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NME have a lot to answer for

justgirl [Edit] [Delete] 90 replies 17:03, 12 April '04
Warning, silly pointless rant alert.....

Is it just me that thinks NME ridiculously overrate bands? The whole new 'rock revolution' bands that they can't stop raving about, they all sound exactly the same as the next 'rock revolution' band. And most of them don't seem to be pushing new boundaries, as it's all been done before. I admit that there are a few bands that are different and have potential, but the rest just blur into one droney noise.
I know some of you will just say don't buy the mag or the bands music if I don't like it. And no I don't go out and buy albums because NME say it's good, but it is funny to read what they think about these 'rock revolution ' bands. And what is worse is that people will go buy what the mag recommends because they are told that the music's cool, and they don't look further than NME for new music. I have a friend who thinks that if the band aren't in NME, there not worth anything. It winds me up.

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  • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

    I stopped reading NME in the 90's.The standard of writing became awful.The cycle of them hyping a band onto us,then denouncing them,in a 'who in their right mind bought that crap' way,became about a month or less.The hyping and subsequent slating of Gay Dad was when I pulled the plug on buying it.I kept a lot of old ones,for the amusement value of the reviews,Half Man Half Biscuit,Primus,etc,being given 1 star reviews on the same page as the 4 and a half star reviews of Bon Jovi,etc.No doubt some people on here will agree with those ratings,or come on to denounce every other band in the world as shit,apart from their own,or whoever's on their hifi at the moment.
    cadd @haveyouforgotten | 12 Apr '04, 19:08 | X
    • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

      ******The game of NME and its chosen bands: *******

      1) NME takes an interest in band.
      2) Band gives good copy, e.g. interviews in which they assert themselves to be the most important act in the world right now/ever. This is a path well-trodden, e.g. Suede, Manics, Oasis, and now by fools like Razorlight and The Ordinary Boys.
      3) NME picks up this line and runs with it, lauding band as best new thing ever - if band can be pushed as part of a scene, so much the better.
      4) NME begins to make fun of band via the odd sarcastic remark/picture caption/whatever.
      5) NME launches full-frontal assault on band, calling them rubbish, irrelevant, boring, embarrassing.
      6) Band tells anyone who will listen that the NME are all vicious guttersnipes, band doesn't need NME and never did.

      ******************End of game******************

      The funniest thing about NME is the vitriol its writers pour upon bands that have succeeded without their patronage. Just fancy, 15 years down the line and still hurling peurile insults at The Levellers, a band who racked up one platinum and a couple of gold albums, numerous chart singles and headlined Glastonbury, all with an NME approval rating of zero.

      NME: it's good for a laugh, ain't it?
      DeadSeaNavigator @cadd | 12 Apr '04, 20:28 | X
      • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

        Yeah, that cycle probably sums it up. it's the same as celebrities in the tabloids, build them up then knock them down.

        in music, it's perfectly understandable really... if i'd been writing i would by now have gone through the whole cycle twice over with franz ferdinand... and i know im not the only one.

        everyone wants to go against prevailing opinion if they can. and any music journalist wants to tell people about new music. so, really, if i followed this argument through, the point would be: people who rant about NME being shit and hypocritical, suffer from exactly the same mentality as the journalists writing for the paper.

        and lets face it, thats what NME is basically for now. while friday-hmv-shopping man and half-day-on-friday schoolkids, may buy it to hear about what new music there is, most people only read the thing to disagree with it.


        So far as the writing goes... it's much better now than a year or two ago. the only problem is that there isnt enough of it.
        i think the main features are a bit too long. and there should be loads of short opinion peice type things. and going back to having more live reviews would be nice as well.
        ImageChange @DeadSeaNavigator | 14 Apr '04, 04:53 | X
      • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

        NME haven't leeched onto Razorlight have they? Bit late aren't they? They've been big on here for ages now.

        I am begginning to worry about this band as 'Stumble and Fall' and 'Rip it Up' don't live up to the early amazing potential shown in 'Rock and Roll Lies' and the b sides to 'Stumble and Fall' unlike any previous b sides (all of which are stunners) are all shite. I'll reserve true judgement til the album, anyone know when it's out?
        Jared @DeadSeaNavigator | 14 Apr '04, 11:47 | X
        • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

          "NME haven't leeched onto Razorlight have they? Bit late aren't they?"

          Mmmm no. NME was first onto Razorlight - no doubt helped by the fact their manager is an ex-NME journalist.
          shadyadie @Jared | 14 Apr '04, 13:24 | X
          • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

            Oh well, shows you how much I know about the NME! I haven't read it in years, I'm well and truly clean...


