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Max Richter doing Blue Notebooks though *the emoji of a hand doing the 'ok' 'perfect' thing*
they can still fuck off, however
did they not traditionally mention some big acts in original announcements? guess it's more what would happen when there was a big artist curating.
talking of which, last time the chapmans curated ATP (after slint had been rumoured) there was a DiS article about it and i commented that id prefer slint to "some slight tacky artists"
one of the chapmans got my address off my profile and emailed me something to the effect of "slightly tacky? have a look at your profile picture mate"
afaik they did a good job in the end tho - violent femmes at atp must have been so much better than seeing them surrounded entirely by australians at their london show last year
but didn't Jabberwocky bomb because not enough people bought tickets earlier on?
Amazed ATP is still going. Surprised if it happens.
Don't become the mugs that they evidently think you are
but not badmanreturns. for shame.
I only ever went to ATP once and I fucking loved it. I'm not actually gonna buy tickets for this as I don't trust them not to cancel, but I *would* go to it if it was free or something.
If I were a cynic it's almost as if that survey was just an excuse to go back on the 'end of an era' thing, which in itself was a last ditch attempt to raise funds for an unsustainable business
'Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me' weekender.
why they can do this when they probably still owe folk money?
they're just pretending that they don't.
if they don't do another big event?
from the liquidation
thought it was just pre-wilwal? i've no idea
so i guess they don't owe people that much for that
but from experience working in related things, cancelling a couple of days before an event is liable to cost you a really significant amount of what you were going to pay anyway, from advance fees to venue hire (surely they'd be liable for 100% of venue hire at that point, only potentially saving on staffing?)
COMBINED WITH the fact that they then had no income from it... obviously they did the maths and figured they were better off cancelling but it's a massive loss either way
The Violent Femmes were great.
Can't see me going to this.
isn't it like 4.5 by now?
I would go back to ATP to see The Darkness.
I can't pretend I'm not tempted in a slightly beaten spouse stylee, but that line-up as it stands is no way worth the prices they were charging at the end
£190 early bird, £200 full whack
Fuck that then
from atp store or something on top of that. Fucking ridiculous
having any acts worth travelling to the coast for
also 40 acts seems like a light programme. if this means they're being more financially prudent, all the best to them. not a chance in hell that im buying tickets more than a week in advance though
BAND OF HORSES
BRIGHTBLACK MORNING LIGHT
BUILT TO SPILL
DO MAKE SAY THINK
ECHO & THE BUNNYMEN
EDAN WITH GUEST DAGHA
MICAH P. HINSON
ARCHITECTURE IN HELSINKI
BAT FOR LASHES
LES SAVY FAV
THE APPLES IN STEREO
THE GO! TEAM
YO LA TENGO
is only a bit over 40, and i remember that as a packed line up. but, like, look at the quality of that
Don't forget that the festivals also had a lot less competition back then too - these days there are dozens of events putting on bands from similar strata/backgrounds.
context definitely makes this the big comeback that they need
Will never ever be touched.
EXPLOSIONS IN THE SKY
BROKEN SOCIAL SCENE
IRON & WINE
...AND YOU WILL KNOW US BY THE TRAIL OF DEAD
A HAWK AND A HACKSAW
THE PAPER CHASE
STARS OF THE LID
DE LA SOUL
THE OCTOPUS PROJECT
WORLD'S END GIRLFRIEND
WEG after Man Utd essentially won the PL is my second favourite ATP memory (just behind watching the Amir Kahn fight in the sports bar and then seeing MBV)
at Bowlie 2?
That was one hell of a fight if so..
And it was really sunny IIRC. I met Ghostface on the way home at a service station.
but that was before my time. got to some of the london piggyback shows though:
DJ PEANUT BUTTER WOLF
ACID MOTHERS TEMPLE
ANTONY AND THE JOHNSONS
BEANS FEATURING HOLY FUCK
DAMO SUZUKI AND JELLY PLANET
HIGH ON FIRE
KILL ME TOMORROW
LES SAVY FAV
QUINTRON AND MISS PUSSYCAT
SAUL WILLIAMS - Performing Spoken Word
THE FUCKING CHAMPS
THE MARS VOLTA
abolutely amazing, and the stones throw take over of the pub made it even better
Apart from flaking out before DMST :-(
it says on the thing ~ £200 pp which i guess is about normal for something like that these days including beds
i seem to be alone in thinking the line-up seems good! excluding the shit like vision fortune and "the guy from fuck buttons" that are just barry's mates the three headliners are all amazing, holly herndon is one of the best live acts on the circuit at the moment, iceage are great etc
just not a £200 line-up yet
and I've never been to ATP
And I love love LOVE the Blue Notebooks.
