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It's a good album, isn't it? DiScus.
8/10, flawed masterpiece. It's their most interesting album and has an unusual polished punk roughness to it throughout that I like. Some of the songs fail (the Repeats and Damn Dog), but they kind of enhance album by making the rest of the it seem better. The tracks are consistently pretty good and some of the underrated ones are glorious (So Dead, Crucifix Kiss, Condemned to Rock 'n' Roll). It's a decent Britrock 90s album that deserves a place on your shelf if you're a fan of that kind of music.
My advice would be to get the CD and look at some of the artwork in the lyric book; it improves the experience a bit.
I worshipped them. I thought they were so cool; intellectual, pretentious, dangerous, unique. I actually cringe when I look at their lyrics now, mostly because I can't relate to that degree of postured nihilism. Every time I see Nicky Wire with his died hair, dressed like one of those piss-heads that prop up smelly watering holes in Camden, I get a wave of embarrassment about my folly of youth.
I tried to re-listen to GT as well as Gold Against The Soul and even The Holy Bible a few months ago and I had the realisation that actually, they were just really really bad.
So the shit songs make the good songs sound better? If only more bands employed this ingenius technique!
But the presence of flawed tracks does something to an album that can work (The White Album, this). I don't know, isn't there an expression that goes "the beauty is in the flaws" or something?
it is too long and too polished. I didn't realise the drums were programmed until recently (albeit with the samples taken from Sean Moore's actual drumming). But that is the sound they were going for and they wanted a debut double album so there you go.
To me it sounds like what MSP were at that time: unworthy of 78 minutes of attention, speaking before thinking, exciting and ambitious but patchy.
And underneath it all are the signs that James Dean Bradfield is adept at some excellent guitar work.
However flawed or bloated it may be, it deserves no ridicule. Few bands have a song as good as Motorcycle Emptiness on their first album.
But if I was new to the Manics and listened to all their other 90s albums first, then came across this 78 minute monster, I'd be astonished at how punky and bloated it is in comparison to everything they've done since.
Have we all been duped?
But I single-handedly destroyed most of them in 2006 by posting thousands of threads, 99% of which were me pretending to be racist for comic effect.
Wait, you aren't the OP as well?
just saw below. Not entirely convinced but just ignore this question.
an unbiased opinion on this album, I get nostalgic feelings whenever this is mentioned, like falling in love for the first time
But 9.1/10. What a debut.
P.S. The OP is not me.
Rocket Queen from Appetite from Destruction. But I still like it.
That took me ages to like (I had probably turned off by then) but now it is probably my favourite song on the record. I just wince at things like Stay Beautiful now.
made by and for bad people
Although I will always admire Richey for his lyrics, intellect and insight, there were a couple of anecdotes in the band biography ("Everything") that suggested he had a thing for underage girls :-/
but there's really no denying you are a bad person
"Every man would like to fuck a thirteen-year-old", perhaps jokingly and for media attention (well it WAS Richey!) but given recent news events, it's not something I'd feel comfortable with celebrities even joking about these days.
2. When the Manics toured Thailand in the GT years, he disappeared to a controversial red light district and used prostitutes. Now I'm not saying they were necessarily underage at all, but when asked to explain his actions compared with the militant anti-sexism of Manics songs like Little Baby Nothing, he said something like "Well, we sent kids up chimneys in Victorian times, this is just exploitation on a wider scale..."
Yes I remember those interviews. I was surprised more wasn't made of that quote at the time. Not saying he was wrong to say it or that I think it was indicative of him having those tendencies himself but I still thought it was a shocking thing to say but it went completely unchallenged. might just be something he genuinely believed though, i thought he was fairly asexual tbh. Re the Thailand article, the interviewer asked Richey if the prostitute was underage and he said no. She then asked what would he have done if he'd been presented with an underage girl and he said he wouldn't have remotely considered it and would have walked out.
Generation terrorists? Very good, there's a corking 10 track album in there that would have nearly been as good as the 1st van Halen album.