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David Bowie - Pin Ups
The Cure - The Top
Kate Bush - Lionheart
U2 - October
The Jam - This is the Modern World
Primal Scream - Give Out But Don't Give Up.
Manics - Gold Against The Soul.
Echo & The Bunnymen - Porcupine
Also, apart from a couple of tracks I've never liked Prince's 'Around The World In A Day'
Though I also think Heaven Up Here is way overrated.
Either way, I'd say Porcupine's at least better than the selftitled album, even though I like that one too.
although according to some reviews it looks like Porcupine is the least admired of them all, which I don't understand either. It's arguably as good as Ocean Rain, if not better.
Maybe it's because it was their first album to contain 'neo-psychedelia' which some post-punk purists didn't like? I don't know. It sounds a lot more produced than Crocodiles and Heaven Up Here (which I agree is overrated).
I generally see Porcupine get good, but not great ratings while the fanbase expresses general disappointment for reasons I don't really get. While the neopsychedelia was ramped up on the album, it wasn't really that out of place for them.
Are classic, 9/10 or 10/10 albums that have endured and still sound brilliant today. None of them are 'duds'.
Porcupine is a record that starts with The Cutter, Back of Love and My White Devil. A lot of bands would kill for a 'dud' like that
Didn't mean to imply that I think it's a bad album (though i suppose the word dud does suggest that :D) but for me it's a decent album amongst a batch of stone cold classics. The opening 2 tracks are up with their best but there's a big drop in the quality of the songwriting after that, it's all a little disjointed to me. Anyone that thinks it touches 'OC' or 'HUH' is trippin'.
To Heaven Up Here, which I've always found a bit hard going. Neither of them are quite as good as Crocodiles or Ocean Rain.
All great albums though, one of the best and most consistent runs of early albums ever.
What does everyone think of the fifth album?
I find it odd that it's not included in their Golden Era. Ian leaving seems to be a good demarcation line for that.
I think it's a bit overly polished and some tracks are fairly sketchy, but I think some of it is quite good. I prefer it over Heaven Up Here still.
but a couple of questionable tracks and some that feel a bit too polished.
I find it somewhat odd that we're not including in their Golden Era as it seems like Ian leaving is an obvious demarcation line for the end of their era. I'd still put it ahead of Heaven Up Here.
...I think the 5th is poor, over-produced and forgettable tunes. Sounds very dated as well. 'Evergreen' was a real return to form and although the peaks of 'Porcupine' are higher, i find 'Evergreen' an easier an more enjoyable album to listen to all the way through.
A lot of fairly forgettable ones. Over-produced and a bit bland.
Always liked the singles but not thought much of the album as a whole
Kind of a bit inconsistent as a whole. Not that I disagree with your entry....
Yes I know what you mean re. inconsistency but between '91 & '04 they released 'Screamadelica', 'GOBDGU', 'Vanishing Point', 'XTRMNTR', and 'Evil Heat'. In that company it's very much the dud.
Self Portrait and New Morning by Bob Dylan
Would say those two albums (and maybe John Wesley Harding) signalled the end of Dylan's golden era, with Blood On The Tracks being an anamoly.
I'd put his golden age as Freewheelin' to Blonde on Blonde...everything else is a bit 'fans only'.
than the classic "electric" Dylan albums
is great but non essential. He has a few other really good album up till 'Desire'. Even his 90s stuff is pretty good, but I wouldn't force anyone to listen to it. But this is all testament to how consistently great Dylan was in his prime. Every album from Freewheelin' to 'Blonde on Blonde' is essential, and I include the often forgotten Another Side' in that.
which album would you recommend as a starting point?
There are songs on Blonde on Blonde I really like, but that's about it.
I think they are his two most accessible. Blonde on Blonde is my favorite though.
but is still really good.
It's not their most consistent work but surely contains enough strong signature R.E.M. moments to avoid it from dud-status? Losing My Religion, Near Wild Heaven and Shiny Happy People (whether you like that song or not) are so damn essential. The remaining tracks don't reach those highs but are still palatable.
I think it's an 8 out of 10 album (but not a high 8... maybe 8.1).
The alternative front cover would've been better too.
For that alone: not a dud
It for me its bad songs are bad enough to stop me ever really wanting to listen to it all the way through. Near Wild Heaven is a great song though.
The Rolling Stones - Their Satanic Majesties Request
The Beatles - Yellow Submarine
Pink Floyd - Obscured by Clouds
The Clash - Give 'Em Enough Rope (not sure actually. Does anyone know if this one's a dud?)
Its a bit over produced and was thus criticised at the time because it didnt sound as raw as the debut.
is a great, great album. It would have been out of kilter with its time but it is packed full of great songs, gusto and is a direct influence on (latterly) generationally similar bands like the Manics. Obscured By Clouds is decent too.
but from the period from Meddle through The Wall, it is the weaker album. Though I don't think Animals is too far off.
Better than WTWH for me, and probable more enjoyable than The Wall as well.
Agree that Obscured by Clouds is probably the weakest in that sequence from Meddle onwards, but then it IS a soundtrack album, and does have Wots Uh the Deal which is lovely.