I'm annoyingly tempted. I'll need to see some prices/other acts first though.
Admittedly at the Royal Albert Hall, but it was spectacular. Seen Richter twice now, really great live experience (hopefully everyone at ATP will shut up for it).
or the year before. Brought me to tears. So so so so good.
So there's no point in speculating what the crowd will be like.
from Taunton station.
did notice this on the page :D
"Prestatyn has the great benefit of being far more respectful location-wise to our nationwide customer base than previous sites"
would most definitely never ever return to this absolute dive of a place! Booked Butlins this year!
but minehead was like a prison camp and in pretty poor nick, but i always had a good time there
:D great photos/captions
It was good. You ruined it. You're terrible people. Give it up. Thanks.
imagining atp goers having a lovely time watching max richter by the seaside while every dis member is sat at home just desperately scanning twitter for scraps of failure like some sort of mental salivating dog :D
You'll have to imagine it when it's cancelled
this si several grades up on your past work, it's genuinely appreciated
This one, and when he was backing you up in the Terry Pratchett thread.
Would back up catstro, that's for sure.
let's get some numbers in here
not really 'weekender' vibes though is it?
more tempted by shiiine on.
i was a longtime supporter of atp and gave them lots of money only to be repeatedly let down and bullshitted by way of thanks. not to mention the bands/businesses who have been completely shafted along the way. you're extremely naive if you think that wronged customers with an axe to grind will forget the omnishambles of atp past.
stick your survey results up your bum along with the inevitably smug programme notes. pearl of prestatyn, my arse.
you're a load of mean bastards!
I think i've had enough
pipe and slippers
wonder what he's been up to
And at that Slowdive gig at the Hoxton Bar and Grill.
Never saw him watching any bands at ATP. He was always just stood outside smoking.
Should have it on Barry Island
you had been together for the best part of a decade, they had faults, but you still had amazing times together. Towards the end, you realise that they've been doing terrible things behind your back and then you break up in flames. A few years later, they get back in contact. A simple text: "want to meet for a drink and a catch-up?" What do you do? You know that you're going to get burned again, but do you take the risk of one fantastic night of reunion sex, or are they going to just break your heart some more?
I suppose it's not the first time they've done it
COMPARE AND CONTRAST: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=new+york+subway+signs&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=955&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=lKwJVYeGJcrWU4GFg7gG&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ
Thought it was intentional velvet underground song name for festival/New York underground/underground music etc
It's been like that since the 2nd one
referencing rather than stealing tho really, and they've been doing it for ages afaik
Probably not the first bone i'd pick with them tbf
see, for example: atp referencing NYCMTA's brand
But fine, in theme with the torch and pitchfork wielding rabble...they ripped off the brand. Not sure anyone got confused about whether ATP was a travel service or if anyone has actually cared up to this point.
Using someone else's copyrighted intellectual property, especially ones like brands which are valued as assets into the millions for commercial purposes is illegal
I used to be a brand manager at a charity and used to have to issue a cease and desist a week with people stealing our logo and visual identity
I know you are right and have the law behind you but objectively speaking, in 2001 when a fledgling independent promoter puts together a unique live music concept without corporate sponsorship and uses extremely similar branding to a massive transport company on a different continent, it's pretty easy to forgive them for it. It's only in hindsight that this seems one of many trangressions.
Hugely in the mood for it this year. Can't bring myself to do it though (not to worry since it won't go ahead).
How much chutzpah do you need to honestly pretend like everyone doesn't hate you though? ATP 2.0 my arse.
The whole blog is brilliant. This is incredible:
I've bought two tickets
I did, we agreed its fine
West Bridgford Colts tour about 2003 ish. We came second, didn't show up for our runners up trophy, went out on the razzle instead (LADS). Kammy was handing out the medals :(
The Welsh word for cancelled is ganslo.
