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"But I’m in an indie band – why do I need this punchy, affordable, portable gear for making acid, crunk, techno and footwork?" To which I say, "Yes. Exactly."
good stuff Doran, good stuff.
given how cheap they are, esp.
I did kind of lol a bit when I saw it was writen by TheQuietus dude who gave Grumbling Fur a #1 on the end of year list. They just sound like a home made prog rock Alfie tribute band by ex-members of Embrace who got toy synths for Christmas.
But yeah anything to give indie a kick up the arse what tips would you give?
Every single paragraph I read had some reference. Its not edgy vice
this isn't about vice its about making your indie band not suck in 2014 or is it all perfect as it is?
I know perhaps I'm trivializing the argument somewhat but literally every year the same comments come up about 'indie' music and how it lacks innovation and it seems to come down to the fact that people listen to the same bands because they discovered them by looking at the same blogs that they do year after year.
I'm not saying that people writing these articles should all be reading the wire, but perhaps looking to somewhere other than p4k for all their music recommendations.
I know I don't but I'm not a critic like Doran is, he has to listen to a load of dreck all the time as people send promos. So yeah it makes a lot of sense to do an article like this. Plus no one would have to listen to boring stuff if the bands wern't boring so these are helpful hints.
surely this comes down to the fact that record labels who send out these promos are promoting bands with a certain kind of sound because that's the best way to maximize their profits. This doesn't correlate to a lack of diversity in the music scene.
Also, even just looking at some of the discussion on here there will surely always be 'boring' bands because people will always find bands that other people like boring.
its just a bit of fun, don't make it logical. Its blatently an opinion piece. I'm one of them goons that thinks there is something very lacking in the indie scene though, I mean there is in every genre somewhere, but esspecialy in indie, has been for years so yeah I'm all for people talking about that. It might one day lead to a good example of stuff that doesn't suck. But nope, people just moaning about vice and drug use. AT LEAST SOMEONE BOUGHT A BLOODY DRUM MACHINE!
I could be a little more lighthearted in my criticism it's just that even as satire I don't really feel like the piece is saying anything particularly new or insightful.
Not to mention as guntrip suggests further downthread, what is indie in this context? Whilst the author seems to conflate it with guitar music even a cursory look at most music publications/popular blogs will suggest that this isn't the case.
Is the better question, give some examples, maybe?
what he's mostly talking about: bands that wish they were the Libertines
what he's not talking about: A LOT OF OTHER MUSIC
he runs popular indie site TheQuietus he knows whats going on way deeper than that and never once mentions any libertine-esq business. You know maybe be more positive and give a good example instead of saying anything but The Libertines that would have been a good call if it was fifteen years ago.
I'll start you off...
Micachu & The Shapes, or owt she does really. Inventive as all hell, really fun, defo indie. Any examples?
Give them a listen
yet again though you're setting the world on fire with good indie suggestions to back up your point though. No one got any examples?
I think I've probably engaged with this lazy piece of clickbait journalism enough now.
dont take stuff so serious and go off and sulk cos someone said silly things about indie, wheres the passion, wheres the fun, wheres the music? I've rounded it down to not the libertines, nice one haha.
so all the indie baby faces can come and talk about the good shit to save the day cos there has been thread after thread about depressing music, playlists on depressing music for the new year, end of year lists going on for days with no real chat. Some one needs some sillyness up in this shit to get things going.
Fine you don't know any good music just say it and move on. haha
here is a completely unexhaustive list of 50 bands making excellent indie* music.
*where indie, here, is 'vaguely song based'
ace bushy striptease
hunx and his punx
malakait dan singa
ravioli me away
Saturday looks good to me
slum of legs
the choo choo trains
the hidden cameras
the just joans
the middle ones
the secret history
thee oh sees
tokyo police club
tropic of cancer
Piano stuff is a little bit lift music, the other bits are nice enough but still just above phone advert levels of just being there. Boyzone was alright, in a SNES RPG soundtrack done at home for a John Lewis advert kind of way. Lovely production though, fits nicely as a soup of subtle dreamy vibes.
