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can someone email him about all the shitty things they've done?
i imagine he probably knows? he's completely clued up AND reads the boards
may as well get this out of the way HI STEWART I AM A VERY BIG FAN AND RESPECT YOUR TASTE IN MUSIC BUT ATP'S DONE SOME BAD STUFF SO THIS ALL MAKES ME FEEL WEIRD
knowing that they've left artists, bands, promoters, venues, suppliers, out of pocket time and time again
'cmon mate, we've learned from past mistakes!'
ATP is thrilled to announce that their second ATP 2.0 festival at Pontins camp in Prestatyn, North Wales is to be curated by comedian and writer Stewart Lee, on 15th - 17th April 2016.
Stewart Lee comments:
“Of all the ATPs I've attended, the 2001 weekend, when Tortoise curated it and laid American free jazz, European improv noise, alternative country rock, alienating stand-up comedy, ambient electronica, Eighties hardcore, Seventies CBGBs nostalgia, smart-arse post punk, Dutch anarcho-jazz and all manner of unexpected cross-currents on curious young people, remains a pivotal point in my musical education. It's a great honour to be allowed to attempt something similar. Bring bucket, spade, swimwear and an open mind.”
Ordinarily curated by musicians, next year’s ATP festival will be curated by ‘acclaimed stand-up and writer’ Stewart Lee, bucking the trend alongside visual artists Matt Groening and The Chapman Brothers who previously curated the event in 2004 and 2010 respectively.
Already set to return in November this year, ATP 2.0 festival is back due to demand from ATP’s long-standing fans, following on from 2000 - 2013’s succession of exceptional ATP holiday camp festivals. April’s Stewart Lee curated ATP 2.0 festival will be held at Pontins camp in Prestatyn, North Wales – a site which benefits from being well-situated to serve ATP’s nationwide and international customer base.
The site benefits from a venue complex with two large-capacity stages, both boasting multiple-tiered seated areas to assist with visibility, as well as a huge selection of on-site activities available open to all attendees. These include an indoor swimming pool, football pitch, basketball and tennis courts, crazy golf course, go-kart track, air hockey, and a large arcade games area. And a beautiful sandy beach-front only a few hundred metres walk away.
More information, including the first wave of artists joining the line-up, will be announced soon.
Extremely limited Tier 1 price Early Bird tickets (at £40 and £30 off Full Price per person) on sale HERE now.
The original boutique festival, All Tomorrow's Parties was founded in 2000 - with Mogwai curating - in the then unusual setting of Pontins Holiday Camp, Camber Sands, UK. Since then the festival has expanded across the globe continuing to set itself apart from large scale corporate events by staying intimate and fan-friendly, whilst influencing countless other festivals along the way. The holiday-camp weekenders offered something that was inimitable in a city, and that many will be excited to continue with. Not just for the nostalgia of the past, but to make the events of the future as memorable and iconic as any previous ATP ever was. Some of the best weekends of ours and our customers lives have taken place in these places. Places so removed from our everyday, busy, city existences. An out of season holiday-camp turned into a temporary town of like-minded music fans.
a revival of This Morning with Richard Not Judy
In the gents at Dingwalls at a Will Oldham / Bill Callahan gig about 20 years ago. He told me the drummer had brain cancer.
He was the guitarist in Giant Sand, the band he started with Howe Gelb. Ptacek died in 1997, aged 46.
never stops going on about him
He will try to get The Fall but they will refuse.
but then MES slags him off later. that's just what he's like i guess.
Guess they need to bolster sales so the first one can go ahead.
Definitely wouldn't consider getting a ticket, loads of red flags on the willwal front, unless they are a new company now
not that that in itself is a problem, but what it suggests about either of these weekends actually happening is
It's like when they announced super cheap Iceland early birds before jabberwocky.
Willwals accounts are overdue, one of the directors has left, credit rating has changed (to be fair dunno in which direction) and has has a first notice of strike off action (don't know what it is but doesn't sound good). They may just be a different company now but still, wouldn't be comfortable giving money to Barry
Reflects quite badly on Stewert Lee. People are still out if pocket for jabberwocky and ATP insult them on twitter
if they were gonna do anything again it would have to be with a completely boring and predictable choice of curator, though
Even more reason to dislike the smug, unfunny prick.
Testing your generic indie dickhead's resolve so cruelly, well played.
even though he may enlist my heroes to tempt me.
Good luck tonight btw RoyHa. I've asked for a video of your batting.
Spent last night watching some weirdly Look Around You style videos of Tendulkar...what could possibly go wrong?
before each ball, so as to note the positions of fielders!
Guided By Voices (in some form)
Barry books Amon Duul 1 on the cheap and then feigns ignorance
will test even the most enthusiastic ATP goer. He will revel in annoying a whole holiday camp full of people.
for the indie points?
good luck stew either way
Dinosaur Jr, De La Soul, stuff like that. I can't see him doing that.
to actually bother with the avant garde at ATP. anything left of Dinosaur Jr., actually.
anything but another line up of 90s US indie nostalgia
Not ATP then
he books Dan and Band of Pricks to play all day Sunday. What then?!
You have to post support for ATP in order to troll
If this were guaranteed to go ahead, I'd probably be keen. Bands will be good. Hope he adds comedy back to the bill too. Grrrr.
don't give in
I know that they failed to pay people but this is a fairly common thing in the unpredictable festival business. Doesnt success of this one make it more likely that they will pay the debtors?
Or have I missed something?
let's all buy tickets to this so they can pay off their debts with the ticket money, and then put on the festival we've paid for with magical fairy money
and have written off massive debts and started over under a new name, leaving all those above with no recourse
they've cancelled and moved several festivals on very short notice because of their own piss-poor organisational skills or poor ticket sales, leaving people out of pocket on flights and hotels and often unable to attend any rescheduled events
they refused to take responsibility for refunds on jabberwocky which left loads of people out of pocket
and perhaps worst of all, they've done all of this with the absolute shittiest attitude. their communication over these issues was abysmal and passive aggressive. it's always someone else's fault and it's poor booboo ATP have been "let down" by everyone else.
generally they've shit on people who supported them and i'm surprised anyone is willing to give them their money anymore.
Was just after a bit more information. I dont know the ins and outs but starting under a new name is fairly normal procedure here doesn't necessarily mean that they don't have to worry about paying their debts.
The rescheduling/canceling festivals 3days in advance is a dick move though. Surely you know if its realistic if you can go ahead before then.
Its not like I plan on going. I've always found there tickets a bit expensive given the quality of the line ups. I find festivals much better when looking abroad.
Well, one of the times (forget which one) they went bust and started another company, they owed, for example, Gigantic £876,716 and See Tickets £749,355.