You might want to write that down somewhere.
it'd be like scheduling surgery with Harold Shipman
Why would you buy a ticket for an ATP event? You wouldn't.
"Apologies for trying to help"
many refund :(
Presumably these are just automated by now?
they admitted they've made mistakes! that's a first.
Why would anyone have faith in these lying theives
I think I have tweeted them twice - chasing up a delayed refund and retweeting their tweet about how Jabberwocky definitely wasn't getting cancelled just before they then cancelled it.
maybe they've set it so people cant retweet their replies? no idea
she's just tweeted that they're still using one of her quotes in their press release though. Classy!
is how they've managed to just throw this little line-up together in the hour and a half since those survey results, and the tidal wave of love for a seaside ATP (handy for the airport) came in. Miraculous stuff.
Wonder too who they've found to do the ticketing for them - I notice Dash have 'zero forthcoming events' in all categories.
You buy your tickets directly from ATP. They use a ticketing platform that cost them about a grand per year (plus VAT), but your transaction is with ATP.
If you buy a ticket through a reputable ticket agency (i.e. a member of STAR) then you are guaranteed to get a refund if an event is cancelled or not performed in full, regardless of the financial situation of the promoter.
If you buy your ticket directly from ATP there is no such guarantee, if the company goes bust you lose all your money, unless you have paid with a credit card directly (not via Paypal), in which case the Consumer Credit Act 1974 Section 75 applies.
you'd just have to jump in with a chargeback immediately
The main agent was Dash, an obscure firm from New Zealand, plus a couple of other Mickey Mouse outfits. The major UK ticket agencies won't touch them with a barge pole, after they lost a bomb when ATP went bust in 2012.
(which is mainly used by event organisers) every time a customer asks a question they are given a standard reply: "Please contact the event organiser directly".
I can see a Dash/ATP situation looming where they both refer everyone to each other.
Still, let's hope my lack of confidence is misplaced and actually ATP pull off something resembling a festival. They've managed an apology for their behaviour yesterday this afternoon, so miracles do happen.
Thought SFA might play ATP being in North Wales and all.
ive not been affected by the things that went on previously and I'm not sure you can hold a company's past mistakes against them forever. I've not got a credit card so will be buying with my debit card and have full faith on the ATP guys putting together a great show this time.
You should always use a credit card to buy anything that doesn't have consumer protection, like an expensive music festival which can be cancelled for a variety of reasons. This isn't specific to ATP. Consider asking a family member or close friend if they will make the purchase for you, and transfer them the money. Just check that you don't need the card holder present to pick up the wristband (can't see any info about how the exchange is made on the ATP site). You really would be foolish to use a debit card to buy a ticket for any festival these days.
does anyone have the full line up for "ATP fucks the fans", I.e. A fairly comprehensive list of times the ATP has screwed its fan base, and other weird goings on?
Now it all makes sense.
They've got a consistent, popular brand, lots of people think they're one of the best things ever. Why would they risk all that by associating with ATP?
In a previous version of this article, it was stated that there was a chance the festival for 2015 would not go ahead but that was an error. The 2015 ATP festival will go on as planned but future festivals may not depending on funding going forward. We apologise for the mistake and any misunderstanding it may have caused.
of close to £200k? Ouch.
financially successful ATPs ever. Hooray for Hogan!
and still fail to cover your costs. Excellent budgeting.
ATP can't make festivals in London work, the idea that they could make them work in a country on the arctic circle with the population of Brighton without being underwritten, well...
think the icelandic government or something related were credited as a sponsor on the posters, and i think there were promotional tie ins with iceland air maybe?
The site needs the ad revenue I suppose
Jake & Dinos Chapmanatee
Codspeed You! Black Emporor Penguin
A Plaice To Bury Strangers
The Go! Bream
have sold out completely apparently, so at least 2 people have.
they announced more bands yesterday
Courtney Barnett, Built to Spill, Lightning Bolt, BRAIDS and Black Pus.
has also those bands playing PLUS Jive Bunny
it was like a Jive Bunny megamix, where all of these bands take turns to play the parts as part of a non-stop 18 hour set.