            Jared @shadyadie | 14 Apr '04, 14:00 | X
          • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

            Haha! I didn't know that, yet I'm the least surprised person ever upon finding out now...
            Is it the same ex-NME-journo (dep ed, even) who was doing huge gushing whole-page reviews of Starsailor early on, while he was their manager also?
            The_Kidz @shadyadie | 15 Apr '04, 16:16 | X
            • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

              No, that's James Oldham.
              Roger Morton is Razorlight's manager. He also manages Dogs (not the ones who die in hot cars).
              shadyadie @The_Kidz | 15 Apr '04, 16:48 | X
              • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                ah, so it's not Oldham then. I presume all the highly rum sorts on his Loog Recordings label are still enjoying much favourable coverage though. Roger Morton eh, the Old Boys Network still runs tings at Kings Reach Tower then...

                Though having said that - there's NME's position on the Darkness.... yet, one their first breaks as such in the capital a few years back was from patronage and support by the organisers & punters of Uncle Bob's Wedding Reception - a club co-run by long-time NME news scribe/editor Jody Thompson. Odd...
                The_Kidz @shadyadie | 16 Apr '04, 17:58 | X
                • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                  Ha ha. I think I've just answered my own question there actually.....NME "old BOYS network"...

                  <i>plus ca change...</i>
                  The_Kidz @The_Kidz | 16 Apr '04, 18:01 | X
                  • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                    i am html god :P
                    The_Kidz @The_Kidz | 16 Apr '04, 18:03 | X
  • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

    Unfortunately, you are very right. I still end up reading the thing in tescos every week, although i have stopped myself buying it thankfully.

    I can just about handle the whole overhyping thing, since the bands they target usually have some merit. But the actual quality of the articles is shocking. Fair enough, it needs to be entertaining, but the only informative part of the mag is the tour adverts. The last couple of times i bought it the actual cover article took barely a double page; less than the average Libertines coverage per issue.

    polko @FUNKY-MONKEY | 14 Apr '04, 02:28 | X
    • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

      *puts hand up*

      I quite liked Terris. Not the best band ever as NME tried to claim but also not the worst. Without the incredible amount of hype they received I think they would have gone on to be quite successful.

      Unfortunately its not in NMEs nature to give a band time to develop. It has to be great now or it gets dropped. They dont seem to appreciate that a bands best work tends to come at least 2 albums into a career.

      NME killed Terris!!!! BASTARDS!!!!!
      crosbysleftear @Argel | 15 Apr '04, 19:03 | X
      • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

        >>a bands best work tends to come at least 2 albums into a career.

        hmm... *not convinced*
        ImageChange @crosbysleftear | 15 Apr '04, 21:42 | X
    • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

      Ah, the old NME rant...I've done it on this board so many times now I won't repeat it, except to say again that I was a weekly NME reader for a long, long time. No matter how much I slate them, they were solely responsible for my discovery of some of my absolute favourite bands: Spiritualized, Joy Division, the White Stripes, the Manics, and (of course) Radiohead - as well as several others - were introduced to me by NME and NME alone.

      Over the last few years it's decreased in size and diminished in thickness yet has still managed to become much more expensive. It's dominated by graphics now and their reviews are little more than caption-length. Last I checked they now only review 3 singles a week. And the quality of criticism is dreadful - for a long time I defended them on this front, even with The Strokes and so on, but I just can't physically bring myself to say a positive word about such junk any more.

      I know it's always been a hype-machine to an extent, but at least it used to have a sense of humour, a wryly disguised eye for what was actually serious quality...please don't die on me, NME, come back...
      Smileadelic | 16 Apr '04, 17:23 | X
      • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

        but the guardian on a friday is better
        tommyboo @broken-windows | 16 Apr '04, 18:39 | X
        • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

          I say KILL THE NME.....who's with me!!?
          Hayward | 16 Apr '04, 20:40 | X
          • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

            Too right FUNKY-MONKEY, that would be an ace idea
            justgirl @FUNKY-MONKEY | 18 Apr '04, 17:30 | X
          • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

            If only we had 300k and the experience to do so.
            sean @FUNKY-MONKEY | 18 Apr '04, 17:35 | X
            • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

              I recently had that epiphany that everyone must get at my age... that NME is written for people ten years younger than me. I should have realised this when they started their 'NME's top ten ringtones' chart...

