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made her seem like a real dick.
Without a single person listening to her music.
although that can be said of a lot - a LOT - of people married to people more famous than themselves, it's no crime.
Nonetheless she has a massive amount of fans.
though; same difference). Most people here seem to dislike her. I've been to quite a few of her shows over the years, the first being a Dresden Dolls gig at a half empty Scala years ago. She always puts on great gigs and her albums are all excellent. I'm not sure whether she expected such success via her Kickstarter and some of the backlash maybe due to the fact that some may have thought that she'd be philanthropic with all the cash. Others dislike her as a shameless self-promoter whatever she does. I'm on the fence on her personally but have enjoyed every gig that I've been to with her. She can write some great tunes.
her endless self publicity has made everyone VERY aware of the fact that she made more than 10 times what she needed to make her album and then asked people to play live with her for free. Maybe something to do with it, MAYBE
a fan of her music before she became a self-promoter. She even sold me a t-shirt at The Scala gig years ago. She seemed very nice (way back in 2005 maybe).
and fair play if she had have done. She reached 10 times the target. That's very different.
then surely the target is what you need?
I remember it being a lot fuller than half, as I was at the back
remember just walking up to about three rows from the front with absolutely no hassle or crowds. I was able to go to the loo/get a pint and back to the third row. The Dresden Dolls then became very big, very quickly after that gig.
cock, that one.
I like her, a lot. Anyone who doesn't like 'Leeds United' is just fucking weird if you ask me.
The Kickstarter she did was great and ripped nobody off - in fact it was an absolute bargain compared to just about anything you'll ever see on PledgeMusic. Her live shows are great. She's an exhibitionist? Great, she fronts a band, that's what I'd expect.
The amount of articles I've seen of late which start with the preconceptions, and follow it with "then I heard the music and/or saw a show and/or spent some time with her, and realised there was something behind it"...
So yeah, I'm an advocate.
as was evident in that thread
Perhaps I'm the only one from DiS that will be going.
I like her but she's not Springsteen. That's too long.
and that, coupled with the banality of the music's what rubs me up the wrong way.
It's the public equivalent of a trick an old flatmate played on us at uni where he woke everyone up at 6 shouting that there was a frog in the toilet upstairs, then quietly going and making himself a tea while we all ran upstairs to just find a really big poo in there...but at least that was pretty funny on reflection
then add the cunting away of all that money...The sheer detached goofiness of that. I dunno SHE'S PROBABLY A PERFECTLY GOOD HUMAN BEING. They always tend to be, don't they? like, if you met them.
It was a preorder. The preorder paid for the stuff that was sent. Most of the money was spent on the items in question, i.e. people got something decent for their dosh.
A bit of money was left. Not a huge amount.
And the problem is?
that she got a fucking huge sum of money to record an album and then she made up ridiculous figures for what she spent it on, completely overestimating all costs. and then because she still had a load of cash unaccounted for she said it went to "personal debts". then when called out on that, she went on a shitty rant about how she deserves money because she's an artist.
the thing is, i'm not even saying she doesn't genuinely love what she does and that she doesn't produce stuff her fans seem to love. but at the end of the day, she still exploited all of those fans that donated by just clearly taking way more money than she needed out of sheer greed.
oh but sure it was all apart of the fun and the experience, and not because she just didn't feel like paying them.
for BEER and HUGS and the CAMARADERIE OF MUSIC
OK. I'm not a Michael Jackson fan or anything like that. I get the thing about people being unquestioning about anything. And I know that the reaction from a lot of fans borders on sycophancy - not just for her but many other musicians. That's not me. I just like music (everyone's tastes are different) and I like performers (so give me Amanda Palmer on a stage rather than, say, Liam Gallagher).
Let's take the Kickstarter then. I paid (after conversion from dollars) £17, and that included shipping it from the US. For that I got the album (which I like) in a very smart book, and a couple of (admittedly fairly pointless) extra things chucked in. You also got a download of a much longer version of the album (and a large PDF booklet relating to that) - you could have had this bit by itself for $5 (about £3.50) or the album only (digitally) for $1. However wisely or unwisely she spent the money, that seems OK value to me.
The musicians thing. Personally I play a couple of instruments and quite fancy the idea of getting up onstage if someone I liked came through town. But it wasn't handled that well to the casual observer. At least though, rather than being bullish about it, she went and put that right.
And there was that daft thing with the poem for the Boston bomber. Even though I can kind of see what she was doing and there was no bad intent, it was a bit of a cringeworthy read and again, hardly going to endear her to the casual observer. I wish she hadn't done it.
The case for the defence? As I mentioned above, some might find the exhibitionism a bit offputting. She admits she has been a seeker of attention since her street performing days. But again, at least this makes for something vaguely interesting to watch onstage rather than some sweaty oik knocking out three chord indie and calling themselves the saviour of rock and roll. I kind of thought performers were meant to be interesting. And however unappealing it sounds on paper, the shows themselves that I've been to have just been... fun. I haven't had to watch it through my fingers, and I cringe easily. And there's a sense of humour there, it's hardly being taken that seriously all the time.
So... not perfect, but I still don't see where I've been ripped off.
It was one of the best gigs of the year for me. I've seen her around ten times over the years. As usual, her gig was more of a fun caberet night than a straight forward gig. She crowd surfed, sang a song dedicated to The Daily Mail while completely naked and we had the usual odd, quirky circus acts join her on stage. She played for 8:45-11pm. I thought it was be too long a show but I had a brilliant time. Every minute was very entertaining. I'm certainly not comparing her musical output to Patti Smith or Springsteen but I went to both those gigs recently and Amanda Palmer also has the same love for her fans who then return the favour. I don't think anyone in the crowd was disappointed, smiles all round. There's obviously many here that don't like her; fair enough. I don't have a problem with someone making loads of money if that put on a show as good as I saw last night. I'll continue to buy her albums, concert tickets and t-shirts (only £5). Making money without alienating your fans; isn't that the name of the game. If you're going to any of her remaining UK dates you'll have a brilliant time. Enjoy.
But you watched the tennis instead of going to see Hookworms, Sauna Youth and Pissed Jeans. Which sort of makes your opinion null and void.
don't concentrate on the awful persona everyone, she also makes terrible music as well
anyone who winds up crispin alexander is ok in my book.
It was the most annoyed I've been at someone making a point that I completely agree with.
Despite being a fan, I agree with this one. As a rule of thumb with Amanda Palmer: the stuff she does on the fly I tend not to like that much, the stuff she takes her time over I really like.
That describes a lot of DiS threads for me.
and suspect I would have enjoyed it had I been there on the night, but it was a bit clumsy. A bit "right, kids?"