Of course, I'm sure they've now paid both companies back in full and the reason they're using the up-and-coming TicketTailor.com instead is because of their excellent customer service.
but by all information I have found they are still working with their creditors to try to get the situation resolved. I seriously doubt they will get all their money back.
But starting a new company to buy the assets of the previous company that has gone into voluntary liquidation is pretty standard behavior, not some dodgy financial scheme. It is in fact preferable to not replacing the company where then the creditors have next to no chance of making any of their money back.
That said having done a bit more research it is really clear to me that ATP are terribly organised and regularly fuck up. Screwing up the audience, the bands involved as well as ticking agencies and other groups. Even if they did pay their creditors in full I doubt any large respectable ticket firm would want to work with ATP. I also completely understand why people dont want to buy tickets. The brand has been far to damaged and what happened at Jabberwocky suggests serious financial mismanagement at best.
Yeah I think the whole point is writing off debts so an otherwise viable business can continue, if they continue to pay off debts then they would stray into that unviable area. If they can pay off their debts they wouldn't have been able to dissolve in the first place
Do it repeatedly, leaving a new list of creditors each time, seeking more and more obscure suppliers as no one else will touch you, fail to put on the events you've promised, and then refuse to pay back your customers by insisting that your creditors are actually the ones that owe them money and, well, you start to look a bit like a Ponzi scheme.
Yeah no arguments here. It's just that in the past they made out that they were planning to make good on their debts, I was just pointing out that's not possible, if it got so bad they had to dissolve then to pretend that isn't the case and to limp on with their same flawed business model is pretty irresponsible
ATP should have learned by 2012 and the jabberwocky decibel is completely unacceptable. Money actually disappeared then.
A company goes into liquidation as it cant pay its debts.
A new company is made and buys the brand names from the creditors of the insolvent company. This already means the creditors have been paid something, and means that the new company can use its old brand.
The new company is free of the debt and has no obligation to pay it. Although this would have been the case whether it continued or not. However within such an industry it is normally the case where you will try to address the debts in the liquidated company in order to keep confidence in the market. This is what ATP claims it is doing/going to do anyway.
The only point of boycotting the festival is if you want it to stop trading. Basically its just revenge and has no effect on the people who have lost money. I will also quickly mention other music festivals that have done the same thing:
Camden Crawl, Future Music Festival, Galtres Festival, Play Fest, Leicester Music Festival and The Big Chill (3 years before it finally closed its doors).
God knows how many others I have missed out. This is a huge problem with music festivals. Because many of them are non-profits and dont have many savings. There needs to be tighter legislation to make sure traders, artists and other contractors are paid even if the festival losses money. Yes ATP is possibly one of the bigger, less well organised and disingenuous example but this problem is not just confined to them.
to just be liquidated and isnt starting a new company for the time being.
Don't think boycotting is just revenge, sure it doesn't help creditors get paid, but supporting a company that has showed time and time again will just lead to inevitable bigger debacle in the future and even more people owed money. The Ponzi scheme mentioned is a good analogy they are always counting on future events to pay for present ones, totally unsustainable
ATP (Festivals) have a history of seemingly every large event they put on these in recent years disappointing in some respect and of consistently increasing debts without turnover appearing to be increasing to compensate.
It'd be better for the industry in the long term if Barry stopped kidding everyone and cut his losses rather than consistently putting on loss making events to try and pay people who were owed money last time around.
That they were almost sold out so HURRY and get the last few tickets? Then after a flurry of panic buying they canceled it?
Pretty sure that was the last straw for me.
As I believe Einstein (loosely) said, "Madness is doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results"
they described ticket sales as "healthy" but the event as one that if it went ahead would "kill" the company.
How bad does your financial planning have to be for a healthy event to be so bad that it's going to send you into liquidation?
If the business model isnt working all he is doing by making more festivals is risking getting into another terrible situation.
to a company you think is unethical and/or incompetent
Especially when there's a high likelihood you'll lose that money for no end product.
It is really annoying they have a monopoly on some bands London gigs, really want to boycott them entirely. Really lost respect for Godspeed mogwai et al for continuing to work with these crooks. There are plenty of competent promotors covering the same ground now, atp should give up
While giving press interviews constantly gobbing off at other festivals/bands/paying members of the public
but this has made me unspeakably angry.
Love S.Lee, but a weekend away with a comedy crowd is one of the most chilling things I can think of. I do like The Fall and Sleaford Mods though.
literally don't give a shit about atp's "ethics".
The values of All Tomorrow's parties
The values of All Tomorrow's parties
The values of All Tomorrow's parties
The values of All Tomorrow's parties
1. Sell tickets
2. Sell tickets
3. Sell more tickets
4. Deny the holocaust
2. don't sell enough tickets
3. cancel event
4. deny any responsibility for refunding people
do you really want to be stumping up £200 this far ahead of an event which has a more-than-likely risk of being cancelled?
Like the majority of people would really give a shit about them screwing bands, venues, creditors, whoever... IF they delivered on the events.
Unsurprisingly, when we're the ones getting screwed, it's not so palatable.
their london gigs will go ahead, i'd still feel a bit shit going to them
still would though if it was someone i really wanted to see, but might sway me against if i was borderline anyway
i'd go to PE tomorrow
already been a shitload of ATP gigs I'd have been all over: GY!BE, Mogwai, PE, GZA/Tortoise, the Low show coming up but I just can't bring myself to. problem is, as soon as I break there's literally no point in not bothering to "boycott" them anymore, so what on earth was even the point?
Without knowing ATP were involved, I got tickets for the recent Blanck Mass gig and - no idea how they've got they're grubby mitts on this one - the Sunn O))) Meltdown show.
Felt totally shafted on Jabberwocky and said I wouldn't buy from ATP again so it was more than disappointing to find out I had.
Still, Low and Goat might get a new promoter at some point...
rather than go to the roundhouse shows
Admittedly that's cos i thought it would be more fun. But the way ATP swooped in to try and monetise those Mogwai shows into a season was truly indicative of the company
announce a future event to subsidise your current ailing one is the still their modus operandi of choice
"Yes, I know you lost out on £400 in travel and tickets, but they put on Shellac so give them a break ok"
Dis used to be like that about ATP, I remember being called a mifler for being an atp sceptic
who are owned by a web development company called "Zimma Limited", who have roughly £15k in assets less liabilities.
good luck getting yer refunds then.
They only provide the software & web interface for selling tickets. You buy directly from ATP/Willwall Ltd.
Good luck getting yer refunds then.
what's he got to do with indie resolve?
it'll all be joke bands, right?
either way, see you all there!
Really want to go to this but although ATP Iceland went ahead ok, has anyone else actually noticed that Willwal Ltd has a company status of 'Dissolution' according to Company Check
Hadn't seen that
The annual returns have been overdue since 28 Jun 2015.