Ace Bushy Striptease
Twee cluster fuck, couldn’t get on with that at all. Sounds like a few bands playing at once out of time. Like you think its gonna go mega catchy pop then the other band comes in like a sound check gone wrong in another room with a louder PA. Nowt new hear, sounds like any old DiS indie band of the last loads of years.
Miniature Sonic Youth, with dweeby one tree hill vibes. Feel like I’ve already heard it somehow.
Pretty nice home spun electro vibes but it sounds a bit cliché to be fun for me, like I’d heard the tracks before but now they’re done in a tin can and a little fuzzy. The ones without synth were beyond tedius. I did like the general production and aesthetic though.
I think this is the people anyway, I found a lot on CEOs of companies and this tucked in there. Kind of liked the big shiny twisted odd hi-fi noisy colourful madness of the instros, the vocals made it kind of cliché though, it went from pretty fun and inventive to cliché 80s-core buzz band.
Liked the slow pace, methodical, deep hazy home spun post-rock vibes. Reverb is wicked, sounds ace over all. Dig the voice. I still feel like I’ve heard it all before though somehow.
Nice enough dreamy home spun vibes. Really liked the track Living World, the odd looped cut up crackly backing and disjointed reverb heavy vocals was pretty nice in its own way, kind of liked the mellow take on the blitz on Night Wars. Its all so low key its hardly there, but maybe in a good way.
Cliché, homemade singer song writer stuff, heard it all before, not for me at all.
Mega twee, my goodness its twee, advert music.
Kind of liked how light weight it sounded, mega thin and one dimensional, they kind of owned it. The sunny yet I’ll stay in my bedroom vibes where strong with this one, sounded like watching Disney films in summer as a kid. So much of this stuff sounds so childish.
I can’t say I’m a fan of folky baroque electronics, but it does take the edge off the twee a bit. Nice enough background music, like if they where buskers I’d give them a quid.
Pretty cliché again, but it all works and is there. Overall sound is good, but its one I’ve heard a load before.
Hunx & His Punx
Killer name. Kind of twee, cliché. Not much musically to like, was fun though.
Water sounds like a dirty dark synth version of that take my breath away track from Top Gun, which I’m well up for until it goes all twee and homespun and like every other indie band. I kind of like that juxtaposition though. It’s going for something a bit different, dunno if it pulls it off much or in a way I’d listen a lot. But yeah they’re going for it.
Really dig the name. At least this has some energy to it, damn. Overall sound is a little thin but it works, might be better live, might not I dunno, might sound bigger, more aggressive and fun. It’s nice enough; kind of feel like I’ve heard it before but they’re doing it well. Didn’t mind the tweeness here, it had some energy behind it that didn’t sound as slacked off for the lolz as a lot of this stuff does and was way more fun and effective for it.
One of the few I’ve heard stuff from before. It’s all kind of slight and po-faced, nothing really catches me bar the odd sound. It’s pretty inventive and all that, really well put together but not much to love for me.
Nice brooding dreamy and slight. Liked it on the whole. Chilled as all hell but liked how restrained and experimental it was without being too off the wall. Real shiny and bright sounding. Glosolalia was pretty wicked. Will keep an eye on this one.
Malakait dan Singa
A load of sloppy jam band fun with a wicked duby inventive vibe without going all chin strokey, might be the only one so far with a little raw swagger and slink to it. Liked that it sounded like straight up rock’n’roll but with a twisted I’d not heard put to rock much at all, heard it a load in dub and all that but not here. Enjoyed it a load.
More bedroom punky business indistinguishable from a load of other stuff in this list and all over the place.
Kind of liked the sleezy synth pop vibes, sounded pretty cliché though, heard it before elsewhere a lot already. Found some folky electronic stuff too, which wasn’t that bad really, nice and hushed and homely with some sleeze in it still. Reminded me of The Books a little, pretty intrigued looks like a lot of ground is covered discog is massive.
More of that home spun bedroom punk, liked the accents though, gave a little edge to the twee, better than a lot of the homespun punk in this list despite sounding almost exactly the same, nice trick.
