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Sure it will be fine though
Prefer it to the bleepy bloopy nonsense
but, good as The Age of Adz is, I much prefer Seven Swans/Michigan.
as evidenced by his folky Christmas songs being better than the bloopy ones (although Christmas Unicorn is pretty cool).
and even the over-indulgent stuff was OK.
i stood next to him while watching foxes in fiction support perfume genius in november
gonna put the age of adz on. best album ever but i haven't heard it in about 3 years
impossible soul just started :))))))))))
would be good if he redid it but with the too many cooks lyrics instead of the christian stuff
it's clearly not going to be the wig out that Age of Adz was, but then again, his best albums have been the folky ones*
*fwiw, Age of Adz was a 7/10, until I saw the live show and it became a straight 10, and the best album ever, and how could I not understand it before... and then slowly the memories of that faded and it was maybe a 8 again.
Michigan, Seven Swans and Illinois are all better.
the number of times i listened to it with forgetting about the little folky bit at the end and winding up with a big old lump in my throat
I'd have been right cheesed off if I knew he was basically only gonna play Age of Adz beforehand, too.
I contrived to miss that tour. Did see the Illinois one though and that was wonderful (the cheerleader outfits!) but deffo think I missed out on something unique.
you went with me to that, right? can't remember...
totally agree with the sentiment up there, though. didn't fully connect until mindblowing live spectacular.
It was some serious amazing. :)
and the weird rocket/mirrorball costume
and the encore of chicago with all the balloons
yes yes yes
Maybe I'll even get to see him this year, and maybe he'll play Vito's Ordination Song with a Redford piano intro. That would be it.
Ok, it was a collaboration with Serengeti and Son Lux under the name Sisyphus. Mixing up Seven Swans folkiness/religious imagery, Illinois' wall of sound and the bleepy-bloopiness of Adz with rapping. Needless to say, it's amazing. My top 3 album of the year.
Calm It Down - ending straight out of Seven Swans
Take Me / Rhythm of Devotion - good enough for Adz
and so on
I really wouldn't have guessed
very excited about this
Although never properly recorded, there is a decent bootleg kicking about and it is really lovely.
but All the Delighted People Ep was also amazing as well and that was more folky, he really has been one of the most consistently brilliant great artists of recent times
I would be more happy with another 50 states album every other year though.
...the "return" to his folk roots isn't a reaction to some quarters indifference to Adz. It did get pretty middling reviews at the time but I dunno...I think it's probably his best. By some margin.
Why wait five years after all. Sufjan just does his own thing.
Here's an interview with him too:
but could be a grower.
love the melody
Though I do like it and I welcome a paired down sufjan song after all the maximalism.
...read that Pitchfork article too which is fairly illuminating. Always grates when artists trying to shill their new record speak of this life of turmoil they've had to endure but he sounds really genuine. This is nice stuff. Will probably work really well in the context of the LP too
but I would be happy with a bog standard mellow folky album every couple of years about a different state of the USA.
Really beautiful song. I'm very excited for this album, he is dead good.
should I give a try to this new record?
I'd say no (you monster)
It's less musically interesting than Illinois, more stripped back as Seven Swans was. It serves a purpose. It's an incredibly intimate, personal record, which thrives on the strength of the songwriting.
Maybe if you're a fan of Nick Drake... Or perhaps you liked hearing Mark Kozalek lay himself bare on Benji... Then it might be for you.
*this is not a bad thing.
In the most Sufjan way possible, naturally.
Such a great record. 2015 is winning so far.
Fourth Of July is an early favourite. But the whole thing is just beautiful and heartbreaking.
link me up?
Just greetin' into the sink.
Good stuff tho. I like it.
but if you like Age of Adz more than this you LITERALLY have no soul
But I still like Age of Adz a fraction more...sorry. Album of the decade (so far) after all!
Just a beautiful album.
almost glad I have no functioning computer at the moment otherwise I'd have downloaded this 100x already. Can't wait to pick up the record and feel me some feelings.
something about masturbating??
YOU'VE CHANGED, SUFJAN
Must wait for official release.
Must wait for official release.
Must wait for...
Move with the times, suffy!