On 2 Jun 2015 notice was given to compulsory strike-off the company.
On 9 Jun 2015 Deborah Higgins resigned as director and company secretary.
It looks like the end of Willwall Ltd.
I guess when they split into three companies after the last time they went under they were just making lifeboats for themselves, wouldn't be surprised if they are trading under one if the other two now.
is there a new company selling tickets for upcoming events. I'm too unsure atm to buy Stewart Lee ATP tix
"All tickets through ticketing agencies are sold on behalf of Willwal Ltd, ATP Pacific & ATP America, Inc. who are responsible for providing the event and are sold subject to the terms and conditions of sale at www.atpfestival.com"
but there's not actually any terms listed before you get to entering your payment card. Like fuck am I doing that to find out.
Incidentally, ATP Pacific were struck off in March 2014 having never filed any accounts, so no idea why the hell they've still got that company listed on the Terms while ATP Presents and ATP Recordings also are well overdue with accounts.
ATP Music Limited, formed on 15th June 2015 with Deborah Higgins as a director.
Looks like a classic setup for another "management buyout".
It all points to another "old company goes bust, new company takes over" scenario.
Statement of capital on 2015-06-15
Cowardly, cowardly custards.
Most if not all of their dissolved companies were registered there too.
It does help differentiate Barry's ATP companies from the 50 or so other ATPs out there. I hope it doesn't affect the reputation of ATP Fitness Ltd. I'm sure they don't deserve the association.
is doing a gig outside my office tomorrow. Will find him and ask all about this.
Will keep you updated.
they didn't even print wristbands for the event, just used a mish-mash of the matt groening event and 'the fans strike back'. LOL.
This is the best ATP thread in ages.
if they only have a tenner left, prolly don't wanna waste it on extravagances
and the creation of ATP Music Ltd. by now...
I genuinely wanna go to NBC and this Stewartleefest, too. But silly to think at least one of them won't go Jabberwocky.
yeah, figured they'd wanna beat the online rumour mill after what happened last time
A statement around about 2nd June when they were listed in the Gazette would have been smart.
For the record, Companies House seem to have lifted the threat of dissolving WillWal for the time being - Barry finally got around to filling his annual return, although the accounts are still well overdue. I'm sure the fact that people have started asking questions is coincidental though.
Still expect the assets to be transferred to ATP Music sometime in the not too distant future.
it is a technical point, that most of us don't really understand, and could actually be totally irrelevant.
The bigger issue is simple; you either trust them or you don't. If you do, great, plough on, if you don't then, errr, plough off, or take a chance by buying a ticket on a credit card and hope for the best.
Getting bogged down in Companies House isn't going to help you out.
loads of companies file late for all sorts of reasons. A much smaller number don't file at all and are actually compulsorily struck off. Most of them don't have history of going under with millions of pounds of debt multiple times though. ATP do and so it's relevant information when people are considering whether they trust them or not.
People can by all means dismiss it as something they don't know enough about, but that doesn't make it irrelevant.
business chat, but loads of companies restructure constantly, it doesn't always mean bad things for their customers.
It's only relevant if you understand all the details (which I don't), just presenting it as HERE IS A BAD THING, is just unhelpful.
You might as well say "never go to Café Rouge, they went into a CVA last year".
(although I appreciate the difference between ordering a gig ticket and ordering lunch).
My bigger point is, ignore all this, and stop going to their events because they have shafted you enough already. This is just frippery.
In a restaurant you pay after you have received the goods and services. The worst that can happen if the company goes bust between you walking through the door and the food being ready is that you miss out on dinner, but you won't lose any money in the process.
With a festival promoter you are asked to commit your money 10 months in advance, with no guarantee that the promoter will deliver on its promises. Tickets cost between £333 and £1,445.50 each. These are significant amounts of cash. Reviewing the financial state of a promoter (including its filings with Companies house) is only prudent, especially if said promoter has a reputation of not delivering on its promises and is not using a reputable ticket agency as an intermediary.
but as this point is being carried on:
I really appreciate cz's investigations and hope that he continues to post any stuff he finds out about this because
1. "you either trust them or you don't" - it's the details in threads like this that help people to come to a decision regarding this.
2. Finding out that ATP have set up another (!) company, with a statement of capital of £10 (!) and are using recycled wristbands from previous events (!) is remarkably entertaining stuff for nerds on DiS like me.
should probably clear up what a "statement of capital" is.
It's simply the money that has been invested in the form of shares - in the case of ATP Music there are 10 shares, each nominally worth £1, all owned by Deborah. That doesn't mean the company only has assets of £10 - other loans/property/creditors and such like may be invested already, but until they file accounts it's impossible to tell.
It's pretty common to only have a small figure on the Statement of Capital" for private companies as all it's really doing is defining how the ownership is split.
although, as jh has reasonably pointed out, i don't have a great understanding of this. ALTHOUGH, that then means that it makes even more sense for you to be posting to explain.
Just tickles me a bit to see ATP being valued at £10, even if it's only a nominal/initial set-up for convenience. To be fair, given their circumstances, they'll probably be quite pleased if they can get their balance into positive figures.
Ouch, take that Barry!
Given that there's a million other festivals out there who I have more confidence in not ripping me off.
is the thing
why he's getting involved with this nonsense.
and, as a fan of him and someone who is well into the idea of him as curator, and also as a satisfied ATP customer at past non-fucked up events of theirs, anyone getting caught up in the 'yeah but stewart lee' factor, knowing what is evidenced in this and recent threads, is, frankly, a bell.
why he isn't getting more stick for getting involved with these pricks.
his only frame of reference to what ATP is seems to be that 2001-curated one in 2001
*tortoise-curated one in 2001
Mainly drinking bitter and watching The Fall.
who had let himself go.
not saying anyone's gonna go. but it's pretty easy to avoid ATP when they've been putting on 90s indie fest every year, or you know, putting on the national.
Stewart Lee's lineup will actually be good and worth checking out were it not for ATP.
Shirley Collins & Ian Kearey
John Kirkpatrick & Trembling Bells perfom No Roses
Wild Billy Childish & The Dear Watsons
The Bevis Frond
Evan Parker, John Edwards, John Russell & Han Bennink
but seems like a recipe for loads of bored hipsters talking through all the quiet bands
I like his comedy more than his music taste.
