, inspired and inspiring.
Also, they had less "look at me doing my death vocals" singers
Unless we can get into a musicologist debate on the exact chord progressions, time signatures etc, etc used in the songs?
When I get home in the evenings, I'm generally knackered and want something lighter to chill out to.
Drunken weekends are when I break out the heavier stuff.
Also, I read Kerrang! and Rocksound when I was younger. I never progressed to any "mature" metal mags/zines, if such a thing exists. The music sites/mags that I read now and enjoy tend to be about indie, for whatever reason
i agree with 99% of what he said. why it caused such offence is beyond me.
it's blatantly obvious that metal is on the large part, enjoyed by angsty teens who release by listening to fucking loud angry noise - you can apply the same to pop music being mostly listened to by teenage girls, listening to songs about love blah blah blah encapsulating what they yearn for in life (possibly) so...
attacking brainloves own love of electro or whatever is completely irrelevant and childish.
fuck off and read the daily mail
Commercial metal (and, thus, 99% of the metal most people hear and fair-weather teen metallers enjoy) is just pop with shouting for the hormone-addled teenagers. When the hormones settle, the need for metal dies down.
You still like metal, Raz, because you listen to the more intelligent stuff, which has more to offer than just a load of old shouting.
it's because i'm an emo :(
i wear stripy shirts and hang out in shopping centres :(true):
He hangs outside Topshop.
Metal? Cuz they're fucking ace!
...and I like. Metal was mostly shitty LA glam poodle-rock when I was growing up, but it's really good now. I think metallers are MUCH more broad-minded than they used to be about what they will listen to. Having bands like Sikth, Dillinger and Dresden Dolls(!) playing at Download in recent years, and the huge success of frankly odd bands like System and Deftones is testimony to that kind of broadening of taste.
So, I grew into metal, I suppose...
Incidentally, accusing someone of being a Tory in order to rubbish them in case of a disagreement is a fine 1970/1980s rhetorical technique, and I am very pleased to see its long overdue revival right here.
you suck, Brainlove! Sorry, I meant to shout that at you when I saw you supporting Kid Carpet, but I was too polite.
because i was too busy being ace.
that you have lost none of your effrontery, sir:) rock on!
talk some more crap pls
I hate myself for not going.
...I thought they might get a hard time, but everyone loved 'em. 'Metal' today - strange and wonderful...
Roadrunner signed them! I think most Metal fans are very open minded about music, and when crossover acts like DD come out, it really can open them up to a whole new scene.
it is a bit much to accuse "metallers" of being conservative these days. even as far back as 1994, Nine Inch Nails were selling millions of albums to metallers that were distinctly un-metal...
When the acne cleared up.
It seemed pretty pointless after that.
Just kidding... Tastes just broaden as you get older. Would I as a 16 year old Skid Row listening youngster have appreciated Tom Waits?
Metal's not really going anywhere as a genre either, is it? just mining the same vein Slayer and Metallica set up twenty years ago. Tool and the Deftones broadened the scope a bit, delivered the goods... In general terms Metal is still limited as a genre, which is why crossover bands tend to do well.
After all this time where is the great British metal band to pick up from where Iron Maiden tailed off in the early nineties?
it's infantile and intellectually retarted macho bullshit.
Way to go
I heart metal.
and it also makes you murder people and burn down churches.
that this thread is in no way a setrious question.
its a -raz- thread, i shoulda realised earlier.
good one guardian boy...
i prefer G2 boy
i must be you!
no. i have taste :p
nah, 'metal' is too heavy for me. too much chugg, not enough wah. you know what i mean.
people that like shit music generally would have opted to listen to shit metal.
ok, what is good metal? please provide examples and evidence of your workings out.
wait, the last bit is for maths...
no one grows out of Black Sabbath.
although i guess thats 'heavy metal'
it's not metal?
i presumed you were talking about bands like Metallica, where a change into emo might be more gradual, at least considering St Anger.
i was just singling out Black Sabbath, and trying to give a reason for doing so