Like you could have the stage split into two lots of equipment with a massive drumriser in the middle where a person in a bunny suit plays the same drum beat for 18 hours straight.
could be seen as a sign that they really need some advance cash
I can't remember how many of the chalet options used to sellout before each atp. So maybe it is going ahead? Who knows.
It'll be kinda weird an ATP happening and not having a massive thread about what everyone thought of it. But yeah I can't see myself ever giving them money with the number of fuck ups that occurred.
because that could be redeemed with a couple of successful events. it's the shitty way they've treated their customers and a load of bands.
but for a promoter that trades on it's "intimate, non-corporate and fan-friendly" nature, it's just a touch jarring.
I purchased tickets right before the last one got cancelled, so I can empathise.
this one looks fun.
two pals have pulled out so I have two spaces left in my chalet, I realize it's a bit late notice so not too fussed about recouping funds.
I don't believe it.
No idea if we'll get paid or not.
Ought, Holly Herndon and Blanck Mass are the only things I'd be interested on on that day.
If the festival was going ahead of course.
Which it isn't.
It'll be nice to have a 'chill day' between. The sunday run in is pretty great. Friday is party party.
this suddenly seems like quite a good festival
If this goes ahead it is only because they have revenue coming in from 3 further announced distant festivals. I guess they are gambling on making sure this one goes ahead to regain credibility hoping that sales will be healthy. Guess they can always announce three more festivals for each announced festival see how long it takes to fall apart
, there isn’t an explosion of beer and vodka ads all over. The focus is on the music – they rent the best PA’s, and they ensure the stages look amazing." - Braids.
I've always said that I'd happily put up with some ads on the side of the stage if it meant the festival, you know, actually taking place.
Always thought the lack of sponsorship is irrelevant when you are standing in butlins eating a Burger King watching bands.
Plus I think at one point they were sponsored by dyson airblades
but i really oughtn't. also, check your facebook messages please and thankyou
Is the space still up for grabs?
Poor Stewart Lee and/or Drive By Jehu.
So I'm up on my post hardcore band names like you. Enjoy your seven months of winter.
Jabberwocky was the day before, so for this one, theyre just planning to have a banner saying cancelled at Pontins.
Genuinely intrigued by how busy it will be - literally not one person in my FB/Twitter has mentioned going to it. I mean, I realise that my social circle doesn't mean anything but there would usually be at least one person going.
I would've had to join in the karaoke as a condition, so you've all been seriously spared tbh
at The National ATP tbh
It says on the train ticket website an off-peak return London to Prestatyn is £85.60 if I buy online, but I can't find conclusive evidence - even using askjeeves.com - if this is just an online price or the price I would also pay just turning up and buying the ticket at Euston tomorrow. Don't want to turn up at the station and for them to tell me it's like £200, but equally I can't be arsed to buy online and print a ticket myself for the same price. Looks like it is a universal off-peak price but can't find proof of this theory.
Will send Barry and the team all your best wishes if I make it.
there's no savings ever to be made simply by buying online, just a bit less stressful to turn up with your tickets sorted
but from being in advance - and at this stage, it's probably much the same as on the day.
You could buy it to collect at the station from the machines, it will take the same amount of time as buying it at the station and you won't get stung if it is more expensive on the day.
Buy a ticket from London Euston to Crewe for £20 then a ticket from Crewe to Prestatyn for £22. journey doesn't take any longer either.
Need to get back though :D
Two of those singles is almost exactly the same price as a return...
return from crewe to prestatyn is £23
£52 total :)
Under normal circumstances I'd totally go for this, but the only cheap train to Crewe appears to add about 90 mins to the journey, so I might just pay an extra £30 for the peace of mind of being able to get any train I want and get there and back quicker rather than being tied down to a particular slow train at a set time. Especially as I'm paying a knockdown price for the festival ticket.
Complete clusterfuck so far. People waiting 2 hours for chalet keys. People being lined up against a wall to be sniffed by drugs dogs. Cars being searched for beer. If you have more than 8 cans, they're being confiscated. No music yet. Was supposed to start at 3.
The venue is pretty cool though. Once the things under way this could be rad.