Tedious on the whole, it made my head itch with boredom. Meandering bedroom nothingness that teases you with something that almost sounds experimental for the first few second then turns to nowt.
Kind of dig this, sleezy, raw, a bit noisy, with freaky homemade electronic bollocks thrown in, sounds a bit off and odd but still way like a band doing stuff live. Has a dance punk band vibe to it that doesn’t sound like a shit LCD Soundsystem/DFA ripoff which is way overdue. Dug it.
Liked the energy of it, but felt like I’d heard it all before.
Cyberpunk rock’n’roll, kind of dug it. Fun stupid vibe that was dark, punky and sleezy. Energy was pretty good, would like to hear it real big live and beefy. Dudes voice was kind of slight but it still worked cos the instros where good enough.
Usual indie fodder. Not sure there is much else to say, clichéd, heard it before, dudes voice was hella bad too.
Ravioli Me Away
Kind of liked the haunting vibes, Cat Call almost sounds like an indie band doing a cover of a Mala track in their bedroom. Liked the vocal too, all pretty inventive and interesting if not a little homemade and slight for me at times. I would keep listening though, could develop into some cool stuff.
Experimental psychedelic jam house business, dunno kind of unmoved by it, as with a lot of this stuff sometimes its like it aint even there sometimes it really hits the spot. This hasn’t struck any kind of chord really, just nice background business.
Saturday Looks Good To Me
Indie fodder 101.
If I’ve got the right band they’re not a googler. Kind of like it, like the low slung simple post-punk driving drums and guitars. Kind of like a mini dance party. Kind of clichéd but still pretty good like. Had a low key pent up energy to it.
Slum of Legs
Mega bad recorded, but that defo gave it a vibe. Dunno if I can hear it well enough to get involved that much really, it made my ears squint. But the guitar tones where alright I think.
Again a ruff listen, like a punk cover of ye’olde pop on a dirty record. Nowt wrong with that, but I feel like I’ve heard it a load before a million times.
Shiny 80s pop pastiche with a twee edge, well not edge, no edge here, yeah heard it before.
The Choo Choo Trains
Not a fan of childlike tweeness in music, this has it by the bucket load and it creeps me out and makes me depressed the way its done here.
Could be them? Unless its one of the many metal bands with the name or any number of others? Didn’t mind what I heard, was kind of raw and energetic but yeah just there.
Again could be anyone, band aint a googler. Some shity country sounding band popped up a load so did this, which I’m guessing is more on track? I dunno sounds a bit feeble, cliché and sketchy.
The Hidden Cameras
Pretty tepid indie 101 business. The remix of Gay Goth Scene with French Kiss in it was at least fun and odd, bonus.
The Just Joans
Sounds like falling asleep to some phone adverts while someone has a moan.
Any old DiS member band: generic as all hell and sloppy like they hang out on the internet instead of going to band practise.
The Middle Ones
Mega twee, hurts my brain. Worst kind of open mic business.
The Secret History
Indie 101, mega cliché.
Quite like it, had some energy in the vocals, which a lot of this stuff really lacks. That played off the loose sloppy post-punky backing kind of worked at times. Not sure I’d go back though.
Thee Oh Sees
I’ve seen these talked about quite a lot on here, I even thought I had seen them once, but nope it was someone else indie. They’re alright, just kind of indie yeah in parts when they’re quiet. When they kick it up a little at least it has some energy and rawness. Not sure there is much new here, heard it before, but it works.
Tokyo Police Club
Heard of this lot, they seem to crop up in the general indie malaise a load. Yeah nowt to write home about, just another band being all indie, but they do kind of hit some really poppy notes, almost like euro trance pop done with guitars somehow. Not for me really.
Apparently toured with Dirty Beaches, who I do dig. Like the general messy hazy rawness that still has some energy to it somehow. When they get into some more psych-like long form grooves it aint bad, doesn’t really jump out at you either though.
Tropic of Cancer
I like the dark electro hazy vibes at work here, when its more upbeat or at least driving its pretty wicked, might have to sit longer with the low key stuff. I do enjoy that late night depressing 80s film noir electro vibe. I feel like I’ve heard stuff like it quite a lot before but still wouldn’t mind digging in.
