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is the best UK rap album i've ever heard. amaaaaaaaaazing stuff folks. buy buy buy.
This Is My Demo.
Sway is dull as fook.
uk hip hop can fuck right off, it's so self righteous and smug i think it should be shot.
he seemed annoyed. It was funny.
What I've heard so far has been a bit good, I shall check said album out fo sho.
it was sainsburys in islington :D
can't agree with that.
he doesnt fit in with the rest of them at all...doesn't talk about killing people or how hard he is...very intelligent, pretty amazing flow...plus its a self produced album on his own label, which is enough to allow him to be a bit self righteous i guess.
Review in the Stool Pigeon suggested he was a good rapper but not such a great producer. Is that a fair comment? I've heard Flo Fashion and thought it was very funny.
it sounds a bit scrappy but when he's on point, he's damn good. It's a shame that he lets the ball drop and includes a bit of filler towards the end i.e Loose Woose onwards. I didn't like the Eminemish Cartoon violence on Sick World - i found that track a bit grating until the second listen. Overall this is as unpolished as a self-release would be. He had full creative control after all. Sometimes the conceits and ideas fall flat - the worst being the slightly silly skits involving an australian - steve irwin esque character. I really rate Download - for the skittish beats, Flo Fashion is pretty good and the conventional hip hop of Little Derek. His delivery is hit and miss and while I don't think it'll break UK hip hop into the mainstream as a debut,it's a promising start to his career. I'm just not sure how much the UK wants to hear hip hop spun in its own tongue compared to the miles of sub standard US garbage that gets lapped up here.
smug and self righteous at all - well Sway isn't, He seems to just be developing his style and identity on the album. I guess some others are a bit more preachy, see Blak Twang and some are considered lame, skinnyman but I always thought the biggest problem with UK hip hop was that it was never identifiably british? I thought everyone trying to sound like they were from Compton not Croydon pushed kids into just buying US stuff?
it's obsessed with being 'british', by filling every song with shouts to each and every post code, and rapping about chips and tea and big red buses, and yet hip hop as a style of music is inherently american.
grime is the uk version of hip hop, seeing that it's evolved from british forms of music, ie D&B and garage.
uk hip hop still sticks to the usual american hip hop formula, apart from roots manuva some of the time. it's not to say that all uk hip hop is shit - it's possible to make a good record without being completely original.
lewis parker is now producing for ghostface - excellent news.
alot of that is trying to capture their dual identities isn't it and yeah they enforce that idea that thy're from Britain and proud to be british to get away from the wannabe US rapper tag. I often pick up loads of west indian references in manuva and then there'll be those really british ones. Whereas sway has alot of African cultural namechecking/ joke stereotyping in his stuff. Maybe it means UK rap doesn't have much of an identity because it's just borrowing something that's whole heartedly american and trying to establish it's position alongside that with artists having to keep making listeners aware of their identity which limits you I guess when it's things like earl grey and shouting London out on every other upbeat track. Actually outside of London is UK hip hop even in existence? We have a rapper up here named Raw T and i've never heard any of his stuff. I just know mr factory records is managing him or something.
uk hip hop has no identity at all, and when it does it's usually "yes my mum's from jamaica so i am too"
there's loads of uk hip hop from all over the place, but it's mostly in london. occasionally you'll get a really nice beat, but personally i think an english accent isn't the best thing to rap in. it's easier for northerners though, as "glass" and "class" rhyme then.
Things like Dizzee Rascal and Roots Manuva into a seperate genre? Or dismissing them?
I like them considerably more than American Hip Hop, but I don't know enough to split that group down further...
Roots Manuva takes more from dub reggae than most uk rappers, although he still makes songs with US rappers and producers now and then.
personally, the best example of uk hip hop i can think of is the Extra Yard compilation that came out on Big Dada about 3 years ago. but then, they call it "bouncement" there...
i've just heard people like sway countless times over the years, and i'd rather listen to MF Doom or Ghostface than someone sounding like 1994 all over again. well, sway sounds more like 1998 really...
I only saw that pop world thing, and can't remember if i heard his track. I didn't think he had much charisma though...
I wonder if people think besides Manuva - UK hip hop lacks conviction? I've heard Rodney P and I've heard bit and bobs of other stuff but yeah it mostly doesn't grab me. I much prefer grime largely because of the beats and the production feels more inventive and free than on hip hop. sometimes hip hop production sounds soulessly slick and there's not enough jarring and edge there to keep me interested.
Alot of people - well a few on here like Plan B. I like his flow, the lyrics are ott though.
My cousin is heavily into hip hop. Basically he hates Grime now because he says it's just little kids talking about killing people, violence and dragging out petty clashes on record and the raves are never trouble free. My other cousin is saying grime is phasing out in favour of Niche. When I heard Niche it was just UK garage style.
haha I hear them singing about steamed fish and allsorts to show they're west indian heritage, littering stuff with slang i.e two twos - I quite like that though. It's the lack of interesting beats that bother me and the fact that alot of people delivery and flow isn't spectacularly interesting. It's not aggressive, passionate or confrontational enough in sound. But then I haven't thoroughly explored hip hop anyway. The commercial stuff is nearly as far as I go and i'm not bowled over by what I hear but some of it like Sway is pretty entertaining, if not breaking any moulds. Anyway when Sway veers towards grime/garagey style I like him better than the slow jam/groove based stuff. I hate slow jams with a passion, reminds me of soul nation.
but I think I kind of agree with i-deserve about UK Hip-hop, it does just ape US hip hop of about 10 years ago and it's very self righteous in the way that we SHOULD like it because it's british, hurrah for britain! yes let's cheer on the underdog and neglect the fact that it's bland and been done a million times better a million times before. I don't mind roots manuva though, I think he can pretty good.
Grime is brilliant way more interesting because the approach to it is completely different and it doesn't sound forced and contrived in the way that uk hip-hop sometimes does. Mostly because of the fact that it's inherently british due the way it's evolved from UK Garage like i-deserve mentioned further up AND it's not obsessed with it's britishness like it has to prove to the world that isn't just copying an american style.
I think Plan B is dreadful though, I've only heard a few tracks, he was on run the road 2 and the track on there sounded like dashboard confessional mixed with the streets. pants.