"He killed ten thousand people" *airhorn* *gunshot*
Those three vocal notes after the "When I was three, three maybe four, she left us at that video store" line are stunning...it's the little things.
legit don't understand how anyone could prefer this to 'the age of adz'.
doesn't even remotely measure up to the more traditional, old school sufjan-y tracks on that album (eg vesuvius, all for myself).
there are a few exceptions i guess. But the scope and sort of 'drama' of age of adz was so much greater than the songs i've heard from the new one. And imo it was more beautiful as a result. That bit in impossible soul is the culmination of the hour and whatever minutes of existential crisis that had gone before it, and that's kind of what made it so amazing and basically one of the greatest moments in music ever.
Not sure an acoustic album could ever have that sort of emotional impact
And not just an idiot.
never really connected to Adz. this one's heart-stoppingly gorgeous straight off the bat. in a more subtle way, though, too subtle for some I guess...
They're both amazing you crazy people.
seeing that the sound/vibe of the new album is more down to life circumstances than an aesthetic choice
it's still a rote and uninspired sufjan album.
as i said above, even compared to the stripped down songs of 'age of adz' it's a massive let down.
My two favourite Sufjan moments:
1. From Casimir Pulaski Day: the line "and he takes, and he takes and he takes..." and that gorgeous coda. (I think that's the only time I've shed tears at a gig)
2. From Impossible Soul - as still_here says - the climax "It's a long life..." bit. When that kicks in. Fuck, it's amazing.
Don't subscribe to the belief that each successive album should sonically tower over the last, also not a folk-y purist. As long as the music is good. The songs he's put out so far, whilst quiet and very intimate, are very beautiful.
he's obviously a talented enough songwriter to make an album of this ilk that's a total classic.
not clicked for me yet though. Should Have Known Better / 4th of July are up their with his best, but for me they're the only ones that match the quality of his strongest folky stuff - most of Seven Swans, Casimir Pulaski, UFO Sighting, John Wayne Gacy, and parts of Adz/All Delighted People.
The lyrics are pretty devastating and captivating, but to put it crassly... that's almost a given with the subject matter, but given the execution with the music nothing hits as hard as "and he takes and he takes and he takes" or several other moments from his earlier LPs. I don't think the songwriting is ever outright bad or even boring, and it flows quite nicely, but I think if the songs themselves were attached to a less weighty concept, it would be a fairly forgettable LP.
Will give it more time though - the songs are subtly constructed and I can see it being a grower. At the moment it's quite a long way behind Adz/Michigan/Illinois/Swans though.
Currently says they're not on sale but gives no indication of when they will be.
Booking opens for Friends and Patrons on Thursday 19 March and booking opens for everyone on Saturday 28 March.
I'm assuming they only put a limited number on sale to Friends and Patrons, I'd think there'll be a fair few left on Saturday.
Was panicking for a second that they'd already gone on sale and sold out.
in case anyone's monday is as boring as mine. Such a stupidly wonderful album.
I can't really pick highlights, it's all one beautiful highlight.
Michigan to C & L - 5 albums and ADP, which pretty much is. All of them contenders for my favourite album of the last 15 years...
Is a bit of a needy way to start a review. Pitchfork flying the flag as the Rolling Stone of the indie canon.
Still, I found it interesting where he talks about the way this record untangles some of his back catalogue, and that some of his stories were more personal than it had first seemed. Maybe this was already obvious to more observant/super fans, I don't know.
it'll be between this and Kendrick for Pitchfork's Best Album of 2015
Frank Ocean could potentially do it, D'Angelo might just for being excluded last year. The only other artist who has the cache is Kanye, and it already seems written in the stars that his album will be disappointing and "unimportant" compared to Kendrick's.
Relive the glory dayz.
also 'age of adz' is not electro-acoustic music ffs does no one know anything these days
is an 8.6-8.8 if ever I saw one coming.
nah, look at how much hype reALitTI got just as a standalone youtube upload. she would have to do a centipede hz to not get mid 9s imo
Not looking forward to being a massive baby and crying all over the shop when he plays it live, however.
some of this stuff in a church, would be like WOAH.
or Manc Apollo again.
I will NOT stand for a Sufjan gig.
(having avoided the streams) and it's lovely. Not sure what my favourite track is so far, maybe shadow of the cross.
all of it's properly amazing though
could do wi' some more bleeps 'n' bloops tho, knowhaddimean?