"imagining atp goers having a lovely time watching max richter by the seaside while every dis member is sat at home just desperately scanning twitter for scraps of failure like some sort of mental salivating dog :D"
(would link the post but it doesnt have a title)
Can't believe moussee caved like that. He's just posted a picture on Facebook of him enjoying Dan Friel, the big twat.
would probably die if i saw that
in that case...
haha atp twats
"It is with huge regret that we have to announce that we will not be playing at ATP tomorrow; unfortunately the terms of our agreement with the festival have not been honoured and so we have had no choice but to pull out. Really sorry if you have bought a ticket with the intention of seeing us."
Chelsea Wolfe is killing it. To about 150 people. Eek.
About 350-400 in now enjoying Viet Cong.
It is with huge regret that we have to announce that we will not be playing at ATP tomorrow; unfortunately the terms of our agreement with the festival have not been honoured and so we have had no choice but to pull out. Really sorry if you have bought a ticket with the intention of seeing us.
weren't open too, tbf.
you seen that video of a seagull dancing to black pus? its good
It feels weird. Maybe half full. Watched Dalek with about 50 people last night. Everyone had just gone to bed, little party.
The sound is good and everything seems to be running smoothly now. I haven't seen Bill Murray. Black Pus was amazing
i had no idea they were playing. shame only 50 people were there
sounds like it was decent but under-attended? how were the chalets and other facilities?
yer man from Thee Oh Sees apparently walked off stage because of how they were acting during their set?
that there was a recent event at the camp in which loads of people were caught with drugs and so the security was ramped up for this one.
you'd expect attendance to be down with the line-up, hopefully they weren't banking on a sell-out.
There were actually plain clothes police wandering around and the sniffer dogs were fucking daft.
Not much of a party tbh, a fair few of the bands seemed pissed off whilst they were playing. the DJ's got cancelled on the first night due to 'noise complaints'. On Sunday they just didn't bother with any party at all. They set up the decks and then kicked everyone out.
The place is bleak but the sound was good. Some of the bands were great. It seemed bizarre to put almost all the table top music on one day though.
DJ's pulled from the pub on Friday due to a man dying.
I can write a few words about this
It was pretty empty all weekend at a push I'd say maybe 800 people made it down? But it's quite possible it was far less than that. At first it did seem a bit like the security were over zealous I was being searched by sniffer dogs on the way in and I suspect they didn't realize they were dealing with gangly ineffectual hipsters rather than rowdy ravers.
Lightning Bolt (all day eerrr day)
Loop (much better than the last time I saw them, the sound on the main stage was more or less perfect all weekend)
Ought (easily one of the best performances on the Saturday)
Holly Herndon (she really seems to have a knack for making electronic music that's both engaging and strangely organic sounding also seems to have a wry sense of humour judging by typed announcements)
Grimm Grimm (that misfits cover is probably my song of festival)
Extreme Precaution (actually reminded me a lot of Genghis Tron)
Fumaca Preta ( all credit to them for trying to create a party vibe at 1:30 Sunday afternoon)
Thee Oh Sees (possibly the performance of the festival, with probably most enthusiastic reception I'd seen all weekend and probably the closest it got to being an actual party, only slightly dampened by the security getting a bit heavy handed with the crowd surfers, in their defense they'd probably had next to nothing to deal with all weekend)
Built to Spill (not sure I why I hadn't listened to them before excellent band excellent melodies)
Prestatyn was lovely for about an hour before turning into a bit of a washout
Saturday predicatably was a little muted there was probably just one to many noise/post-industrial acts
Russell Haswell made most of the other noise/tabletop acts sound like Enya
Wasn't sure what was going on with the DJ situation, seemed as though they'd kind of given up by about halfway through the festival not least with the Queen Vic closing at 0:00 each night I have a feeling quite a few people just went back to their chalet's after that and didn't come back.
The facilities weren't actually bad aside from the slightly austere chalets, I've not been to a proper ATP before so I didn't know about the £5 electricity charges but it generally lasted long enough to heat the chalet (or try anyway) during the evenings and have hot showers in the morning. Generally had a great time and it's always good to meet new DiS (and non DiS) folks.
on that 'no more than 8 cans' rule 'cos that sounds fucking ridiculous.
one of my friends brought far more than that and we didn't run into any issues, also they didn't even check my bag so...I'd probably take it with a pinch of salt.
