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i dont get it, they have such conviction in the belief that anything less is worthless
know anybody like this? i do :(
It's pretty much the only genre where people get like this.
can;t tell if you;re jokign or nt, but I'll bit anyway.
what about Rockists? Gallagher types who think the evolution of music ended with the Beatles.
What about House DJ's who listen or ackowledge absolutely nothing else.
What about blues?
What about Jazz, man?
What about people who only listen to the radio and refuse to believe that anything outside of a 4 minute pop song can't qualify as music (Hi Dad!)
Or - and this is a special not particular genre specific category - all those people that only ever listen to the music of their youth, their previously seemingly propulsive music trajectory suddenly frozen with inertia. Some people still actually LOVE Gomez.
What about all X people who only listen to X music?
The amount of times I've tuned into some dusbtep dude on rinse fm wanting some bangers and they've gone on some kind of polish jazz drone prog disco tangent for two hours. It happens all the time.
don't go bringing specific examples into it
I find the majority of radio sets a bit of a letdown, if I'm entirely honest. Then again I've never really been someone to listen to full blown mixes really.
I think metal seems to be the most aggressive and "proud" example of this. Whenever I see someone chastise One Direction while on the subject of "music these days" online, their profile picture tends to be a male in a Slayer t-shirt.
closer to 19.
Don;t mean to keep sayign Noel Gallagher, he;s just a handy example.
This is so not confined to metal. although I guess an aspect of the genre, when you're in your early teens, is being especially voiciferous about the things you stand against. Thing is, they only know the music on the radio, most don;t know very much about the myriad forms of music at all. so they really don;t kow what they're talking about. neither does anyone that writes off entire genres wholesale.
Except for me, when I say Jazz Funk and Electro Swing are the fuckin' pits
I still love them. Why wouldn't I? Because I've - hahaha - "grown up"?
I sort of get what you mean with that final non-genre-specific category, but it's a huge error to say that those who "still" listen to a band from a certain era are only doing so out of weakness or laziness.
I was specifically talking about those people who only listen to the music of their youth becasue they think it crystallises what is good in music for them.
it was a very niche category.
I specifically avoided intimating these people had 'given up' becasue they are still enjoying music. it's just that they don't keep up with new things coming out at the rate they used to, nor are they really that bothered about it, becasue what they've got is good enough for them. possibly even better than anything that might come after.
I detected a dismissive tone in your original post, but not so much in your latter.
These people congregate at the Bearded Theory Festival. Go there, and you'll notice that these people don't give a shit about the concept of "cool", but they give every shit about enjoying themselves. It's beautiful.
Ultimately, none of it matters. And if such an attitude means that bands like Gomez can still make a living, fantastic.
in 2009 they brought over a pre order box of The Beatles: Rock Band and scoffed that they were, in fact, a pop band.
is from the Isle of Wight
I didn't know people actually lived there, thought it was just a tourist spot.
though most of the annoying people from the uni rock society, who once were gathered outside my window (we shared a back garden with the next door neighbours, who were all basically what you'd imagine a stereotypical house of 'rawkers' to be) at about 4 in the morning not shutting up about really shit Internet meme whimsy which was really hypocritical given the passive aggressive bordering on open chastisement texts they sent because we were watching DVDs at ten at night and we were apparently supposed to know they had to get up early the next morning
GOD DAMN IT
I'm not bitter or nuffinck though.
* ... seemed to be from Isle of Wight, but it could easily have been just one or two of them
that they'd left on the floor of the communal yard, because they said it had cost them a lot of money. I did a snarky impression of them for an unreasonably long time at a later date before I realised the window was wide open and they definitely heard at least some of it.
Thank goawsh it was the last day
There's certainly some of those types around when it comes to metal.
And The Beatles, The Jam, The Stone Roses and Oasis inspired tonnes of lad rock/'Gallagher types' to form bands. Just look at quotes from Jake Bugg and the Godfather Noel Gallagher himself, and members of Kasabian and The Enemy for proof.
I also used to know some jazz/funk/soul elitists who seemed to be in some kind of impenetrable bubble and looked down on pretty much anything that wasn't that.
Northern Soul elitists. yeesh
You might say that the problem lies in the fact that such people are so dismissive of music that doesn't do it for them, but coming from the DiS board, where the mere mention of certain bands is enough to elicit a sneer, such an attitude is a bit rich.
The best thing about music is that it can speak to anyone on any level, and everyone is free to enjoy it in the way that works best for them. If they limit themselves to metal - or conscious hip hop, or funk, or soul, or jazz, or blues, or whatever - so what? What possible difference does it make to you?
And those who insist that there's such a thing as "real" music? Let them insist. Whatever gets them through the day.
I think in a way I'm jealous of that. I don't really know what music I like as such. I guess the easiest answer is I like Rock music but it's easier to give an idea of that if you're just into metal or whatever.
I hate, hate, hate the term Indie. It's meaningless, in some peoples minds it means 4 piece guitar pop and to some it means pretty much every sub genre of rock out there.
When I was in university, "indie" was taken to mean "rock music that isn't punk, hardcore, emo, or metal".
There was a ROCK society that concerned itself exclusively with the more abrasive side of things. The Indie Society was for those who liked all other forms of rock music.