Weak source DIY101 indie that sounds like no fun to me at all.
I do like a dinosaur in a name, but yeah this aint cool, generic indie rock everyone has heard before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RNvX428BNg / https://soundcloud.com/sacredbones/v-r-the-world-fell
Liked the dark synths and slightly distorted vibes, vocals where so bad that I might be interested to see where they go rather than be put off by them like in a lot of this stuff. Alright like.
It has a bit of energy to it, which is big time lacking in so much indie. But It made my ears grate a bit, just kind of mega indie cliché business as usual.
you're a machine.
by looking at more sides to the story, it'd be silly not to. I'm defo going back to a few of these too. Always dug fuckyeahs style and respect his taste even if I dont' match up liek hardly ever its wicked. Most of it though, damn, so much of it is so creepy and misreble to me, like real life grown ups pretending to be children creepy. shiver.
and omitting some of the heavier artists I'd say...
Future of the Left
The Modus Vivendi
Teeth of the Sea
Faint Wild Light
The Physics House Band
All released great music last year
legit going through all the suggestions from fuckyeah and you lot to see wot gwan.
Feel like I’ve heard this before even if I haven’t. Nice enough, sounds good, well made, voice is good n’all that, catchy if nothing else.
Future of the Left
Heard of these lot quite a bit. Never really got into them and somat off the new one sounds like a sophisticated take on nu-metal by an indie rock band. Don’t mind the effort, never really been for me though.
The Modus Vivendi
Generic indie rock 101, works, isn’t doing much different, sounds like you’d expect, well made, just kind of there. Seen them any number of times as support band, well could have done, it could be anyone.
A rubbish one to google even when you find an album name Weekend Sports, well done band, gone extra generic in the name, wonder if the music is any better... Its alright like, it has a rushy energy to it when it gets going. All kind of lo-fi drony usual indie-ness gets broken up nicely by that kind of thing.
Teeth of the Sea
I feel like I’ve heard this, I dunno sounds like Vangelis got stuffed into a band. Really like the super low slung sleezy bass playing in some of it. At least it sounds a bit futuristic in a retro/future kind of way, not heard much of that today doing this. Some of it works really well others are just kind of there.
Faint Wild Light
Ah this is Ginz who I know from Joker & Ginz, purple wow dubstep business and super experimental sound artist dub techno Emptyset. Heard he’d done a folky thing, not listened until now though. Not really getting a lot from it, sound design seems to have a nice load of stuff going on but nothing revolutionary. Might open up more in time who knows.
One of this lot has been releasing acid house stuff like Bintus the last few years at least which is pretty good dance floor fodder, it might even be one of the band I dunno. I’ve been aware of them for a while, I like how mad it is, nice and energetic and raw while still being mega shiny, has a bit of power to it. Never been moved by bits I’ve heard to explore a load though.
Usual dreamy retro indie 101 stuff again, this time with the odd late night country vibe to it. Mirage was alright otherwise I’m out.
Heard of this lot over the years, they’re alright, have some energy and can sound pretty off the wall at times. Not dissimilar to Chrome Hoof in vibe really, a bit more rock. Batshit inventive at times within the genre. Fun anyway.
The Physics House Band
Sounds like a lot of stuff that was on DiS in like 2006-ish? That post-rock mathy instro stuff. Build up, twist it into something else, stop start, rock out, cosmic, repeat. I feel like the ground has been covered a lot over the years and although this is well made its just you know another one doing that again.
More intsro math/post rock this time just two people though so that restraint stops them from going full on cosmic boring jam band to often. Like the rawness and energy of this a bit more. Its still very much of that mould I said above though.
Messy fuzzy kind of fun, pretty colourful, mathy, sounds well Big Scary Monster from years back. Kind of comforting that sort of thing is still going on, but yeah, its still going on.
Didn’t mind it, really intimate and distant all at once. I like some of the backing, the odd switch up and glitchy subtle atmospheric thing behind the usual guitar stuff works. Voice is pretty haunting, the reverb on it sometimes doesn’t work for me though. One you’d prob have to sit with quite a bit to really feel it.
whilst I've disagreed with you previously in this thread you have my respect for going through everything me and fyd posted.
there's so many different influences that you can pick out in their music from post-hardcore to math to dub.