Make your mind up.
but this album is a real breakthrough for me. First listen: "FFS WHY AM I NOT GETTING THIS?!". Second listen: *click*.
But after a few more listens I think it is one of the best of its kind. Absolutely does me emotionally.
which has been available on his tour:
And then I'm disappointed.
And it takes me ages to scroll to the bottom on this shitty tablet.
Can't remember when they were exactly, but they were in early September. Manchester, London RFH, Brighton and Bristol were mentioned.
Tickets go on sale on Wednesday.
I've been listening to this album almost constantly, it's killing me, just even thinking about it makes me feel sad. Should've Known Better is just perfect.
Is one of the best things I've heard
RFH is only good if you're not up really high I think
and it was wonderful.
I'm about 3/4 of the way through the new album and I keep forgetting it's on
If you can get downstairs for it then it's a bit better but the balcony seats are not too bad if you can't. (I saw The Decemberists there recently and have seen Elbow from blacony a few years ago). I'm tempted to try and get tickets myself for Sufjan at Brighton Dome as it's not too big a venue for the quieter stuff on the new album.
become a member of the Southbank centre. The perks are actually quite good (top floor members bar, free hayward gallery, discount drinks, early booking, no booking fees etc). With this and Meltdown coming soon it might be a good year to be a member.
but £65 just to get my hands on some Sufjan tickets - doesn't seem worth it.
Some pre-sale tickets at this link. Manchester got.
Dreading tomorrow morning. They're probably mostly all gone already and I can only do the 2nd as it is :(((
Give it a look in 10 minutes.
thank DiS poster BarriElCastell.
*if the link works for London at 10am
Bit worried that it doesn't give me exact seat numbers, but I got Front Stalls so will be a good view from any seat hopefully!
Nice one Bazza/Jezza!
Seriously, you've made a lot of people very happy!
thanks for posting!
Manchester didn't have row / seat numbers either (just front stalls) but I don't think you can go far wrong with front stall tkts.
Mad props to BarriElCastell & Jeremys_Iron. Great bunch of lads.
Consider this the 3rd September roll call
Bought that from Fopp when I was at college. Remember it being pretty good. How can you have a 'good' 75minute long 'outtakes' album? Absurd.
It is a pretty decent album.
I remember being at an indie night in Bristol circa 2006 and they played Dear Mr. Supercomputer :D
Springfield, or Bobby Got a Shadfly Caught in His Hair belongs on Illinois really, bloody amazing song that
as is 'The Mistress Witch from McClure (or, The Mind That Knows Itself)' (ctrl+v'd; fuck typing that out)
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute,
baby, I can explain
and No Man's Land.
I like the acoustic version of Chicago... assuming he'll play it like that in September. Been absolutely rinsing his back catalogue in the last couple of months. He's so consistently great.
is one of his best ever
I contacted them the other day for both an ETA and for my seat number/row.
They said the seats are allocated best first in the order we purchased them and will be dispatched much closer to the shows.
I'm not fussed about having the tickets in hand, but I'd love to know where I am actually sitting...
Got my tickets, row D of the stalls. Perfect, IMO.
Row F! (Manchester) happy with that
Worth a try. London or Brighton
but I regret it
But never mind cos they are going for £200 on Ticketstub, Viagogo etc!
where's good to drink near the venue?
The Understudy is really good for craft beers and the like. It's underneath the National Theatre. Bar Topolski has some cool BOGOF deals before 7pm too.
Suitable for BYO or buying from within the terrace bar/venue.
For boozer action then there are some nice places on/around The Cut, which is a short walk away.
The Young Vic, Anchor and Hope or White Hart are all decent boozers.
Does anyone want to swap a Thursday ticket for a Wednesday (rear stalls) one?
I now have a clash on Wednesday, so would love to go on Thursday instead :(
Face value obvs. PM me :)
I sent u a note, did u receive it?
Cheers, Music Glue!
I'm still waiting to receive mine. ARGH!!!
Think the album could be my favourite so far this decade
Row N of stalls and the absolute end of the row.
Slightly disappointed, but I knew I was quite late on the pre-sale.
Anyway I was in rear stalls, row XX, seat 1 for his last show there and it was still the best gig of my life.
Are we doing a DiS meet-up beforehand? I've never (knowingly) met a DiSer before, but I might like to.
