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So what are Death Grips on with?
http://www.nme.com/news/death-grips/71873
Doing stunts is one thing but what is the suicide note all about?
It's almost as if they did all this for people to write about on music foru... oh I see.
As you were.
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they're not quite the KLF
are they
I read this on Pitchfork on the train this morning
and it actually made me quite angry for some reason. Twats.
This is kind of great
funny to cancel a non-show
it's a bit irritating like
it's not like getting to a live show requires no effort and they clearly have quite a dedicated fan base, it's one thing to cancel the show it's another just not to show up and not tell anyone.
cringeworthy
as if a project/product with zach hill in it isn't bad enough alone.
Hmm.
obvious troll is obvious
it's getting really embarrassing now
it's starting to make me ashamed for ever liking them in the first place
pricks
I'm not quite as far down that road as you
but I'm heading in that direction. It's becoming pretty difficult to retain any respect for them at the moment.
this was kind of my impression after No Love Deep Web
I liked Money Store, but after the weird attempts at being obscene coupled with a not that good album, I just really haven't had the desire to go back to their music.
This is pretty funny
also, listened to I've seen footage last night, great song.
They definitely know how to
create the ultimate hype around themselves. Pretty hilarious.
Thought they were well good at Primavera
Even with them dropping the live drumming, which seems to be a big part of their USP... Maybe even better actually.
At least they're great live, and show up a fair bit. Which puts them somewhere above Zomby (who barely ever shows up) and MF DOOM (who's terrible when he does) in the list of no-show trolls.
They seem to try awfully hard to convince everyone just how little they give a shit, don't they?
How very "punk" of them.
i think they're great, musically
and the three times i've seen them live have been fucking awesome.
i'm never going to buy tickets to see them ever again though. last tour didnt even have zach hill
also, talking of him
it's very weird to see someone go from being in hard touring, DIY avant garde stuff to being a major label musical troll
:( the same guy that played drums whilst surfing the crowd at ATP
has become the same guy joining a band full of bellends
UGHH!
KILLING IN THE NAME OF
whuh
death grips is only really zach and mc ride
was ian williams not a fully fledged member before?
made this mistake the other day and got shot down
was ian williams ever anything to do with them?
have i gone mental?
ian williams from battles?
nothing to do with them. it's hill, mc ride and another guy who afaik doesnt do anything, just basically controls their backing track, probably contributes to the production a bit. at first i thought the pther guy was the producer, but i've read interviews where his contribution is played down completely
welp, dunno where i got that from
irrelevant NME band.
guys, last time i checked bands not giving a fuck was cool
depends what they're not giving a fuck about
they give too much of a fuck about not giving a fuck
reeks of effort
last time i checked you were on the bedwetterest forum on the internet
last time i checked fabricating suicide notes for a stunt wasn't really the same thing as 'not giving a fuck'
Funk as puck
Its always funny to see people get their pants in a bunch over stuff like this.
most of the reaction i've seen to this
has been along the lines of withering disdain rather than anything approaching pants in a bunch. but yeah, play the THEY'RE PUNK AND THEY'RE TROLLING U GUIZ card.
^ irked
^ defensive fanboy
I haven't defended anything
i'm not irked
It's even funnier to read the inevitable post like thi.... oh, wait.
absolutely no one has got their pants in a bunch
its just a bit sad isn't it? they must be well into their thirties if not forties, way too old to be doing for these attention-craving gimmicks.
indeed, the word needy springs to mind.
there are at least 7 people in this thread alone
getting their pants in a bunch
band I liked, behaving like absolute dicks
mild disappointment. Understand?
It's always funny to see people try to be the first to denounce people for getting their pants in a bunch over stuff like this
Basically everyone itt has their pants bunched about something itt
proper deaths, proper grips, great bunch of lads
Proper lads, proper noided
IT GOES- IT GOES- IT GOES- IT GOES- IT GOES- IT GOES- IT GOES- IT GOES-
NO IT DON'T!!!!!! LOLZ. HURRGHH!
more like Death Gripes amirite
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I'm sure I'd have found it side-splitting hilarious if I'd traveled between cities to see them, spending money and an evening of my life in the process, for them to do that. Oh, how I'd have laughed. Nearly as much as they'll be laughing when no-one will book them to play and no-one wants to buy their music anymore.
Quite the laugh riot all round.
And every single person there can now say "I was at that Death Grips show"
So it can't be all bad. It may be a blip in the history of music, but anyone who knows anything about Death Grips in the future will know about that show, and it will be some pretty fierce street cred to have BEEN there, and to not have had to read about it on some blog.
and in the end, isn't that what music is all about?
Are you taking the piss?
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I don't think anyone will give a flying fuck about this show or Death Grips in general in the future, frankly. It's not exactly the stuff of legend. It's just yet another hyped scene-band behaving like wankers before everyone forgets they ever existed.