Yeah I guess. ah well. I just call it alternative i guess. I get confused with it all.
The exact same people go to both (plus a few more weirdos at the metal one) and listen to very similar stuff. Not many cool people go to either of them.
Everyone's favourite band is something like Def Leppard or Iron Maiden. No one's into stuff like Bowie, or even Led Zeppelin/Pink Floyd...
and was surprised to know the words to most of it. Good fun
but y'know, stuff like Motorhead and all that...
the moral of this thread is it's ok to enjoy reign in blood as much as you enjoy tigermilk
music is nice
are the people who like metal and believe that everyone who likes both metal and non-metal are somehow 'faking it' or only pretending to like metal.
There was a facebook group a while ago called something like 'who are all these indie fans who PRETEND to like Converge'.
Urgggggggh. Losers. 'If you like more than one genre you're not a proper fan' idiots.
given how many 'sub genre's' are in 'indie' nowadays their minds would just go bang if they looked into it. Sufjan Stevens, Pavement and I dunno, The Black Angels are all apprently 'indie' but sound nothing alike so yeah wut.
that in order to "properly" like Converge you have to listen to 19 other very similar bands who aren't as good in order to earn it somehow. I am very happy to pick the cream of pretty much any genre, some I dig further into, others I don't.
I don't listen to metal much at all and probably own less than 10 albums in the genre but no dick will ever stop me enjoying Slayer.
But Hardcore fans (at least at the time I was going to a lot of HC shows) were probably worse than Metal fans in terms of insularity and scenesterism. Wearing the right t-shirts, having the right records, who your clique/crew were, what bands you knew.... a lot of it having to do with which era of HC you were into. And lets not even get onto Straight Edge and its various tributaries (seriously anyone remember the Straight Edge Pro-lifer HC stuff? 'lol'). The violence at the shows seems to me at least partially to stem from all the fractals, especially in the states where it got pretty brutal at the shows. So in conclusion, yeah metallers can be a fairly insular tribe, but they aren't the worst out there.
All the magazines were just describing them as extreme metal.
Hardcore kids can be the worst though.
seems to be considered their breaking off point. By which i mean their stuff is split between pre-Jane Doe and post-Jane Doe. Their sound definitely became fuller and more course from then on. Probably something to do with that guitarust leaving to join Bane (pffff) and leaving Ballou to go apeshit. Thinking about it that Agoraphobic Nosebleed split should really be where the line is drawn. That stuff is practically Grindcore.
or hardcore bands. Used to see loads in South Wales when I was a lad. Proper bands with proper haircuts, tight black t-shirts, windmilling fans. Maybe it is due a revival. I do like it, but fucking hell it gets repetitive. How they knew all the words I have no idea, so many just sounded identical.
once in the pub some guy asked me what kind of music I liked, I told him, he asked why I was sitting with the people I was with, couldnt fathom non-metallers being friends with metallers
it plays on my insecurity and anxiety and makes me think my music taste is 'inadequate' because i like rock music that isn't screaming and gnarly n shit.
unfortunately the ones who are like "METALLOCA!!!!!!!1" make it very hard for me to take the genre and anything to do with it seriously.
and they said 'Opeth and Pitchfork-approved metal'. You'd think they were a much bigger bellend than if they just said they liked Metallica. I can't imagine a real human being ever saying that though.
and you wanted to get people to reply to a post...
pretty much everything worth listening to has an element of the ridiculous about it.
I used to be one of these guys. Refused to listen to anything that wasn't thrash metal.
I would have hated me back then.
I've met some fucking idiots at festivals. Some people only listen to certain sub genres of metal, like death or black. I go through phases of all music really, I can't imagine how boring it must be to stuck in there without nowhere else to go.
who refuses to acknowledge that most major forms of popular music have work of artistic merit is an utter, utter cunt.
They're all basically the same anyway, and if you dislike any one genre of popular music, and not all of the others you're a hypocritical, close-minded, unenlightened, and quite probably racist, little shit.
There are a couple of genres that I just can't get into really. Even if I can see the merits of it, I can't say I've ever heard a grime song that I've actually liked, same goes for sort of harsh noise stuff.
even people who give the impression of excluding all other types of music usually don't.
and most mellow over time as well.
that there's always at least something worth checking out in any genre, I’d never write a whole genre off completely or say “oh, I don’t listen to this type of music”, because that’s just boring isn’t it?
And to be honest, like GoatmeatMF mentioned earlier, there's people in most genres that believe it's the best type of music and won't bother listening to anything else.
Though thankfully in the minority I always think don't actually like music but rather being part of something- being an acolyte or follower. Their devotion seems a sort of cultural hoarding and is generally pretty tunnel visioned. I've come across people like this from time to time and the conversations I've had with them mirror almost exactly the kind of rhetoric I've got from conversations with the deeply religious.
as it is pretty broad in itself to start with. Whether this is actually true or not, I don't know.
But "indie" is also the genre that birthed the whole "I liked them before they were famous" mindset.
Or was that Northern Soul?
indie isn't really a genre, i'm not sure it really ever was. wasn't it just 'bands on independent labels'? cos now singer songwriters, folk bands, rock bands, psychedelic bands and pop bands are now referred to as indie.