Their latest EP is a little more straightforward but I'd still struggle to find many other bands that sound like them.
so yeah anything could change with time, plus I'm not mega well versed in a lot of this stuff so a load of the refrences might sound off if you know what you're on about. But yeah I'll listen to anything and give it a go, as shown haha. I defo found some stuff I want to keep an eye on. Its all I wanted from the thread that and sillyness. Yes I do have a lot of time on my hands at the moment.
'You don't need to take drugs'
But the excerpt from the review the Quietus put in their best of list was just silly: "Grumbling Fur make me want to take drugs"
Like reading a Will Self article.
at least it didn't have an eleven page intro like Quietus articles do before they get to the good bit though. This shit needs to be said though, something has to happen.
What counts as an indie band these days?
50 Nils Frahm - Spaces (19)
49 Steve Mason - Monkey Minds in the Devil's Time (19)
45 Earl Sweatshirt - Doris (20)
45 Savages - Silence Yourself (20)
45 Sigur Ros - Kveikur (20)
45 Torres - Torres (20)
44 James Blake - Overgrown (21)
42 Daft Punk - Random Access Memories (23)
42 Laura Marling - Once I Was An Eagle (23)
41 Yo La Tengo - Fade (24)
40 John Grant - Pale Green Ghosts (25)
38 Foals - Holy Fire (26)
38 Pissed Jeans - Honeys (26)
36 Mikal Cronin - MCII (27)
36 Tim Hecker - Virgins (27)
34 Bill Callahan - Dream River (28)
34 Deerhunter - Monomania (28)
32 baths - obsidian (30)
32 Frightened Rabbit - Pedestrian Verse (30)
30 Darkside - Psychic (32)
30 Moderat - II (32)
28 Arctic Monkeys - AM (34)
28 Local Natives - Hummingbird (34)
27 65daysofstatic - Wild Light (35)
26 Waxahatchee - Cerulean Salt (36)
25 The Knife - Shaking the Habitual (37)
24 Julianna Barwick - Nepenthe (40)
22 CHVRCHES - The Bones Of What You Believe (42)
22 Moonface - Julia With Blue Jeans On (42)
21 Kurt Vile - Wakin on a Pretty Daze (43)
20 My Bloody Valentine - MBV (46)
18 Julia Holter - Loud City Song (49)
18 Paramore - Paramore (49)
17 Parquet Courts - Light Up Gold (51)
15 Fuck Buttons - Slow Focus (52)
15 Money - Shadow of Heaven (52)
14 QOTSA - ...Like Clockwork (53)
12 Hookworms - Hookworms (56)
12 Run The Jewels - Run The Jewels (56)
11 Deafheaven - Sunbather (69)
10 Kanye West - Yeezus (70)
9 Arcade Fire - Reflektor (73)
8 Future of the left - How to lose your brain in an accident (91)
7 These New Puritans - Field of Reeds (95)
6 Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds - Push the Sky Away (104)
5 Boards of Canada - Tomorrow’s Harvest (113)
4 Los Campesinos! - No Blues (119)
3 Vampire Weekend - Modern Vampires of The City (131)
2 Jon Hopkins - Immunity (139)
1 The National - Trouble Will Find Me (183)
which to be fair is only a slightly more descriptive term than indie bands.
Christmas & b'day cash gone already
which surprised me.
Basically just saying: be sincere, try and do good stuff. Nothing wrong with that, and anyone naysaying here is basically proving him right.
if it wasn't just playing on a boring stereotype of what an "indie band" is.
see also: that Vice night out video at the "indie club".
it's just a really reductive way of looking at an entire and vast genre of music
imagine your own funeral after a car crash. Pay particular attention to how hysterically grief-stricken your mother becomes during the priest’s eulogy, when he says: “Gav was the bass player in Rizla King who were a bit like Drenge but without the blistering personality and great dress sense.” Your mum doesn’t want you to be in Rizla King. I don’t want you to be in Rizla King. Sort it the fuck out.