Okay, how do I put this:
I completely understand why everyone is very much mad about this, and if it were me, I'd be goddamn furious. However, there's something somewhat romantic about it. How many op-ed pieces have any of us read on shows we've been to this year? A normal show where everything goes off without a hitch is completely normal. But there's something bizarrely cool about having been to THAT show. Bands cancel all the time, but how many bands inspire their fans to hop on stage and destroy (what they think to be) their equipment? That's pretty unusual, isn't it?
Death Grips are a band that are forever cutting off their noses to spite their faces, but you sorta have to respect a band that does whatever the fuck they want, despite how bad it looks. You can't call it a publicity stunt; nobody is going to want to go see them now. Why did they do it? Good fucking question.
The way I see it, the whole thing is a turning point for that band. That show is a big ol' mark in the timeline of that band, and if they burn out or keep going forever, that mark will always be there. As said, I'd be mad as hell if I were in that crowd. But if that band keeps doing what they're doing, and making fantastic, abrasive, dangerous music, they're going to be around for a good while, and anyone who was at that show - provided they still like the band after that level of scorn - is going to remember being present for that turning point.
It isn't about music. It's about performance. And the lack of the artist in this performance, which turned into what it turned into, is something pretty fucking interesting.
So, yeah, that's me.
Nicely put.
For a while I've been worrying that their career path was going the same way as that apsolutely shite trust fund cunts Salem, who managed to piss away all the goodwill and vibes their parents' money could buy - but I do actually admire Death Grips' spirit, I don't see why being a fan of them should be an easy ride if the base material is that abrasive and confrontational. They will keep us guessing and then probably just disappear, and that's the type of artist legacy that will get written up in ten years ad nauseum in Mojo, these mental shouty blokes with a ruimentary grasp on how to work Ableton, rack up millions of legal and illegal downloads, fuck over a major label and keep their fans trapped in a love/hate relationship til they get bored and give up.
After show parties make me a bit sick in my mouth anyway.
i would disagree that it is 'pretty fucking interesting'
it's gimmicky and says nothing. I'm not buying that it's not a publicity stunt - they are a band that is acutely aware of their public image and goes to great lengths to cultivate this.
the album leak, the dick on the cover, the no shows, the suicide note, it's all easy, 'controversial', attention seeking and vacuous. it stands for nothing except petulance.
i still quite like having them around, it's kindof fun to see people just behaving like dicks, and it's something to discuss on internet forums, wasting time at work, but that's really all there is to it. Some guys behaving like dickheads.
next time my train doesn't show up i'm going to rail to southern rail congratulating them on not giving a fuck.
`it stands for nothing except petulance` - is there any higher calling?
also, what on earth is that attempt at an analogy between rock bands and infrastructure companies?
well if you think it's cool people acting like dicks then that's cool
for me, i don't really see that as being a good enough reason it itself.
train thing was menat to say *write to them, and was just a lazy comparison between two businesses not delivering on the services they promise to consumers.
I think the fact that you describe a band's performance as a business delivering a service to consumers
might go some way to explaining why we're not agreeing on this
just realised this is chris-budget :D
as you were
i've done it again at the bottom of the thread
bd
It must be quite an honour to have been at a show they never played.
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All the people that had tickets for the other dates they planned to do this that have been pulled by promoters must be feeling absolutely devastated they've missed out on the opportunity to look at an empty stage.
Like Kyuss at the Borderline?
Yes I'm sure nobody will book them after this no-show i mean they have been so good about not flagrently cancelling tours with no notice in the past
it could be argued that cancelling a tour
where there's leeway for some of the expenses to be reclaimed, is better to just not showing up which leaves more people out of pocket.
I've got no problems with bands pranking their audience, really
Or even doing something unorthodox during a live show that makes that particular gig memorable (whatever that is). I do think that this is a bit of a lame prank, though.
it's a failed prank. If I were the venue I would have just let the planned anti-performance no-show happening instead of cancelling it in favour of literally nothing happening
Do people not like their most recent record?
I really like it. It has the kind of production Yeezus should have had.
it's ok
i'd just got a little bored by their schtick after so much material in such a short space of time. i don't really need two death grips albums per year
Clipping have the production Yeezus should have
Well, in the sense that if you told me there was an industrial rap album reduced by Rick Rubin... that's more what I'd have in mind. Not in the sense that I could actually see Kanye pulling it off.
wat
So Rick Rubin is known for minimal production right?
The typical sound being like Radio by LL Cool J. So how I'd picture an industrial rap album reduced by Rubin is more like Clipping than Death Grips
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4iejM77tHQ
ah, i've never heard of clipping
this sounds good tho, ta.
sounds a bit like deathgrips and jeezus
Yeah I realised immediately after I wrote it, it didn't make much sense without a link
or explanation :/
specially as "clipping" is one the main complaints people have about jeezus' production
still listening to this tho, it's great
and you're right, if you think of rick rubin mainly in terms of his old school stuff
They signed to indie darlings Sub Pop on the back of this record
SPs second hip hop signing after Shabazz Palaces. Will be interesting to see what they come up with.