              Plus, what's wrong with Conor McNicholas' face?? Saw him on telly a few weeks ago, I almost started crying.
              kovacs @sean | 18 Apr '04, 20:59 | X
            • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

              W'd just get tired and old and turn into it.
              fullerov @sean | 18 Apr '04, 21:03 | X
              • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                think shed 7,

                they loved them in the mid 90s, now it's uncool to like them. fck that, I like Shed 7.
                stubryce @fullerov | 18 Apr '04, 22:52 | X
                • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                  Up until recently, according to NME, it was uncool to like Moz's solo stuff. Now the cunts can't bum him enough.

                  Morrisey's solo career is as good as his work with the Smiths if not better and I won't listen to any posh cunt, nepotism reliant, london based, pseudo-erudite twat (ie any mainstream music journo- NME employed or otherwise) that wants to tell me different. Unlike NME, DiS refuses to choose between style and substance and remains both popular and underground simultaneously, that could change if it turned into a national weekly print magazine. I don't really want that to happen...
                  Jared @stubryce | 19 Apr '04, 15:55 | X
          • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

            NME wouldn't die and DiS Weekly wouldn't sell enough to keep it afloat. There's talk of WH Smith being taken over at the minute, Smiths is now refered to as a 'legacy' name ie. one that is really still alive because it's seen as always being there, Sainsburys is much the same. It has its competitors, many of whom sell more of the same products. NME is a legacy product, the history associated with it still means it attracts advertisers and the odd member of the reading public. With the fall of so many music and style magazines, I can't see anyone being able to raise the cash necessary to get going and survive. It's a great idea but DiS already has the perfect medium in the form of the 'net.
            DrFurry @FUNKY-MONKEY | 19 Apr '04, 06:02 | X
            • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

              yeah, keep it with t'net! if there was a DiS magazine we'd have to pay to read it, and thats not democratic. dont forget the message boards are the heart and soul of the site, and t

              The legacy name point is a good one. I hadnt really thought of it with reference to sainsbury's because i'd been thinking in temrs of their recent decline. without the economiess of scale of the other major supermarkets, i suppose your right. maybe the question should be why havent they declined further...
              ImageChange @DrFurry | 19 Apr '04, 20:07 | X
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                Mystic Meg moment: what will die first, Sainsburys or NME? :)
                DrFurry @ImageChange | 19 Apr '04, 20:18 | X
                • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                  why does the nme smell like piss?
                  beautiful-freak @DrFurry | 24 Jun '04, 21:12 | X
          • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

            oh dear starfunny!
            i think the generally concensus on DiS is that NME is a bag of bollocks! :-0
            however - what are they alternatives?!
            BANG was good but that has vanished!
            and so was X-Ray - and that has vanished as well: i personal think Q is majoritively crap and don't get me started on Kerrang!!
            However, i have been pondering the 'piss issue' and wonder if they purposely wee on the nme in the printing press stages in order to give it that 'authentic rock and roll' ambience? :-)
            beautiful-freak @starfunny | 24 Jun '04, 21:47 | X
            • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

              no i don't know you - i don't think anyway!
              do you know me?!! :-0

              what did you say on audiojunkies board ages ago? bout the wee, or the 'crap alt.s to nme, or ?

              great taste btw... :-) cooper indeed are sublime
              hey this is quite a girly DiS 2nite isn't it? what with all the 'big butch men' watching the football!! :-)
              makes a nice change! we could say anything we wanted and they wouldn't be here to retaliate!! :-0
              beautiful-freak @starfunny | 24 Jun '04, 22:07 | X
              • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                yeah - i totally agree -
                x-ray and bang were really good:
                and it was bang that actually really got me into the coopers who are supreme so i thank the dearly departed Bang (r.i.p.) for its guidance! :-)

                yeah - the once that weep at film are the best kind! sensitive and kind indeed! :-)
                although i must admit i do like football but i'm not watching as my brother wants to chitty chitty bang bang which is a pile of bollocks!!!
                ref. to the thread 'Shitty shitty bang bang'!!! :-)

                so what albums would you recommend to me, and give them a 'out of ten' score in a nme style so that we don't drift totally from the point of this thread and then anoy all the 'men' when they return!! :-)
                beautiful-freak @starfunny | 24 Jun '04, 22:30 | X
                • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                  hmmm?
                  beautiful-freak @Princess_Ruthiee | 24 Jun '04, 22:54 | X
                  • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                    whats going on?
                    i don't understand
                    - the boys were kicking off about slipknot and the maggots and now us ladies are at it?!!! :-0
                    nooo....we must stand as a united front! :-0
                    beautiful-freak @beautiful-freak | 24 Jun '04, 22:58 | X
                    • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                      oh right! :-)
                      sorry!
                      slow computer + slow brain = stoopid girl!! :-)
                      a band - brilliant: name, influences, etc...
                      beautiful-freak @Princess_Ruthiee | 24 Jun '04, 23:20 | X
                      • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                        yeah - shut up korn boy!!! :-0

                        okay - who is nice within the world of rock?
                        hmmm... Benedict Gautrey of tctc
                        oh and also the funcky monkey - i must say that otherwise he'll kill me if i don't!! :-) and its true anyway!