I'm not sure we'll be there in time as we're travelling from Reading after work, but I'm sure the LME will be kicking around.
We can't stay over as previously planned, and last train home leaves 11.15pm from Kings Cross
And up to 11pm on many other occasions.
In other words, not really...
I might call the venue next week and find out. There are other options but they involve driving some of the way :/
Guys don't forget he's playing in London too
4th of july... fuck me ;((((((((((
on her deathbed that it really hit me
and booked a holiday leaving on the same day as the Brighton show, so have two tickets for sale, face value - £62.90 for the pair. Hit me up if you're interested otherwise they go on twickets.
If I can find a friend to buy the second one I am all over those. Will get back to you ASAP.
If anyone knows of one going spare!
Just waiting for a friend to get back to me, will give you a PM this weekend when I speak to him.
I've got a spare ticket for the 3rd, its in the front stalls and I',m just looking to sell it for ticket price (£30), email me if you're still looking!
I'm also looking for 1x ticket to either Edinburgh, or Brighton, or London.
I've got two tickets I can't use for Brighton (Friday 4th). Face value obviously - £28 each.
I'm based in London, so could either meet up to hand them over, or post them recorded delivery asap. Would like both to go together if possible though.
Have luckily managed to get tickets for London so not too devastated, but hope someone can use these.
Figure I should let everyone in here lookin know, I'm selling a ticket for the show in the 3rd Sept, its in the front stalls and I'm selling it for price (£30), email me if you're still looking.
but I need to wait until 3 days before and if they still haven't arrived they'll arrange for me to collect from the box office
seen, went far beyond your typical gig. The thought he had obviously put into the flow of songs and orchestration of them was outstanding! Bryce Dessner on guitar is always a bonus too
what a setlist, what a show, what a man. holy, holy wow.
I've got a single ticket in the balcony for the Thursday and looking for one on the Wednesday instead?
Eugene had me in full cry.
The (very) extended coda to Blue Bucket really did own.
He played The Owl & the Tanager!!!
He's such a special man. ?
I really don't know what Madisen and the Mama Bear were doing anywhere near that stage...??
Also, £25 for a tshirt is pretty steep, especially considering you can buy other designs from the AK store for just over a tenner inc. international delivery!
What were they like...? The only ones on AK are Illinois related.
Were they shit? They seemed ok from the youtube video I watched of them but nothing I'd get too excited about.
Also imagine going on tour with your mum.
That was really good, wasn't it?
"and master of the Casio SK1, Zardok... also known as Steve." ??
though I really wanted Sister...and it went a bit Pink Floydy at times...
Anyone interested in two tickets for Brighton on Friday at face value (£28 each)? Today's the last day I could realistically post them, unless you can collect in London. Really don't want them to go to waste!
I'll PM you to organise putting you two in touch!
Wednesday 2nd - Rear Stalls - Face Value. Live/work in London so can easily meet to drop them off.
For ticket price (£30) email or message me, I can meet up tomorrow or before the show thursday. It's a front stalls ticket too, cheers!
Back on topic, the Edinburgh gig was ace.
Support act 7.30-8.00
Pleased about this as it means I'll be able to stay til the end :)
Super excited for this now.
for either of the London dates? Thanks
if anyone can help :)
Would take a ticket at face value if anyone has last-minute cancellations. Will be in central London to pick up. PM me
We could do the understudy? Tend to go to south bank for food rather than drinks, so not my area of expertise
depending on how hungry I am my general plan is 1) find something to snack on 2) probs go to the understudy for a drink. May ditch the snacking part because I've just had the largest katsu curry.
and then yeah, that looks like a great shout for a drink before
What time is everyone getting to the pub? Might make it to this now that I've cracked folding down my tent for EOTR.
Anyway, if anyone hasn't seen this review of Edinburgh's gig, it sounded really special.
Last minute drop out means I have a spare for RFH on Weds. Back of the stalls, face value £20. Have PDF ticket I can forward.
PM me for contact details.
Oh god, it's going to be special isn't it?
It was amazing
It was a bit dull
The jazzed-up bits of C+L detracted from the personal aspects of the songs
I'm firmly of the first opinion. What a wonderful gig. Might even be the best time I've seen him. Severe lack of Sister, though.
it was excellent :)
the little flourishes added to it all; the lyrics were still there and i thought he was great throughout. Was genuinely moved at times.