instead of Joy Division and The Cure
Instead of Joy Division
so I need to get a drum machine, listen to more Algerian disco, practice a lot, don't do drugs (but do some drugs), don't get a silly name and I am done.
though I'm a little concerned about the apparent contradiction in telling bands not to chase fads and then recommending they all go out and buy Volca bass/beats/keys
but how do they apply specifically to indie and not to all other genres? Is indie in some especially bad phase right now that all other music has managed to avoid?
on the whole its always in a way more stiffled state of inertia than any other modern genre thats still really active. Really happy to sit in its own rut for decades on end. Which is wicked if you like that kind of thing, but pretty boring if you want to move on a bit every now and again.
You could defo do one of these for dance music n'all but its prob not quite as urgent because its a bigger more diverse genre that's a lot younger.
Dance music one would prob go something like.
A is for analogue: Just because you have old equipment with a history, it doesn't mean your shit sounds good or you have any good ideas. etc.
modern 'indie' pretty much emerged in the mid 1980s, which is when electronic music also started to kick off. no dice there, cappy.
it just feels like its gone on forever when you listen to it, like its always been there and sounded exactly the same. Guess thats why I said that.
you've got spoons like this saying shit like that: http://thump.vice.com/words/techno-girl-problems-i-hate-explaining-my-taste-in-music-to-normal-people
'Techno Girl Problems: I Hate Explaining My Music Taste to Normal People'
but all genres aren't equaly creative at all times, I'd argue that indie is on a big time downward curve. Even the really good stuff sounds like something else, like a lot like something else. Its flatlined creativly. Where as even the generic stuff of other genres seems to move on a lot quicker and throw up stuff thats interestign more often becuase it keeps moving and finds new ideas diffrent ways to play on influences rather than doing them over and over again.
it's a genre that doesn't suit neophiles and trend-driven genre hoppers.
like, i literally couldn't give two flyings about most of what you've said, because by and large this nebulous idea of "progression" isn't something that automatically interests me. in terms of my "listening experience" it isn't in any way a substitute for genuine passion and emotion. music isn't objective, it's subjective.
its diversity, something indie lacks much of the time. You can still get the emotion and passion from things that move along, its new ways of showing those emotions. Why stick to one tried and tested method when a new way of exploring simular feelings may make you see it in a diffrent way. Why just rake it over again in a really simular way when you can flip it with a whole new pallet of sounds and methods. Nothing wrong with either way of course, I'm always just talking about my opinion. Just wish indie had more of that spirit, exploration, joyess maddness looking for new ways to say things instead of being set in its ways. So much potential in the genre, yet it hardly ever gets explored.
you've got vampire weekend fucking around with afrobeat stuff. gang gang dance doing absolutely everything at the same time. deerhunter (YAY) throwing together elements of punk and kraut and shoegaze. m83 doing similar except with a sheen of john hughes movies. i'm quoting just a couple of big names, sure, and i'm certain you'll come back with "oh they're just recycling sounds" but they're not. they're taking a cultural history and reinterpreting it and combining it and making it their own.
look, it's clearly just not a genre you're big on. that's cool. it affects nobody else. you'd have to like everything. i'm just so utterly bored of you constantly stating this as if it's some kind of objective fact.
why would I. Just chatting music on a music site. In the hope people join in with examples so cool shit can be found, so far two people have examples, ace must be loads of good stuff going on then hey.
Gang Gang Dance are wicked yeah, mainly cos they take so much from dance music and electronic fields and dont fall into the usual pitfalls of going really retro with it and sounding like LCD Soundsystem or whatever old band they ripoff that week. They're an exception the proves the rule. They sound modern, which is oddly rare in indie and something really missing. Its a wicked way to paint with new colours. Where I like Deerhunter they're always comfort food as a listen, familuar stuff just done well. Nowt wrong with wanting more than that, genres thrive when that stuff happens its why most of them are here in the first place.
it's just that John Doran is a lazy writer so has to set up ad hoc straw men to explain why he definitely, really, literally, swear on his mothers' life, LOVES the latest Vatican Shadow cassette