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examples of this? The National is one that comes to mind.
minimum three albums.
the debut Smith album is - it's still better than their last album (Strangeways).
madness, Strangeways is marvellous!
Also, Meat is Murder is the worst one
Enjoy your 10 minutes of slaughtered calf sound effects.
The Smiths - 1st side is a bit weak, but Reel Around The Fountain and Hand That Rocks The Cradle are great, and then the 2nd side is flat out brilliant.
Meat Is Murder - Rusholme Ruffians is good, as is That Joke Isn't Funny Any More, but the rest is a bit samey. Barbarism Begins At Home is awful funk wankfest, and the title track is utter, utter bollocks by anyone's standards.
Queen Is Dead - yeah, brilliant, isn't it?
Strangeways Here We Come - brilliant again. Varied, adventurous, witty...no cow soundeffects.
I don't even like How Soon Is Now? (not that it's TECHNICALLY on the album)
Although MiM is probably the Smiths album I listen to the least. Not sure what's so good about the first one either (except the first track which is one of their best songs).
It's three-quarters of the way to being one of the best albums ever made (which is a lot closer than most bands ever got).
...Johnny Marr never bettered the frankly astonishing guitar riffs he came up with for Barbarism.
1. Morrissey's weakest lyric up to that point (it feels half written, six-form poetryish, compared with, say, Well I Wonder or That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore)
2. At least twice as long as it needs to be (the first, and almost the last, time you could say that about a Smiths song);
Marr and Rourke both do some superb work on it though.
is that the Radiohead - Creeps joke is actually true in this case and therefore doesn't work as a joke.
Unlistenable debut, great third.
The album is Pablo Honey. Honestly, don't they teach you anything at school these days?
Pablo Honey (aka The Creeper maxi-single) is generic, but I'd take it over Hail to the Thief, possibly King of Limbs.
it gets a bit more hate than it really deserves.
1st album is their best. If not their best then definitely their most urgent (usually).
a band's 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th (etc...) album is usually their best, if not, their most simultaneously creative and accessible moment (provided the band gets more progressive with each album and there isn't that much of a gap between them) (but not necessarily their most creative OR accessible, just the perfect balance). Examples: In Rainbows, Disintegration, Peepshow (Siouxsie & the Banshees), Blur, Daydream Nation, Scary Monsters...
Unless a band gets worse with each album, or doesn't make that many albums in which case, the last one is often their best, or most lush effort (Closer, In Utero, Strangeways, Trompe le Monde etc.).
Depends. It seems like if a bands first two albums hit right off, everything after is diminishing returns. Bands peaking with their fourth or fifth generally aren't very good right off.
change their sound somewhere and get better. I'm too lazy to think of many but one example would be The Cure (bad example) - they got briefly worse with The Top (which isn't as bad as people say, not even a dud really), then changed their style with The Head of the Door and got better again (for a bit). Another example would be the Manics with their recent efforts, but they have too many peaks and troughs to really fit the mould of what I'm on about.
Look (listen) to the urgency on the 1st Ramones album. Whilst they were great for a looooong time you can't re-bottle that magic. The exampled Wainbows give show that bands tend to become formulaic and settle for an easy option. All good examples of decent albums but none their best except Closer but Joy Division are one hell of a one off anyway.
but there's no way Three Imaginary Boys is better than Disintegration
peaked from their fourth onwards
Bat For Lashes
The Beta Band
Sometimes think it's better than 3 EPs. It's the only one that really captures the whole experimentalism + actual good tunes thing that was so good about them. I think because the first track annoys the hell out of people it prejudices the rest of the album (also have a theory that some 'classic' albums derive their status from a strong opening song).
but a lot of people rate it as their 'best', hence the comparison.
but Two Suns and The Haunted Man are amazing to me.
but certainly not 13 and probably not The Great Escape
you're having a laugh with the other two
...this statement is incorrect.
First the worst,
Second the best,
Third the one with the hairy chest
with a hairy chest
Self-Titled Debut (worst)
Jesus Christ Bobby (best)
Halldor Laxness (hairy chest rock)
All three of theirs are solid gold classics, but you could (arbitrarily) argue for:
First, worst: Dummy is great, but possibly less developed than later records. Although lots of people will say it has Glory Box, so it's the best, I say no, because that ruins my analogy.
Second, best: Portishead is broader, with a more interesting palette of sounds. Also has All Mine, Over and Half Day Closing.
Third, hairy chest: 'Hairy chest' being a metaphor for 'really strange'. Machine Gun and The Rip are hairy songs by that standard.
which limited the discussion to the established indie cannon, pre-1992.
might start an anti-bullying thread.
not really bad albums though.
Not an album I go back to often at all.
Nocturama is Nick's nadir.
Would rate FHTE over 5-6 of his albums.
Stunning version of Avalanche and Saint Huck is one of his best songs.
I really like Nocturama!
They're actually that rare band get better and better as they go on. After all - Weights & Pulleys > Let Me Come Home > Until the Earth Begins to Part. Now that's an album quality trajectory that I hope they continue to abide by.
SNW is borderline unlistenable, bar a few great songs.
It's super if you burn Pink Cellphone to hell.
things like the really heavy bit in rats rats rats (or whatever it's called) are kinda there then gone. The bit with Serj just sounds out of key and with no purpose. idk, there's so much uninteresting stuff. they clearly don't like it either seeing as how they barely ever play any of it any more.
it's ok, but not really in the same league as everything they've done since.
Both debut's are fine albums, but overshadowed by greater subsequent efforts.
LCD never did a good album, the first is the best if you count the bonus CD too. Then it doesn't even run like an album either. It just happens to sound alright if you put it on random. All you need from that lot is...
Losing My Edge
All My Friends
American Music Club
The White Stripes
And it's miles better than expected, trumps get behind me Satan at least!
But the improvement on the fantastic De Stijl is one of the steepest first-second album improvements ever.
again is not really an album (sorry maosm). I would say Repeater is their best but many will disagree. An EP should be taken in the context of an EP and like the Beta Band, both bands - fucking INCREDIBLE start backing the notion that bands start well then get 'safe' (or lost) hence 'First album = worst album' = nah.
Kanye West (arguably)