First time i have seen him so have nothing to compare to, but my taste dictates that I probably would have enjoyed this one the most. This is his best album after all.
The highs (No Shade in the Shadow of the Cross, John Wayne Gacy Jr, Chicago) were amazing and most of the rest of it was really good but undermined by twatting about with the songs.
The strength of the recent album is how personal and intimate it is, adding drums that aren't there and making them sprawl into something different really made them lose their impact for me (Same with when The National do Slow Show, that daft rocky bit they build it into at the end makes me cringe). Felt like being caught in two minds between touring this record and trying to cater to the reputation of the 2012 ones maybe?
Had it been just a stripped down show of him and the backing vocalists (when required) it would have been magical, as it was it felt a bit disjointed for me.
All of that said, I could probably only just pass as a casual Sufjan fan so who gives a fuck, glad people loved it.
We had a near proper-argument about it on the bus going back. I was like HE MADE THE NEW SONGS SOUND LIKE AGE OF ADZ SOMETIMES AND IT WAS AMAZING and he was like "what the fuck were we at a different gig?"
weirdly my gf said the same thing to me, i.e. she didn't realise the songs were that different from the album! She's only heard it a few times mind...
My take on it is that for him to do C+L material, alone onstage would have been too much for him given what the songs are about. Having the band there and ADZing up the songs took away some of the emotion surrounding the songs sure but it was easier for him to perform them.
Thought the Manchester show was brilliant, be great if he released a live album of the C+L material in the ADZ style
I quite like the fact that he added some additional flourishes to songs from Carrie & Lowell, I do like that album but, given that it's quite sparse instrumentally when compared to say Age of Adz I'm not sure the set would have flowed as well if he'd just played them in their original form.
If anyone wants - face value (£30 a ticket) row C Stalls
My wife thought it was good though.
As we had to run (literally) for the last train home. However, we got Sister (sorry PN!) And we were sat next to Mr and Mrs hyg, which was nice.
Overall, really enjoyed it. Could have done without the 10 minutes of drone at the end but otherwise a great show that worked well as a whole.
I thought it was excellent and intricate, but not the euphoric life-changer of his last RFH show. Big fan of the huge organ noise blast bit.
we had perfect seats this time so it felt much more intimate. but the Impossible Soul party last time... well, best party ever.
Thought it worked really well in the context of that gig
I'd probably have been happy with it. I was just having a bit of a panic about catching the last train.
Really, really enjoyed it though
I think the album came out at a time of my life where every lyric just made perfect sense with various things going on with people around me. Hearing that live, knowing when those lines were coming, and then seeing Sufjan deliver them was just beautiful and my eyes leaked with worrying frequency.
Then seeing the weight lift from him in the second half (plus his amazing and funny story about death) was captivating as a live experience.
Support act was mad bland though.
we arrived right before the start and then everyone seemed to have left while i was still lumbering to my feet.
It's a shame about the support. I listened to him a bit yesterday and thought it might be quite interesting live. Not so bothered about missing him now
and were told that we couldn't go in until they'd finished. I'm assuming that's because we were down near the front, because one of my mates said that people were coming in throughout the set up in the balconies.
and I'm sure others were going in and out sporadically.
Met meowaz which was nice
And they showed all the Super 8 footage of (presumably) his childhood, I properly welled up.
Was teetering from there until the "My brother had a daughter" line in 'Should have known better', which pushed me over the edge, particular with the more euphoric re-work of the last segment.
'Eugene' knocked me for six, and then "I love you more than the world can contain in its lonely and ramshackle head" in 'John my beloved'.
So so good :)
with the key change and it begins with "don't back down" gets me every time
some of the songs just gave me goosebumps. And was lovely to find out I was sat next to the c_c_bs!
Sorry we left without saying goodbye- we were just sat here during the drone thinking "fuck, if this keeps going much longer we'll be sleeping in King's Cross concourse".
Love the stripped back nature of C&L, but not sure that in a venue that size it would have worked live if he’d performed it in a similar way to on record. And it meant that when he did play one in a more intimate fashion, it was even more hard hitting (was Eugene the first one he did sat at the piano? It was gorgeous, anyway.)
