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don't get it AT ALL.
they were just on the radio is why I bring it up.
I think they were really important (a long time ago) and part of the development of electronic music, helping shape it to some degree. Also released some brilliant records. I'm not a huge fan but to say they're terrible is way off the mark. They definately need to call it a day though, in fact they probably should have quit for good about 15 years ago.
I really like Crystal.
quit when they were ahead, which was just after Crystal was released !
But Substance/Singles are both brilliant.
"COOOME OOOOON!!!! ...mumble mumble mumble..."
Was really hoping that Billy Corgan would have joined them full time and they would have become a sort of cross between The Cure and Depeche Mode... alas...
and what they actually sound like.
do you know what I mean? probably not
Peter Hook is a fucking mess right now.
Don't really like anything apart from the Power, Corruption and Lies album and a few singles.
he was a prick
i liek new order tho, soem of there stuff is beautiful, i'll concede a fair amount is guff tho - and whythefuckaretheystuillgoing
there's a sense of "we're a big fucking deal y'know" that accompanies everything I've heard.
I'm probably just making stuff up now
imo, some of the best of New Order can be found on the second cd of the Movement reissue: Ceremony, Temptation, Procession, Hurt, Everything's Gone Green, etc ... that glorious period when they were experimenting with electronic sounds and merging them seamlessly with guitars, drums and Peter Hook's distinctive melodic basslines ... Power, Corruption & Lies, Low Life (my favourite) and to a slightly lesser extent Brotherhood are all very fine albums too
Technique is usually cited as their best album but for me that's where the rot set in, as they started moving away from what they do best and trying to be a more straightforward dance/pop band - with the odd great single notwithstanding, they've released little since that stands up to their early stuff ... and as a live band, with Barney's increasingly embarrassing dad-dancing and whooping, they are probably best avoided (although even so, they can still have their sublime moments)
personally, I don't have an issue with Hooky and having read his books and seen him live I think he has just became disenchanted with this latter era of New Order and is genuinely trying, with some success, to showcase them at their best ... which is not to deny that he can still be a bit of a dick, but his heart is in the right place, I think
i see what you're getting at. and Movement CD2 > all other New Order
I didn't know about that Movement re-issue and will check it out now thanks. (I do remember the mentioned tracks Everything's Gone Green, Temptation, etc and this was the band coming into their own). Despite Power, Corruption & Lies being their iconic album (rightly too) I'd agree that Low Life is their best album - or the most fun listen and most likely to get played - it's an effortlessly great album.
Can't help think japes is joking with this thread. Hard for any music lover not too like New Order at least. Blue Monday, when it came out was my first real wake up call to music as a 13 year old - its still sounds just as great today.
admits he's an alcoholic, fine but he also just comes across as a completely vacant headed twonk
But they have some cracking singles. Actually looking at it, basically it is just Power Corruption And Lies that I like, even that has poor bits. Their first one is alright also. Aside from that I would give them all a miss apart from maybe a best of.
is actually really good because they sound a bit like Joy Division. Never really gotten into the rest of their stuff.
but then they wrote it when they were Joy Division didn't they.
Everything up to including Technique is pretty much essential.
They shoulda folded in '89 though.
Hard to pick between that and Regret as their best.
Ah, a most splendiferous eve.
Seriously though: Ceremony, Mesh, Regret, Crystal, Bizarre love triangle, Blue Monday, Temptation, True Faith... that's 8 of the best pop dance songs ever written already
and they're all repeatedly just embarrassing themselves now
really dated though, eh
I guess their sound has dated a bit yeah... some of the effects sound a bit of their time. But I'd say that's true of most early electric guitar records, early hip hop scratching and beats, Kraftwerk, etc. Doesn't stop the songs beneath that being solid.
in the last 10 years has made a lot of the stuff that might have sounded dated previously sound pretty fresh and clean
then again, the first time I heard Blue Monday, which was before any of that, I thought it sounded great still
unlike this song:
and are they really responsible for "the development of electronic music"? I'd say that electronic music would've developed fine without them (keeping in mind that it was fairly developed by the early 1980s). New Order are responsible for the development of terrible indie dance bands like Metronomy.
Someone else may have said that but I can't be arsed to read all the posts again.
hence why they're my exhibit A for why I generally don't care about poor lyrics if I like the music enough.
They played Round and Round earlier today. Fucking abysmal song...
New Order are essential.
Like every band, without exception, they are of their time, and that was a long time ago.
But they were the best band of that time, without a doubt.
So is everybody here too young to remember the 80s?