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Bit of a masterpiece really, isn't it?
In the top 5 Bad Seeds albums and best since Boatman's Call.
and I listened a fair amount before seeing them live that year. It's still a solid record, but I find their peak stuff more engaging.
I really liked Dig Lazarus Dig too. And Grinderman.
...but that aside I'd say his run from Abattoir Blues/Lyre Of Orpheus up to now, including his soundtrack work, has been pretty incredibly consistent this late in his career.
that mermaid song can do one
And those songs sound even better live.
but sadly have learned not to expect any better from Cave these days. 11 years & counting since his last enjoyable record.
Granted, they're tough acts to follow, but I can never understand why people are so keen to write off artists completely when their latest material fails to replicate past glories - especially when an artist has soared as high as Cave.
I'm far from keen to write him off, I'd love him to make another great album. But seems like he's happy being broadsheet/Mojo fodder, or "Stephen Fry for goths" as David Quantick memorably described him.
I've heard Stephen Fry described as "a stupid person's clever person". Or something similar.
So...according to Quantick, is Cave another stupid person's clever person, or is he "a non-goth's gothic person"?
I'd say that both are unfair.
it's one of his worst albums lyrically and one of the more interesting musically i think. really like the songs that are just weird little noise loops built on top of each other (like 'wide lovely eyes')
that one that starts "we were a match / i love your snatch" or something like that - fucking awful. he's quite misogynistic over all the record actually and it doesn't seem to be cloaked in irony or in character like it could be argued he used to be at least
dig! lazarus! dig! and grinderman 1 are both better though admittedly grinderman 1 is the beginning of the nick cave 'rampant sexism' phase
the film is incredibly cringey and shit as well btw
depends how you define 'rampant' I suppose, it's been there since The Birthday Party though
maybe, i always felt like it was part of the character of the songs though, especially when it was in the context of gangs of highwaymen or ancient greeks or whatever. those cultures were pretty misogynistic
but on this record he's more explicitly being autobiographical, which makes it harder to ignore / rationalise
But I do know that snatch/match line is pretty depressing. I love the album anyway. I really enjoyed the weirdness of the film too. That said, I've always been a bit unsure about Cave's sort of creepy sexgod thing. Is it an act? It feels like an act but it also feels like it's a little too far. Or maybe it's just that he's done it for so long he can't be objective about it.
Now remembering how the Beasties had to apologise for turning into the fratboys they were trying to satirise (or something like that).
I think he's always been #problematic (I stuck a 6" gold blade in the head of a girl, etc etc) but because he's bookish and a bit highbrow he gets a free pass.
yeah it's true
might just be more that talking about this stuff is more common now so it's harder to ignore
i do think when it's put beside violent murders and stuff (and we assume that he doesn't actually want to go around smashing ashtrays on people's heads) it changes the context and makes it more 'a study of masculinity' or whatever tho.