My only complaint would be the lack of horns on Chicago for the encore. It was a really nice version, but still.
Ended up pre drinking in that mini funfair fake beach thing so didn't see any of you guys. Pretty flawless really, and I'd not seen gacy live before, which was musical bucket list stuff. And the fella with the beard who did the mini keyboard solo was pretty cool. Chooks breakfast now, laters
Quite a different feel to the Age of Adz show and it was good to see the more stripped down Sufjan. Not much more to say that others haven't already and the C+L stuff was very touching. I liked that he played Widows in Paradise I wasn't sure if we'd get any Michigan stuff.
Could've done with les drone and another song but that's just cos I'm greedy for more.
Did everyone notice the massive organ? About half of my group didn't (me inc) and the others did...
it was kind of veiled. I've since looked it up, it's the third biggest pipe organ in the UK, fact fans.
Not much to say that hasn't been said already, other than all expectations were met.
Tears and laughter in equal measure, he really is a magical and captivating performer.
Fell ever so slightly short of the Adz tour in the same room, but I never expect that night to be matched (by him or anyone else).
For me, all of the real highlights (apart from the organ drone part, which was cool) were from Michigan, Seven Swans and Illinois. The first song on which I really connected with the performance was Sister.
Some of the Carrie & Lowell stuff was very good, some meh. The Age of Adz stuff was almost all poor.
Every review I read always mentions tears and crying. His songs on YouTube all have comments about crying. It's like the Sufjan fans version of the MBV holocaust bit where everyone has to talk about that section and how loud the gig was. Sufjan fans all mention crying and if they cried. Bit like the film "Up" and how it was the thing to say "yeah, I cried", "yeah, me too" during the opening 10mins. Gets a bit boring and sappy in my opinion. Anyways, back on track. I went on Wednesday evening, never seen him before, got some of his albums but not C&L, though I've heard it online. Sat up in the balcony, row E. The lightshow was amazing from up there, loved the blue lights washing over the ceiling which gave a lovely underwater effect. I drifted a fair bit during the main set, wished he wouldn't keep twinkly his chimes so much, was hoping to connect a lot more with it after reading the gushing reviews. Saying that though I thought 4th Of July was stunning and that was my first wow moment. Shadow Of The Cross was a beauty. Blue Bucket Of Gold was probably my favourite moment of the night, mainly for the extended drone outro which was immense, powerful and cathartic after a touch of the old samey-samey that came before. His voice had too much echo during the C&L songs for my liking which meant I couldn't make out the lyrics so much, not great when the new stuff is all about the lyrics. Some tracks like Vesuvius left me cold and I was more interested in the backdrop at that point. Hoped the encore would soar more instrumentally but was nice to hear Chicago, UFO, Gacy. Loved the beardy dude. 4th July, Shadow and Blue Bucket made the night for me. 7or8 out of 10 overall.
dancing or a massively loud wall of sound can be, and then that becomes part of the shared experience. I suppose there's something reassuring for many people (myself included) to share such a powerful emotion with many other people. Obviously not intended to diminish from your own interpretation and experience.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not emotionally dead on that front. Some music, film, words, scenes can bring a tear to my eye, it's just it seems to be the main thing I keep seeing when talking about C&L the album and shows, which can be distracting/slightly eye rollingly frustrating, for me anyway.
you cold-hearted automaton ;-)
but not enough to cry or anything.
wept like a baby at Up though.
That montage in the first 10 minutes, right?
Someone's nicked your concept if not
also what the fuck is up with those photos? why does a gig review have a picture of the outside of the venue, and the back of someone's head?
Or can I claim it?
It was the centrepiece of the tour before Adz. It was amazing. I saw him at Manc Academy 2 and stood right at the front. He wore those massive butterfly wings.
...and he opened with Sister.
I found myself grinning like an idiot at the start then slowly being in a very relaxed state to then being like OMFG LOOK AT THAT ORGAN. That drone part was phenomenal, I loved it.
I can see why some people weren't as fond of the changes to the C&L material, but I was 100% on board with them (except the echo on the intro to John My Beloved). The moments when everything built to huge crescendos were genuinely ecstatic.
Was great, loved the arrangements
Fingers crossed he'll record all of the beefed up live versions, Should Have Known Better was great.
What a guy.