I think that they got bored of it fairly quickly.
I enjoyed myself. Some excellent sets. The final run of Thee Oh Sees, Courtney Barnett and Built To Spill was superb. Braids were wonderful, Ought were excellent, a spattering of other good sets and interesting acts throughout the weekend - I've never really minded much about the music as long as there are a few things I enjoy, I mainly go for the fun.
Very odd experience though. So sparsely attended (probably due to mix of venue change and lack of big hitters in the lineup - I can see why they were playing it safe in terms of bands who would require large fees, but maybe they played it too safe??). I recognised literally nobody from past ATPs - used to be that I'd recognise half the crowd at the Camber Sands ones. In our block of chalets, which was right next to the stages, it was just us, some people next door, and an installation piece The Chapman Brothers had done in a chalet below us. Don't think there was anyone else on the whole block.
Most of the crowds for sets were extremely quiet. At the end of Built To Spill last night there were perhaps 150 at a push in the room. The biggest crowd of the weekend was probably for Thee Oh Sees, and even then it can't have topped 500, the room was still only just over half full.
Without wanting to get all Carol Vorderman - say they sold roughly 800 "tickets" at £200 each (a security dude told me on the first night that they had been told to prepare for 800-900 people). That's £160,000. With the venue hire and paying all the acts fees (leave it!) and the security, equipment hire, insurance, blah blah blah ... I have no actual idea of the costings, but despite assumedly not having any big fees to pay the bands (maybe £10k top fee?) that can't add up, surely?
Really, genuinely hope this hasn't financially screwed the festival for good, as whatever you may think of the company, the festivals are still such great events. I very much hope everybody who played gets paid and that the two festivals in April go ahead. Think the site is actually really good, the setup and sound in there was great on both stages, and assuming the next two events sell more tickets, they could both be really excellent with a bigger crowd and better atmosphere. Fingers crossed.
definitely a bit on the weird side, but I did have a really good time. I'd been to Minehead ATP a few times but never Cambers Sands and the difference in facilities between Butlins and Pontins is pretty stark, but then who really cares about that if the rest of it is good.
The sound. lighting and general production was brilliant across both stages for the whole weekend. The sound for Chelsea Wolfe right at the start of the weekend was particularly incredible.
I'm guessing they were trying to strike a balance between keeping the cost of bands down and ticket sales for this first one at Prestatyn - probably a wise move given their recent history. It did mean it felt quite empty and a bit flat for patches of the weekend, but the run of bands on Sunday night made up for it. The mood of the whole place seemed to lighten with Thee Oh Sees and there was finally a bit of a party vibe about the place. I know that's not great given it was only for the final few hours, but I think it bodes well for next time.
I was really looking forward to Andy Stott, but somehow he seemed to make the brilliant sound system on the main stage sound like total trash. It didn't help that there were only about 30 people in there, but it really did sound awful. Holly Herndon was also a bit dull to these ears (Blanck Mass was the highlight of the electronic stuff).
Highlights: Chelsea Wolfe, Lightning Bolt, Death, Jessica Moss, Thee Oh Sees, Courtney Barnett, Built To Spill, Mueran Humanos, Avec Le Soleil, the evil sloth machine, the sound and lighting, the fact that ATP weekenders are back.
Lows: Andy Stott, Holly Herndon, the chips from that place in the arcade room, the awful selection of booze
Overall - I'll be going again next year, for sure and I expect it to be busier and buzzier.
Death last night at the 100 club, great gig with raucous & disorderly crowd. Glad to see them in your highlights.
Better venue compared to Camber. In desperate need of some more people. The Friday triple of Album Leaf, Max Richter and Notwist was incredible.
Really really really hope everything goes well for the April ones.
or whatever the equivalent in croquet is. I was hoping for a cancellation though so I could break Lara's record.
"Now that we've had a few days to mull it over, ATP have decided that attendance for the Chapman Brothers weekend was so low that we have no option but to cancel it, even though the event has already taken place. Sadly, we cannot offer any refunds to anybody who attended the festival but wish to extend our sincere apologies for this unfortunate development. All future ATP events will be going ahead as planned."