Midcity is free for download on bandcamp too.
lol i called it "jeezus" twice
(n_n)
http://24.media.tumblr.com/1950bde09e894d814e698e1036922044/tumblr_mr6cc9QWD01r9kzh2o1_500.gif
best thing they've done
Y'all seem to think musicians owe us something
They don't. They don't owe us anything. Even if you have paid money.
There's no guarantee you're going to enjoy a gig and that's the chance you take. Ok, straight cancellations rightly result in punters getting refunds but in this case there WAS a show, just not the show people were expecting.
How boring would life be if you only got what you expected all the time.
i keep on reading this argument and i don't understand it at all
could you actually explain in what way a business doesn't owe you something if you pay for a service, and then that service isn't delivered?
:|
"There's no guarantee you're going to enjoy a gig"
to use your train comparison: you buy a train ticket and you get from A to B. if you don't get from A to B, you can get compensation.
you buy a concert ticket to enjoy the band's music. but they come on and play all the songs you don't like and none of the ones you do like. you don't enjoy yourself. you don't get compensation
i think that only works if the gig is advertsied as playing a specific set on songs
and then those specific songs don't get played
no
as stated, you go to a gig to enjoy the music
sometimes you don't enjoy the music
nope
there's nothing in buying a ticket to a gig that assumes i'll enjoy the music. I haven't paid to enjoy anything. I've paid to see the band play some music (however loosely you might interpret that), on a certain date, at a certain place. that's all. they can play whatever they like unless it's been specifically sold as an event covering certain songs.
actually can't believe i'm wasting my time on this
yes
I pretty much agree with you.
You do go to a gig expecting the band to turn up. Death Grips have been notorious for not showing though, so anyone buying a ticket is taking a risk. which is why I didn't bother getting one when they came to Brighton, after their last no-show. But at least there was some warning to that.
don't really know what my point is. This is just a no-notice no-show. Reckon they hastily arranged this art installation nonsense as some kind of cover. It really doesn't seemed planned, it's not well considered enough at all.
They can do it though, but what they put in place of a show has to be provocative or intriguing enough to make it work.
6th formers reject ideas like that one.
I can almost believe that it was a cover
But, then, why was there a children's practice drumkit on stage? I can't see Zach Hill wanting to play with one of those. I've seen Death Grips, I've watched him play. He'd destroy that fake kit more than the "fans" did.
So, why the hell was that there?
I suppose Fuzzy's argument is
the band pulling a no-show and just leaving their drum kit for the crowd to dismantle WAS the show and thus the band fulfilled their obligations.
I would say the attitude that musicians don't owe their fans anything even if they've paid them money is a troublesome one though, but that's possible an argument for a different thread.
yeah i get that
i just thing your getting into problematic areas when you start claiming that a 'no-show' is a 'show'.
it wouldn't be acceptable in other transactions so i'm not sure why it's acceptable when it's a band?
" claiming that a 'no-show' is a 'show'."
"I've paid to see the band play some music (however loosely you might interpret that)"
i'm bowing out now
i'm passed my stupid conversation threshold i'm afraid
DEFGRIPZ4LYFE
to be fair
i dont think what they've done is cool at all, just can see what people who are defending it are getting at
cos i'm well open minded
honestly, look up `art` and `business` in the dictionary or something
not mutually exclusive are they?
no
but crucially here they are different
Fuck
this is literally one of the worst arguments for or against anything I've ever read in my life.
don't suppose you're interested in a ticket to I'll Be Your Mirror?
This band should be filed under "genuinely really unpleasant music"
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This thread beggars belief. I wonder how people would feel if they went to the cinema and the screen stayed blank for 3 hours, then the lights went up? I don't see it as any different.
If people are happy to pay money to travel and go and see bands do this, that's up to them. Personally, I have better things to do with my time/money/life.
Didn't expect this thread to hit 100.
Yet still the first post covers it all.
Cheers!
GxMx
it's truly a masterful thread
and not just a link to an interesting article
Can I disown this thread...
...in the same way Black Eyed Peas disowned My Humps?
Probably not.
GUYS I THINK ITS IMPORTANT TO POST MORE ABOUT HOW ITS TERRIBLE THAT PEOPLE ARE/ARENT OUTRAGED BY
AND OUTRAGEOUS THING THAT A BAND DID THAT OURAGEOUSLY DIDNT WORK OUT RIGHT ANYAWY
^worst post in the thread by some distance
Thanks no
*an
haha all the #radicalmusicfans being like 'this is way #radical and #transgressive'
#performance #art #DG #trupunx
literally no one is doing that itt
New Blockaders 'Nichts Fur Niemand' drama > Death Grips no show drama > radiohead
Imagine Bon Iver not coming onstage to a sold out audience
What if RADHIOHEAD DID IT!??!!111?!!!?!!!
Is everyone now in agreement...
...that Death Grips are a bit shit?
no
Put out 3 good albums in space of 18 months.
Verdict: Not shit.