Thee Oh Sees, Courtney Barnett, Built To Spill, Om, Max Richter (performing The Blue Notebooks), The Notwist (performing Neon Golden), The Album Leaf (performing In A Safe Place), Chelsea Wolfe, Natalie Prass, Jessica Pratt, Total Control, Warm Soda, Holly Herndon, Micachu & The Shapes, Viet Cong, Andy Stott, Lightning Bolt, Braids, Loop, Suuns + Jerusalem In My Heart, Micah P. Hinson, Ought, Pharmakon, Vatican Shadow, Föllakzoid, Warm Graves, Dead Rider, Blanck Mass, Iceage, Dinos Chapman, Death, Xylouris White, Russell Haswell, Andrew Hung, Younghusband, Vision Fortune, Black Pus, Emptyset, Extreme Precautions, Helm, Paus, Fumaca Preta, Avec le Soleil Sortant de sa Bouche, Sculpture, Dan Friel, Grimm Grimm. Some great acts in there, still not going.
plus you don't have to stay in a dump of a Pontins. Line up is a bit more lamestream, but what can you do.
looks pretty wicked tbh. will see how it goes nearer the time before even thinking about going toh
Tickets now cost 80 pence...or 80p
think i'm gonna get tickets.
nothing ventured, eh?
but my wife does
Looks like ATP took out the business equivalent of a payday loan from Ashley Business Cash Ltd at the end of January
Pontins are also selling accommodation at Prestatyn Sands for both weekends of ATP 2.0 (whereas ATP usually block-books the whole site)
just got a big burst of saliva at the idea that these might both be cancelled, omg omg omg
too scared to work in case this gets announced
I mean, if they're selling standard holiday packages, ATP can't be going ahead, can it? The April Events section of the Pontins link above is still showing an 'Event' for the Stewart Lee date, but the Drive Like Jehu date is Paul Marazzi and Band (!) on Saturday and Bluecoats on Sunday.
But the bit about being able to book a standard holiday stands.
Assuming my work browser has sorted itself out. The entertainment for all six ATP nights is showing as TBC, apart from Amethyst playing the first night of the Stewart Lee date.
...would be that ATP hasn't been selling that well, and they've put a portion of the site on general sale.
...the insane markup that ATP charge on accommodation. ATP is selling 'day' tickets for the whole weekend (£100 / each). Buy in some accommodation direct from Pontins (£110 for four, including bedding!), you save almost £300 vs paying £800 via ATP.
Almost makes me wonder if ATP is lining up to say "sorry, we've had to cancel the festival, but the accommodation is all booked, so you can go ahead and stay there, and we'll just refund £100).
Hope everyone paid by credit card, in case it does get cancelled...
that'd be hilarious.
just checked the Pontins site and the booking form is messed up. when you select 'people' at the start it books the number of people you select as number of apartments.
the ATP stages take up most of the main spaces. all normal holiday goers would get in the way of entertainment is stew reading john cage?
Know a couple people going so would like to let them know incase ATP do their usual thing of cancelling a couple days before. I'll phone them up when I finish work if not.
dropped them an email
it's off, will post a screenshot in a minute
They seem very confident it's going ahead in this tweet:
Why would they lie?
...when ATP email us telling us that tickets are very nearly sold out and that Pontins has just installed Dyson hand-dryers.
Not the Stewart Lee one.
Thanks Pigrat, I was really worried for a moment.
...would you mind forwarding to Trading Standards, as it would surely be fraudulent for ATP to continue selling tickets?
(Apologies for the slight skepticism, but I emailed Pontins on Friday and still haven't had a reply from them.)
i'm not getting involved in a legal dispute pal, can forward the email on to you if you don't believe me though
...I'll email them myself and see what they say. Looks like you emailed their generic 'Contact Us' address, whereas I emailed the Prestatyn address.
yeah, was just email@example.com
give it a go, only took them a couple of minutes
Apols for initial skepticism
Unfortunately the organisers of ATP have cancelled the event.
Pontins Contact Us Team
showing the ability to purchase tickets still.
happy to do this myself this evening if you're unable.
Than seeing the possibility of another ATP cock up unfold.
Maybe John Reis will do a Triple bill in London or something.
can't believe plasticniki is making mad numbers on twitter off some content i created
worse than hogan
internet people, eh?
Only a couple of weeks beforehand.
Apologies but it was just too good to not do
tweeting saying that i - montycantsin_ - was the one that did it please
it's not the retweets really but i want barry to know it was me that finished him off
(I don't follow you, didn't even know you were on there, done and done)
of reading tweets from people angry/laughing at ATP interspersed with photos of people playing tennis.
...and spoke with a "lovely scouse chap" who checked with his manager - apparently as far as he is concerned, the festival is still happening.
and they said yes it's been cancelled.
What the utter fucking shit is going on?
Well played that man.
Where do you reckon the new location is? Martello Beach?
loads of small venues in London?
Confirming both events cancelled.
Fat White Family
Broken Family Band
Sons and Daughters
The ATP events have both been cancelled.
Pontins Contact Us Team
Britannia Hotels Limited. Registered in England & Wales. Company Registration No: 1343600 Registered Office: Halecroft, 253 Hale Road, Hale, Altrincham, Cheshire, WA15 8RE
My mates fitting a dyson airblade in the downstairs bog tomorrow.
Sorry for any of you guys have bought tickets. Total shit show like.
we was hacked!
saying something along the lines of 'have some faith in us! This one will definitely go ahead!'
and it's all down to a miscommunication
ATP prebook Pontins, start selling tickets. Pontins ask for some of the cash up front by a certain date to secure the venue booking. ATP don't pay up in time, Pontins cancel the booking.
I'll send you another one out today, can't pay by card lost it while i was out on saturday"
...now that Pontins have begun selling chalets to punters, I wonder how easy it would be for ATP to re-book the site?
than 911 though.
It's a shame really, they had a sizeable and loyal fanbase but through their own fault that fanbase is now more energised by news of them going down the shitter than any new events. Karma n ting.
so it isn't like it has been a bombscare booking wise. can't imagine the lineup cost that much either.
That it's such a shit show that even if the events sold well it'd still go under. Good ol' Bazza.
Jaberwocky's sales were "healthy" when it was cancelled.
pretty sure the stewart lee one's selling ok - i think there were only two options left when we booked, and we had a few people who wanted the last space in our chalet.
the only one that didn't go ahead was jabberwocky - a co-op with some other promoters in an untested venue. Even then, i got my money back without any fuss. And still had a good weekend in London seeing bands.
i trust the person that's told me this.
My friends partner is in a band that's playing and apparently it's still on. obviously i could be proved wrong but hope not.
Because he has a reputation of being a chronic liar
it's been cancelled?
It's not like they'll bother paying them either way, so the bands are probably the last people they'll worry about telling. Especially when they're still trying to con punters into buying tickets so the loan shark doesn't break Barry's legs.
there's still hope this will go ahead?
I'm also 100% confident they'll take this opportunity to pay See Tickets the £749,355 they still owe them, Gigantic the £876,716 they still owe them, and so on and so forth, from just one of the other times they went bust.