                        i prefer Joey in the knot btw.!!! :-)
                        beautiful-freak @beautiful-freak | 24 Jun '04, 23:24 | X
                        • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                          immature my ASSSSS! :-0
                          beautiful-freak @beautiful-freak | 24 Jun '04, 23:25 | X
                        • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                          indeed -
                          you might regret it if he happens to read DiS in his free time!! :-0
                          beautiful-freak @starfunny | 24 Jun '04, 23:32 | X
                        • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                          bang started off ok, but quickly descended into a desperate attempt to acquire readers. reviewing will young after around six issues smacks somewhat of desperation, as does full page articles on britney spears. also nicked a few too many ideas from the nme. x-ray was just a big pile of bollocks. xfm affiliated, obviously had an agenda and the cds were rubbish. it's enough to make you take out a subscription with the wire and listen to nothing but the sound of someone sharpening a pencil for the rest of your life.
                          something_enigmatic @beautiful-freak | 24 Jun '04, 23:33 | X
                          • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                            gosh -
                            someone has their panties in a twist!!
                            recomend a good music rag/mag to me then?!!! :-0 say kerrang, and i kill you!!! :-0
                            say nme, and you defy the whole point of this post!!!.................
                            beautiful-freak @starfunny | 24 Jun '04, 23:37 | X
                            • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                              that above rant wasn't directed at you my dear :-) - was at the enigmatic person :-)
                              The Fly? were can i get that?
                              x
                              beautiful-freak @starfunny | 24 Jun '04, 23:40 | X
                              • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                                we have Kavern here and the men in there are all old and smelly - no flirting there!!! :-0 yacky!
                                beautiful-freak @Princess_Ruthiee | 24 Jun '04, 23:48 | X
                                • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                                  depends what you're into. rock sound have pretty good cds, if you're into the whole post-hardcore/emo thing and they cover reasonably obscure bands. mojo is good if you're into retro fetishising. i have a soft spot for kerrang! purely because they sometimes have articles by stevie chick and ben myers. loose lips sink ships is good and i imagine plan b is going to be pretty good as well, when i finally get around to purchasing it. the wire have kickass free cds and decent writers, but much of what they cover is pretty obscure. other than that the uk music press pretty much blows.
                                  something_enigmatic @beautiful-freak | 25 Jun '04, 22:23 | X
                                  • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                                    Yeah the Wire has amazing design...I'd buy that mag for the design alone!
                                    justgirl @loner | 26 Jun '04, 00:12 | X
                                    • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                                      LOGO magazine, its very good and free. I think it's meant to be nationwide but I can only ever find it in Southampton. I believe a few DIS writers are involved but I can't be sure.

                                      www.logo-magazine.com
                                      don_swayze @justgirl | 26 Jun '04, 14:13 | X
                                      • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                                        NME's featured Modest Mouse before

                                        last century, I'll grant you.... ;)
                                        The_Kidz @savant | 28 Jun '04, 11:39 | X
                                      • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                                        it's not so much that they change their opinion alot. it's that they don't have an opinion. every season/issue brings a new trend, a new fad to try and sell to the readership. they glorify an idealised 'rocknroll' that is no more than drugged up, lets pretend to be keith richards, unartistic idiocy. the journalism is cliched, lazy and unimaginative. it's appaling.
                                        since-last-summer @my_new_skin | 28 Jun '04, 15:24 | X
                                        • Re: NME have a lot to answer for

                                          haha. and yet......pretty much 90% of what/who that rag has covered in the last 3 or so years has been purely (or at least majorly) based upon image, with the content an afterthought if they manage to stop getting all wet for a sec over their threads/haircuts/bandname/interview-bragging bs.....

                                          I think matt bellamy's increased musical exploration of his own arsehole and apocalyptic hystrionics gave NME an infinitely more sellable Godspeed with [vaguely] similar subject matter, so there's little need for them to bother with em anymore, sadly, more than 30 words of glib lipservice at best for each new album. And to think their review of "f#a#~" was what actually pointed me in their direction. If that came out today with similar negligable fanfare, you wouldn't see a fucking mention of it in there I'd bet..
                                          The_Kidz @loner | 28 Jun '04, 15:48 | X
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