Probably my 3rd favourite Pink Floyd album after DSoTM and Meddle.
What does everyone think about The Piper at the Gates of Dawn to Atom Heart Mother? Is that period considered part of their golden era?
pretty much a different band particularly where the first 2 albums are concerned.
After Saucerful of secrets they took quite a while to find their sound/direction again post-Barrett until Meddle.
After that they obviously got huge and became a different proposition entirely. One that was incredible (for a while) in a totally different way, before inter-band relations, shifting musical trends and general middle-aged comfort numbed their edge and left them pretty irascible, inward-looking and, it has to be said, dull.
Piper is still my favourite, but there's loads of great stuff in the later albums all the way up to The Final Cut, which is just too depressing to enjoy for a whole host of reasons.
Meddle kind of included. I think that era is basically PF trying to figure out where to go after their main songwriter was kicked out. I think it's generally a good period, but not nearly as good as Piper nor Meddle - TheWall.
I've said it before, but I think Animals is fairly bereft of ideas. I generally like it, but each track generally plays out like a much shorter track played twice as a way to fill up an album length.
I've never liked that album. I'd say they are best encapsulated on Live At Pompeii. I do like all of their albums up to and including The Wall and did a review of them all on my blog ages ago. With a backdrop of Punk happening at that time Animals is a real turkey. The Wall at least acknowledges music shifts.
which is REALLY overlong and very maudlin.
However, I think we can all agree that Live at Pompeii is fantastic.
Here's my take on their albums (up to and including The Wall) from a while ago if anyone's interested.
but I think The Wall suffers from the inverse of Animals' fault: a lack of ideas traded in for a lot of ideas, some of which just don't work.
But even with all the filling, I think The Wall has far better moments and at least seems like the band is willing to tackle some grandiose ideas where Animals seemed kind of half-assed.
hear you talking trash about Their Satanic Majesties Request like that.
Not because Plastic Letters is a great record (it's not) but because it's not a dud amongst classics.
I don't think there is much to choose between the first two albums, the debut's probably a bit stronger than PL but not much - they're both fun, interesting and uneven and both completely over shadowed by Parallel Lines and Eat to the Best.
Can - Soundtracks (Monster Movie - Soon Over Babaluna, if I'm being generous)
Velvet Underground - Loaded
As is Loaded. I actually prefer it to White Light/ White Heat
some good, some meh.
Because the tracks were mostly written to order for commercial use. It's much more structured and conventional sounding than their other records. It's also less coherent because it is essentially a compilation and because it has contributions from Malcolm Mooney and Damo Suzuki.
I really like it though - I listen to it much more than I listen to Monster Movie, more probably than any Can record except Future Days.
Considering your contention about Loaded (below) I actually think that Soundtracks would be liked more than that it is if it were the only Can record - it would be considered as a fun, interesting curio of 70s German experimentation rather than being compared to the serious weight of the rest of their early records.
I prefer to it Future Days, probably. never really got into that album fully though
as opposed to Loaded's reputation.
I think it's mostly the hodgepodge nature of it and with only a few tracks sounding fully formed. Even Mother Sky feels a bit patched together to me.
Loaded is an amazing record
I think Loaded is a good album, but it's bested by like every alternate track on the second disc of the Fully Loaded version or Live 1969. Also some of the songs are just shit (Head Held High, Lonesome Cowboy Bill).
I'm fully convinced that if Loaded was VU's only album, absolutely no one would care for it.
They certainly wouldn't have had anything like the impact on popular musi that they have had (because Loaded is, at heart, a fairly conventional late 60s/early 70s rock album) but there are enough great songs on Loaded that it would always have an audience.
at it's best it's right up there with anything else they've done.
But will agree that it has a couple of duff moments, never really been able to get on board with Lonesome Cowboy Bill.
Have never listened to the Fully Loaded version, so I'm going to go off and do that now on your recommendation.
I find it hard to take it seriously and view it as a dud.
Thirteen is surely the dud?
it's always felt really weak to me, especially when stacked up against Bandwagonesque and Grand Prix.
is a fucking brilliant album. Baffled as to why so many Cure fans knock it. Much better than The Head on the Door IMO.
Depeche Mode - Music for the Masses
Tindersticks - Curtains (not really a dud as such but below the standard of the albums that came before & after)
Morrissey - Kill Uncle
Tindersticks II > Curtains > Tindersticks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything else
Simple Pleasure > Tindersticks 2 > Tindersticks > Something Rain >>>everything else
proves you're deluded. Opinion = INVALID
Something Rain is absolute quality, an amazing return to form from a band everyone thought had put themselves out to pasture. Saw them on tour in 2011 & they were a band reborn.
Summer Sun heralded a slightly less golden era for YLT. Like, I don't think I Am Not Afraid Of You... or Popular Songs are anywhere near their best work from the 90s, even though they've both got a few really great tracks. So much genre exercise filler on both.
Fade on the other hand is just incredible, so hopefully they're fully back to their best now.
It's like a primer on everything Yo La Tengo are great at. Personally I don't think they've made an album that was less than pretty good since Painful.
the best of the beatles. not sure if this joke works but gave it a shot.