It's a new dawn at ATP, they'll never let us down again!
Barry just paid Butlins the £352,000 that ATP still owe them from years ago and as a sort of "welcome back, we've missed you" present, Butlins has bought the hosting rights back from Pontins and just to forgotten to tell Barry!
It's really all a very simple misunderstanding arising directly from ATP being so very good at business.
the bands probably are in the dark as much as us punters are.
aye,artists definitely haven't been informed
When it comes to whether an event is running or not. Especially when ATP are involved, I don't believe an atp festival has gone ahead until people come back to tell the tale
Annoying this won't be the end of them, think they will always be around as London promoters with a bizarre monopoly over certain types of band, wish they would just leave it to the many competent promoters that cover the same ground
is it cancelled then?
We haven't received any funds from ATP therefore at this stage we can't confirm the event will go ahead. If you have any more queries please contact ATP.
Pontins Contact Us Team
Don't even toy with the idea of staging this festival, it's too risky
what a shitshower.
lovely bit of sticking the knife in from pontins there
...of people emailing / calling to ask.
Stewart Lee mail out seems to have dropped any mention of it
he must be so fucking gutted right now. i'd cry.
which did mention it
They're going to announce ATP Iceland today, and the thousands of tickets they'll sell will enable them to pay off Pontins to relieve the confusion and misunderstandings (caused by them not paying Pontins) and the festivals will GO AHEAD!
performing their new album in full
i predict fuckyeahdavidbowie is going be royally called out in Barry Hogan's programme notes
If/when ATP actually announce the cancellation they'll do so in a way that blames fyds and others for contacting Pontins and thereby discouraging people from buying tickets at a critical time when they almost had enough to consider paying some of the deposit on a new venue (such as the travelodge at Tamworth service station).
And then Barry will rip his mask off and say "and I would've got away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids" and it'll actually be Bernie Madoff underneath, but then someone else will appear (dunno who, haven't fully thought it through) and rip that mask off as well and then it's just Barry Hogan's face again but even fucking uglier and without a beard because he's incapable of growing one IRL.
...asking Kanye for help?
disappointed i didn't receive an angry pm from baz overnight :(
I imagine they're currently throwing all the money they can at Pontins to try and get the booking back.
although if it does go ahead (unlikely) I risk paying an increased flight price.
Just checked a few minutes ago.
I mailed Pontins earlier, and they've gone from saying it's cancelled to "we can't confirm it's happening", which I guess is positive. I hope!
because they're bored with all the indie bellends constantly sending them emails.
let's all do it too!!!! twitter nobs.
honest and it was a genuine miscommunication (not a mistake mind, ATP don't make mistakes, ever).
Be interesting to see if Barry has the balls to carry on with announcing the ATP Iceland lineup while his April events are in trouble.
"Did it? *goes and checks*. Ohhh. 24th February 2016! I thought it said 24th February 2076."
i.e. if the festival gets cancelled, it's Pontins' fault for sharing confidential information with Joe Public, therefore the cost is Pontins' liability.
Nothing wrong with exposing a charlatan.
What's annoying me the most, apart from the fear of not ever getting to see my favourite band ever, is the lack of communication. At the very least they should be blanket bombing their facebook and twitter saying they're doing their best to sort it. Not this silence....
But what is this statement meant to say?
So far they have clearly said the events are going ahead as planned and that the Pontins staff have got it wrong. That is as unambiguous as you could wish for.
The problem is no one believes them, because all trust has eroded. But to keep banging on about wanting clarity, or a meaningful comment is really daft, as no one is going to believe a word of it, unless it says "yeah ballsed it up again, is off".
and appear to be selling other packages for that weekend, that's far more telling then a man called Barry saying 'it is on honest'
And that Pontins are in breach of the contract so have no choice but to front it out with you lot, whilst fighting it behind the scenes.
Why anyone expects any company to tell everyone what they are doing all the time baffles me.
ATP - We are sending an email now, will keep you posted.
ATP - Just making a phone call, will keep you posted.
ATP - Just to confirm no email has been received in response to the earlier one.
ATP - Just ordering some more vinyl toys, available soon
ATP - About to announce a Low gig to try and raise some funds
I'd invite Barry to take Pontins to court and rinse them for as much money as he can.
But by "genuinely screwed over", I mean that ATP has met every payment milestone, and complied with every obligation of their booking. Which on past form, I doubt is the case... so, to be blunt, as long as Pontins are saying that the event is not happening, and until such time as a court has decided that Pontins were in the wrong... I'm siding with Pontins.
Would be for ATP and Pontins to have a chat, rather than make an ill timed statement to appease you lot that just inflames the situation?
are down to the fact that because of their history a good chunk of the people who would normally attend their events refuse to take the risk these days. The ONLY option they have is to stop being so passive and obfuscatory about things. He could quite easily front it up by saying just what you've said there; "We are currently speaking to our lawyers as we believe Pontins are in breach of contract. Unfortunately we have had to take tickets off sale for the time being as we can't accept bookings in good faith while we're in dispute, but all existing bookings will be honoured if we manage to sort this out or for any alternative dates/venue we have to use in the future. We will update as soon as we can, but until the dispute is resolved we'll unfortunately not be able to make any more statements. In the meantime, please don't make any further bookings for transport."
Barry would be astonished how much better the response would be - the reason he gets the response he does is because people *want* to be able to trust him, but he makes it impossible to do so.
but it's also plainly untrue given that Pontins have been saying the booking has been cancelled and are taking bookings for that weekend; Frankly put, if the venue says it's not booked, then you can't claim in all honesty it's "going ahead as planned" unless your plan was to fuck up the venue booking to the extent that they're booking other people into your accommodation instead.
It doesn't help either that this is exactly what happened a few years ago when someone discovered that Butlins had booked another event in for the dates Barry was selling tickets for - Butlins said the booking was cancelled, Barry said it wasn't, then a shortly after moved it all to Camber Sands.
The only way ATP are going to regain trust and have believe believe their side of the story is by showing a bit of humility and being open about where they've fucked up. Barry's not done it before and the fact that ATP claim this is just "miscommunication" shows that he's not going to start now.
...miffling indie types to go away.
i think at times like these it's important to remember how right the mifflers were about atp. I remember years ago people getting an absolute hammering on here for being early to spot the traits that Barry is now famous for, from people with arguments based on nothing more than they quite liked atp events. Seminal mifflers vindicated.
Given that Pontins are selling 4-person chalets for ~£100, and ATP was selling 4-person tickets for £800, one would surely assume that even if sales were moderate-light, ATP would be able to cover the cost of block-booking the site (especially as I assume they would get a bulk discount).
