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Come on- give him a ten. Or I'll get the entire Sinatra clan on your backs.
than them so you should be OK. Frank jr is quite a big lad, though.
sinatra's well shit.
did you like my biog?
I went to see Sinatra the musical the other day so lots of it I'm familiar with.
My fav song is probably That's Life.
And I don't mean the theme tune of toothy Esther Ranson's crazy nighttime show about the ups and downs of British life.
In my exploration of his back catalogue, I have discovered various Sinatra LPs that would appeal to DiS-types. Chris Budget will confirm that later albums like "A Man Alone" and in particular, "Watertown" are as far away from "New York New York" as you can get!
Check out this review of "Water Town", the ultimate DiSer's Sinatra LP:
"Watertown is Frank Sinatra's most ambitious concept album, as well as his most difficult record. Not only does it tell a full-fledged story, it is his most explicit attempt at rock-oriented pop.
Since the main composer of Watertown is Bob Gaudio, the author of the Four Seasons' hits "Can't Take My Eyes Off of You," "Walk Like a Man," and "Big Girls Don't Cry," that doesn't come as a surprise. With Jake Holmes, Gaudio created a song cycle concerning a middle-aged, small-town man whose wife had left him with the kids.
Constructed as a series of brief lyrical snapshots that read like letters or soliloquies, the culminating effect of the songs is an atmosphere of loneliness, but it is a loneliness without much hope or romance -- it is the sound of a broken man. Producer Charles Calello arranged musical backdrops that conveyed the despair of the lyrics.
Weaving together prominent electric guitars, keyboards, drum kits, and light strings, Calello uses pop/rock instrumentations and production techniques, but that doesn't prevent Sinatra from warming to the material.
In fact, he turns in a wonderful performance, drawing out every emotion from the lyrics, giving the album's character depth." ~ Stephen Thomas Erlewine, All Music Guide
for not writing his own choons? julie burchill actually made sort of a good point about this, by saying that expecting all singers to be songwriters is like expecting actors to all write their own plays. the analogy breaks down fairly swiftly, but it did make me think.
but give me some originality over a great voiced guy singing 'standards', however expressively, any day.
make allowances for my youth and educate me!
I your stance is entirely wrong. To take this attitude is nonsensical and hugely restrictive. Prior to The Beatles etc, song-writing was a separate industry from performance. The fact that the Beatles wrote their own songs was totally new and unusual. It set a precedent that people still allow to govern their listening habits to this day. do you really dislike everything that came before The Beatles??
Burchill is correct. How exactly does the analogy she cites break down? A great song or a great play is great regardless of how new it is or who it was written by! Can originality only be measured in terms of song-writing? Is interpretation and excellence in performance really so irrelevant? To "decide" to dislike an artist because of some pre-judged rule you choose to adhere to is a real loss for you.
Sinatra wasn't merely original, he revolutionised the recording industry forever! His interpretive style and phrasing is still influencing singers to this day. His originality is to be found in his singing and I don't see how this power is in any way lessened by the fact that he did not write.
The best indication of this truth is surely in the fact that one of the greatest popular song-writers, Bob Dylan, is a Sinatra fan and has included several of his tunes in his radio show.
I think you need to listen to some Sinatra, before making your mind up! ;)
Wadda you say?
not really. i adore his slow sad songs and agree with bobby about the interpretation / performance aspect. also the act of choice is just as important as the act of creation. he made not have written the songs - but he decided which ones to sing and so ultimatley dictated the artistic direction of his career. in the end all songwriting is a matter of choice more so than creation. i didn't invent these words that i'm typing but have only made choices about the order they go in.
Don't you think 'Watertown' is WELL DiS?
to ex_cynic in a similar but far less articulate fashion but I thought I'd wait and leave the other BobbyG to do it. Good work other BobbyG.
other BobbyG. *Hugs*