What the hell has been happening to our money?
don't think there's been much of that, just genuine wonder at how anyone still trusts an organisation such as ATP
Indie bellends is clearly a label we self-apply and always have on here.
I'm worried you really do think JohnM is a twat. :'(
But mostly just like to call people twats
I'm self aware enough to realise that though unlike most people on here.
(and by that I mean one that lives far enough away that I never see them)
fairly sure they're tongue-in-cheek, the latter is posted by one of the few souls defending ATP ITT
It doesn't really matter tbh forget it
you fucking cunt.
People see a gig they like, buy ticket for event. I guess other than here there isn't a big obsession with the ATP downfall.
whose interests would intersect with an ATP festival line-up and who wouldn't be aware of their rep. anytime a music festival fucks up (eg Bloc) it's all over the music press/social media, it's extremely hard to miss that stuff.
but are outside of the needy obsession of the company. A gig is a gig, people are more attracted to the bill rather than the organisers*
*Except places like here
or both tbf
I think a fair few people (myself included) will have gone in eyes wide open - knowing the risks, and paying by credit card, so that if the festival did get cancelled, we'd get reimbursed by the credit card company under the Consumer Credit Act.
We'll just use our train tickets to go on a hiking weekend in Wales.
The people I feel sorry for are the people who paid by debit card, who have a less certain view of whether or not they'll get their cash back.
I really want to be able to go to ATP events again. But unfortunately, I want to see evidence of events going ahead with everyone getting paid, no venue cock ups etc before I'm willing to commit any more money to them.
They're continuing to alienate what was already a niche audience. Essentially, we're at the stage where the whole company needs a guarantor.
stewart lee speaks:
booking bands he's never heard of :D
tbf it's always been a fair bit of that, and I'm not moaning. I'm sue Matt Groening likes a lot of shit bands that I wouldn't have wanted to see.
what a swizz!
For baz to not just drop him a line telling him what's happened is pretty funny.
I can't see Pontins releasing a statement saying anything positive
who will have to be mugged off by pontins if ATP is on
...it'll have to be a business decision for ATP, won't it? How much money will they make from selling chalets 6-8 weeks before the weekend, vs money/magic beans from Barry that may or may not materialise?
that's it for any event that weekend.
I think this really was a simple as ATP not paying the deposit in time. Obviously Pontins need a set-in-stone date where their chalets revert back to general sale. That's not a miscommunication, Barry, that's standard fucking practice.
Interestingly whilst the availability is showing on pontins.com, it is NOT showing on booking.com - whereas other dates are bookable
They'll know that the ExCel Centre had to go to court for the £132,000 it was owed after the Jabberwocky fiasco.
Stewart Lee w/e - selling alright
Drive Like Jehu w/e - selling like shite
The doing alright one probably being taken down by the not doing well one.
looks like all types of chalet are available for the DLJ one, compared to just 4s and 6s for the Stewart Lee one
Didn't the DLJ weekend get announced quite a while after Stewart Lee? He could have probably pulled off one weekend - but tried is luck and screwed up.
Kinda weird how they recently moved a bunch of the DLJ bands to the Stewart Lee one too.
I guess there is some kind of logic, economies of scale of running two festivals each weekend book ending a week, double the sales with less than double the costs. Barry seems to think there is infinite demand though, probably took Wayne's world 2 too seriously as a youngster and lives by 'if you book them they will come'
given their track record of previous cancellations, going bust and subsequently resurrecting via phoenix companies, Lee replied "Well, that's what companies do, isn't it? They re-capitalise. When they go bust. They subsequently resurrect via phoenix companies. It's what they do. When they've had to cancel things, previously. They resurrect, don't they? Via phoenix companies. They re-capitalise. Subsequently to going bust. It's what companies do. After they've gone bust. Companies resurrect, via phoenix companies. Isn't it what they do - companies? After going bust? When they've had to make cancellations. They re-capitalise - companies. Via phoenix companies, subsequently. Well it's what they do. These days".
They/Pontins would have to buy you out of any booked accomdation.
Most likely scenario is you end up spending an April weekend in a deserted Pontins in Wales.
ATP is selling tickets for its 2016 events direct to fans using software provided by a firm called Ticket Tailor, offering no refund guarantee. That point is buried in ATP's website.
...and the payment was £100 or more, you're covered by the Consumer Credit Act, and the credit card company will need to refund you (regardless of Barry's financial situation)
it would be the most relevant to people on here with tickets.
The entire article is pretty grim reading and the fact ATP presents was forcibly dissolved just before xmas doesn't fill me with confidence.
and no statement from Pontins. strange how that was up to them, huh? like, it's not ATP's fault there's been no statement today.
i wanna hear from Billy Pontins
can't read comments cos i'm not on facebook, what does it say?
"For clarity, and to reassure customers who have purchased tickets or travel for the upcoming festivals, these events will go ahead as scheduled: at Pontins Prestatyn, on 15th-17th April & 22nd-24th April.
We would like to apologise for our silence today, and for not getting back to all of your questions individually. We have been working with Pontins Management to release a full statement confirming this within the next 24 hours."
urgh, thought i had a headshot ffs
they've not found time to respond to most people's queries however.
They were still promoting it on 29 Feb, and now it's delayed until the 4th. Go Barry!
"sorry theo, did you bought a ticket?"
That's told whoever that internet wanker was..
I thought of responding but Barry's got enough on his plate running these accounts.
Anyone remember this?
we stop flinging shit and be happy that these might go ahead and we all get to see Drive Like Jehu?
ericthethird? erictheturd more like m8.
Drive Like Jehu in a great venue in Berlin in June. €23 tickets, £36 flights, cheapo accommodation for a night, the whole thing could cost as little as £65.
Know which one I'd rather holiday in!
yeah, the Pontins looks amazing http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/03/48/85/3488541_5b8e55e9.jpg
definitely rather go there than a capital city well known for culture and nightlife and being really cheap
that berlin is a more attractive tourist destination than prestatyn? :/
to be fair i'd bloody love to go to this. 400 cap show...
and ATP were looking more and more perilous I was still considering taking a punt on a non-accomodation ticket to the DLJ weekend and giving it a go. Found this instead, booked the gig ticket yesterday, found a hotel 15 mins walk away in Friedrichshain with a private room for £20. Just thought it might be a good alternative for people who were sad about missing out, or a safety net for nervous ticket holders for the weekender. Even if ATP goes ahead, you either get to see them again, or just resell the ticket.
having just got back from berlin this is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo tempting. shame i'm fuckin broke.
in light of the ATP reassurances, and just now (5PM) got the following mail from them.
We have had no further communication I am afraid.
Doesn't look good 8(
ATP Festival The rumour which circulated online regarding our April festivals stems from a delayed payment from ATP to Pontins. This is something which we take full responsibility for, and are now resolving. The payment will be sent through to them tomorrow which Pontins will confirm when they receive. We apologise wholeheartedly for the concern and worry this has caused our customers, artists and curators.
ATP customers were given incorrect information by Pontins staff, which was shared online at a rate which we were unprepared for. The festival was never cancelled, which Pontins have now confirmed. Our delay in responding publicly regarding this is due to our wish to be as clear as possible as we are still in the process of negotiating some smaller organisational details, which we did not expect to be sharing with you at this point. These will be resolved in the next few days, of which we will keep you updated.
Unfortunately with the speed at which the internet moves these days, inevitable problems that can always arise in the course of delivering an event can be magnified and speculated about before they get a chance to be worked through calmly behind the scenes.
While discussion between parties involved can take weeks to be resolved, the internet demands minute by minute updates on everything and in turn that can end up causing more confusion by people answering based on a sense of urgency and not completion. This is something we want to avoid.
We will update you with more information as soon as it is available and we are grateful for your patience thus far.
10 · 8 mins
They never act humble or explain anything. This is more than you'd have expected from them.
True, but it shouldn't have happened to begin with and I'm real cynical of atp to the point where I don't believe a single word that comes outta there mouth and all I see are lies in everything they say. If ATP posted that the earth was round I would never sail to the horizon again.
worrying that they haven't paid Pontins though.
I don't think it is remotely plausible though. That pontins would go ahead and allow their site to take standard bookings, and let their staff tell people two events from a major bulk/repeat customer were cancelled simply because of a missed payment.
I guess a truthful statement would read something like 'we have major cash flow problems, we didn't pay pontins, and gave them the silent treatment to buy some time, we ignored their repeated requests until they had no choice but to seek alternative bookings, please don't let this put you off spending hundreds of pounds on completely unprotected ticket purchases for events are unlikely to go ahead, oh yeah we have contempt for you all and you are never getting your jabberwocky money back'.
so guess I can understand why they went with the former
'the internet demands minute by minute updates' - yeah, because you've got a past history of fucking up your events and leaving people out of pocket
Fuck the idea that not paying the venue is an 'inevitable problem' that just happens during the course of putting an event on. Paying the venue is fucking crucial to putting on a gig you prices.
You didn't pay Pontins when you were meant to, so they opened up bookings since as far as they were (are?) concerned, the event was off.
...customers who bought holidays to camp when atp didn't pay
what happens to them
"negotiating some smaller organisational details" is going to be about the process for managing a group of non-indie-bellends staying there at the same time and how to stop them from accessing Shellac Karaoke or whatever.
let 'em sing
Unless families will be happy with just playing in the pool all weekend idk
Regardless, any festival that needs to provide a daily statement to confirm that it is happening is probably not doing brilliantly and you should find a better option.
Pontins customers were given incorrect information by pontins staff. Their holidays were never booked. Ruining people's holidays is an inevitable part of planning an atp event.
Book a 2 person chalet now whilst Pontins are offering accommodation and buy an ATP no accommodation ticket, result!!!
expect a certain amount and type of entertainment. If it's anything like the Camber Sands layout, they won't even be able to play Time Crisis without an ATP wristband. Not to mention all the complaints Pontins will receive about drunk indie fans partying all night.
Can't see it being worth the hassle for Pontins. And by 'it', I mean dealing with ATP.
Hang on a second, are we giving Pontins a bit too much credit here for being some kind of outstanding bastion of good customer service?
Do we really think that they would pass up a block booking (and, presumably, the bar revenue), in return for a handful of bookings that they will have received since putting the rooms back on general sale?
If ATP were to go ahead, surely Pontins would call guests and say "Sorry, there's been a screw-up. We can rebook you to Southport and give you a free upgrade, or give you a full refund?"
doubts about ever getting paid for it.
on full payment upfront from ATP before confirming. However if ATP do manage to find the money, then a few Standard Family bookings shouldn't be an insurmountable problem.
maybe they always planned to go ahead but fancied a bit of a public kick in the bollocks to ATP for being late in payment
`ATP customers were given incorrect information by Pontins staff`
Is that libellous? Especially if their contract with Pontins said `If we don't get money by x date then the event is cancelled`.
it's also notwithstanding the point about how one talks about a business partner/client/whatever. Don't want to go all `Dan Hodges on twitter` about it but that basically says to me ATP are saying Pontins/Pontins staff have been neglectful, improper and have lied.
Appreciate they don't have a big legal engine behind them who can sign off their public statements but come on.
official statement is made, hopefully, tomorrow.
every time this happens (which is every time) can't help but think of this. https://youtu.be/cHjfdeVvJP0?t=1m54s
they say insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result
you mean going to see a band you like?
...though obviously Barry's just going to try and use the money to prop up Prestatyn. Not sure why anyone would ever risk buying flights to something these guys organise.
perhaps the lineup was held back until it was confirmed the Stewart Lee atp was gonna go ahead. couldn't really advertise him playing another event if it wasn't
or is some new additions?
there should be some new additions today...supposedly #dontcountonitlol
Which event was it that was surrounded in uncertainty and Barry promised an announcement on a set date that came and went, and his response was like 'what your still bothered about that?' Seems like he is going for the it'll blow over approach
To me he's like a tragic figure. I can see like a stage musical of ATP. At the end, the lonely devastated figure of Bogus Harry in the middle of the wreckage of his dreams, the flames licking up at him, surrounded on all sides by hordes of angry fans and legions of creditors, with his last breath crying out "IT'S ALL SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT"
Wonder why he isn't happy just being a standard London gig promoter, maybe he is determined to pay back every bad debt and is taking ever bigger throws of the dice to do it
and quite successfully too. After a couple of years out, and once they'd built up some trust, they threw two festivals at Butlins. Now they've decided to get out of the holiday camp game though, so maybe the ship has just sailed on this type of event.
for the Stewart Lee weekend but still available for the DLJ weekend.
like you can still book for both
...and Pontins website says no availability at Prestatyn on that weekend. Still lets you book Standard Family Packages for the DLJ weekend.
Booking went through fine. £200 to be debited from my account within 3-5 working days.
hire a pr person ffs
"we would LIKE to assure customers who have purchased tickets, or those who intend to, that this event will be going ahead" but we can't.
"Currently fine-tuning some organisational details" with the venue, such as the fact that they aren't willing to say the event is even going ahead. But don't worry, we've got this!
but not DLJ - what it seems like anyway
...if he was going to get paid.
*Wrote a song about the contract negotiations with the lyrics:
'Still don't know if they're going to fucking pay me /
I hate ATP"
someone in the comments has posted a supposed email from Pontins saying things are back on. If(!) it's all cool, I don't see why they can't do a public statement about it. (Or answer my tweet, ffs)
They've paid for that one now. Not the DLJ one though afaik.
I'm going to the SL one so, fairly happy. Just wanna hear it from Pontins.
*still* taking regular bookings for the Jehu weekend, bah
That this is now going ahead. We're trying to shift two places in our 7 berth chalet for the SL ATP, super early bird prices 166.50. Gimme an email/dm
Pontins isn't showing availability at Prestatyn for the first weekend. The second weekend, however, is a bit dicier.
Seen the day-by-day schedge?
A pal (performer) needs a ride with his drum kit!
this lad Tony Blackburn just rinsed them on the event page.
the site's a state right now
he's having a great time hounding Barry.
He's been kicked out of the festival for calling Barry a cunt.
More bands are complaining about not being paid. I wonder if next weekend will even happen.
bands apparently/allegedly already being informed that it's off...
...the word back is "all seems legit".
it's happening !!!
it still went ahead.
and then when we all got to Camber there were just signs stuck up saying he wasn't coming, and they reshuffled the timings so Tinariwen headlined instead.
DOOM cancelled a show?
Don't know why they don't just stick his name on every ATP lineup and just take it off on the Saturday.
John Cale @therealjohncale 14m14 minutes ago
@alexmarshall81 @atpfestival I don't take this sh^t lightly - canceling shows is not ok in my book. fans deserve respect as do the artists.
John Cale @therealjohncale 6m6 minutes ago
@alexmarshall81 hey man, don't want to get into it -just want u all to know how we tried to work thru this -can't force ppl to act honorably
imagine upsetting john cale
fucks sake barry.
it is ACTUALLY happening
it's too much
me walking around my office when each band pulls out of the festival:
9 dead, 7 injured. Shines Knife's set has been put back an hour.
and that's really saying something
I bet Barry is glad that's a common t&c right now, the cunt
he's basically my hero, but fuck ATP. This record has been broken for far too long.
yeah everyone hates on barry, and he is a despicable cunt, but it feels like there's a whole circle of other people that are also responsible:
- booking agents for these bands
- the customers who keep returning, despite knowing that loads of the bands aren't getting paid
- bands like shellac, mogwai + portishead that keep going on record about how they don't care that they're hundreds of thousands of pounds in debt with them
it's like - fair enough if you don't mind the risk personally, but roky erickson's in his seventies now, lived in poverty for decades and suffers from schizophrenia. not getting paid for a trip from texas to wales could literally kill him
Sure, Barry might not have the money to pay him *now*, but if he just gives Barry a break and goes and plays anyway then Barry will totes have enough money after ATP Nagorno-Karabakh in 2019 (curated by that racist folk band from Phoenix Nights) and he'll get paid *then*. Honestly, everyone's so "me me me" these days and nobody knows anything of delayed gratification.
it's not like it was a secret how ATP behave, he deserves his fair share of the blame
I really don't. After how they treated people after jabberwocky, no one should be working with them. He may not have been aware of the full extent of their problems, but he was aware their problems. there was that article that said:
'asked whether he had any doubts about becoming involved with ATP, given their track record of previous cancellations, going bust and subsequently resurrecting via phoenix companies, Lee replied "Well, that's what companies do, isn't it? They re-capitalise' '
Thats a pretty casual view to take when he is putting his name to an event that involves people paying hundreds of pounds, and should have been enough for him to dig deeper and find out about bands not being paid.
getting to curate a festival is probably his absolute dream and something he never thought he'd be in a position to get asked to do. i can imagine someone blinding themselves to the company's problems in the hope of it working out when you've got a once in a lifetime opportunity like that
Such a farce
You live life on the edge huh
not my screenshot, should've said.
but I'm also enjoying the snark e.g. https://twitter.com/disastrid/status/721289965502599168
But in the unlikely event an event qctually goes ahead as planned it's usually well ran. Shame the same can't be said about everything else
remember when i called barry a cunt on the event page? he set security on me, fucking violent bastards. they kicked me out and all my chalet, tried to have me locked up. he definitely is a cunt. oh and all the bands have been informed next weekends atp is off but they havent told the punters.
Really is a colossal arse :(
wow, they didn't announce that "ATP vs the fans" would be happening this weekend as well!!!! ;)
Like give it everything you've got
Or is this another one of your funny jokes
not questioning validity of barry's cunt status necessarily, but I think there are more shades to this particular story
so far the only thing that's official is Cale dropping out, Roky played (but still gave out onstage, allegedly), all this other stuff is completely unsubstantiated. not helping that the tennis is on so searching for info on twitter is impossible. fbk event page seems pretty calm.
In short, it looks as though they are relying on some kind of income stream from this weekend to pay for next weekend, but I don't get where that's coming from?
I didn't realize until I went to comment on the Jehu venue change. Which was the first time I would've commented since jabbawocky
Jordan copied and pasted it
wasn't a private post and someone who isn't friends with them had shared it.
BUT THAAATS MY LIFE!
must be an exhausting task in fairness
They ban people for asking where their refund is, or slightly snide remarks. I'd understand if people were constantly trolling or bombing their comments with a sea of negativity but say one thing out of line then the comment gets deleted and you're immediately banned from commenting
because the member of staff fixing the machine was complaining to us about it. i also heard the original story about someone getting thrown out for calling him a cunt too, though.
Fucking over fans promoters and venues who have nothing to do with their shitshow.
due to non-payment of travel
nothing to see here
So, can anyone give a rundown of what did and didn't happen at Stewart Lee's edition?
John Cale pulled out?
Roky did play, although he already knew he wasn't going to get payed?
All other bands did play (except for This Heat, but that was because one of the members got injured the night before)?
we're through the looking glass here people
butlins was a bit dreary, but that place was something else. our chalet was infested with ants, and i know we weren't alone. they really, really should have put some more food options on too.
in contrast to the review, i actually found the crowd to be fairly upbeat and friendly, on the whole. i mean everyone was moaning about barry and atp, but there was a kind of gallows humour to it all. saw lots of great stuff in stage 3; the atmosphere conjured up by terrie ex and bennink was particularly joyous - dynamic and playful and somehow funny (in a good way). shame i wasn't able to see any of the actual comedy because of the idiotic stage choices.
tbh i did pick up a ticket at a vastly reduced price. wouldn't have been happy paying full whack, but i did have a pretty nice time. it does feel however that atp has gone out with a splutter, rather than a bang.
the Stew Lee event wasn't a complete disaster as well.
Trash Kit, Sulky?
Nah. Despite it being pretty shambolic in terms of organisation, i actually thought it was one of the more upbeat ATPs, haha. Thanks, I think, to the program being a good balance of cerebral experimentation and fun.