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comes out on non-specific date in 2014
"give us money to finish this"
but just call it that, innit
That trailer was bloody useless and almost bereft of sound - this has to be one of the most work-shy bands in existence! Someone please tell Som that he blew it and just go back to the day job already
christ it must suck to be you
But clearly not. I doubt they've even written it tbh.
I just want grungy shoegazey pop songs goddamnit!
I realise that a lot of my posts have come from this negative headspace, which can be traced to endlessly scanning online for a new my vitriol album...that never came...*sobs bitterly*
just do one of those pledgefund things
how can they afford to be working on a record for fourteen years? Surely they've all gone back to actual jobs or something by now? It's so bizarre.
third tier shoegaze with two ok singles, and that's about it
Really good ones, from what I remember. I'd say I'm feeling tempered optimism, with an overarching sense of "eh, something's always better than nothing".
Also it's only Som and Ravi left in the band with Ringo Starr's former burlesque dancer granddaughter on bass and another guy on guitar. Kind of like their obvious idols Smashing Pumpkins then, really, but on a smaller scale.
I'm not going to pre-order something over six months before it can possibly show up on my doorstep. Three months tops. As said in this thread before, no-one would begrudge them a Kickstarter style project.
They've got new tour dates towards the end of the year. Will expect a single or EP around then.
I *love* how this is still the official MyVitriol site.
Looks like it's been knocked together on FrontPage in 1997.
and riding the mbv bandwagon
Has never listened to Finelines
coke t-shirt couldn't be more mid-90's if it tried
but saying myvitriol (of course).
They were £4 and you got a free poster with it.
magnificently awful merchandising
Didn't grab me.
and moodswings i think was probably the best thing they did back then, was so psyched for a new album when that came out. testament to them that people care at all this many years later. don't expect it to have the same effect on me but there's no reason it wont be as good. that said, seth will be missed.
now THERE'S a first tier shoegaze act...
And it did.
Thank you all for emailing in. We have some news for you :)
We are recording our new album over summer and felt it would be in the spirit of rock ‘n’ roll to have all you lovely people involved from the start. This week the pre-orders go live for the NEW ALBUM via an exclusive page which will be the portal leading up to the release of the record early next year.
Those who pre-order will get access to exclusive content, limited & one-off experiences and we’ll be posting photos, videos, demos, blogs and anything else we can think of along the way.
MV will be releasing a track in October and to coincide have announced fan shows around the UK:
Oct 22 BRISTOL Fleece & Firkin
Oct 23 MANCHESTER Gorilla
Oct 24 GLASGOW King Tuts
Didnt pre-order though :|
That's pretty small for them. Halloween after party if you're willing to drop another £15 on top of the £20 ticket.
If you get the lyrics to a song written down (£29), can you send them back if you don't think the handwriting is neat enough?
they're just running a bit behind schedule
was clearly written circa 2007
FFS. Get 150% of Kickstarter, start cancelling dates...
but no one ever sees the person.
In all fairness, I really like Finelines so I like that they're doing this, it reminds me to listen to it.
Played loads of new stuff, seemed in the most part heavier. Totally front loaded the set with new stuff. Due on stage at 9.30, came on at 10, to a restless crowd, played til half 11 by which time 2 thirds of the crowd had left. Still using the finelines backdrop, still trying to shift their awful merch (including the myspace t shirt). Apparently recording the album next month
Not sure if I enjoyed it or not. It wasn't helped by the couple in front of me who seemed to be acting out an episode of Skins
Have they been gathering dust for the past however many years then?
Finelines is excellent, one of the few albums from my teeens I still rate really highly.
Odd to think theyd be about 5 or 6 albums in if they carried on at a 'normal' pace.
I am somewhat lacking enthusiasm for this gig, I'm not sure why as I like them live (I'm actually a bit poorly). Your review has done nothing to encourage me to go along.
They were very good. Charming, even. The new stuff is great and the old stuff has been given a bit of a shake up. On the strength of that I'd recommend it
Loved it. Good blend of new and old. I havethe setlist somewhere in my bag if anybody wants to see what kind of thign they're doing (although I believe the list was a bit different from Bristol.)
London city lights clip…
War of the Worlds
The Gentle art of choking
It’s so damn easy
Under the wheels
Windows & Walls
Kohlstream -> cemented shoes
Spirit Still Remains
Ode to the Red queen
Taprobane -> losing touch
The agonies & the ectstasies
Alpha waves -> Always : your way
Tongue tied –> C.O.R.
Good to know they're still putting on a decent performance, I am very intrigued in how the new stuff sounds as I loved Finelines!
As everyone is saying, let's just hope they actually bring out the bloody record now.
a number of people (myself included) have actually paid for it now. Before it was their prerogative.
Plus the new songs.
...and it's a Kavinsky cover http://vimeo.com/110623131
Aren't they self producing though and have amassed lots of material?
who've been playing new songs live for nearly ten years and then expecting an album to be done quickly
If I remember correctly.
Their pledge updates seem to suggest album is nearly ready then all goes quiet
The original pledge page had a deadline date, and i think a lot of people assumed if it wasn't done on time then we'd get our money back.
So far, they not only missed various deadlines, they also announced that the pledge money would be spent on a proper album (which we'd have to buy again) and pledgers would get basically an out-takes album.
Out-takes album has also missed various deadlines.
Still, Finelines was great :'D
but I should have done really. They've f****d this up beyond belief.
It's completely ridiculous how they have missed deadline after deadline. The blame solely lies with Som Wardner being a pretentious, egotistical prick.
They are a complete joke of a band. I wish the Pledge people would tell them to fuck right off and refund everyone who Pledged.
but their handling of this has been contempuous. You're right, PledgeMusic should cancel it. My preferred option though would be for MV to cancel it themselves, apologise, give pledgers a download of the "offcuts" they were working on, self-fund the second album then let us decide whether we want to buy it or not when it's done. Hardly drastic measures considering how it's gone. Do all of the above and I'd probably buy it.
on the Pledgemusic site. There's one from MV on 10th Oct (2014!) that says the Secret Sessions album should be ready to go "within the month". 10 MV tracks and a cover version, presumably the one they released for Hallowe'en.
Hopefully an announcement this week......yeah right!
...and all of those tracks should be new ones (even if they don't constitute "album 2"), and not sound like they were recorded into a bucket in the neighbouring room. And preferably they should be decent. Otherwise I'm getting my pitchfork out of the attic.
I though from updates I saw earlier in the year this was almost good to go.
Is there even going to be a proper album as such or just rough demos etc?
Finelines is great and it still really stands up today. MV were the first band I ever saw as a teenager so I'd love to see a follow up surface.
but honestly, why has it taken them so fucking long to do anything? It's absolutely insane. Fifteen years!
Deadline after deadline has been missed. Your money no longer buys the 'second album' but instead a 'secret sessions CD'. No doubt this won't be an exclusive as they are saying either. It is bound to turn up on the 2CD of the commercially issued second album.
They have no idea how to run a pledgemusic campaign. Months and months of silence followed by a picture of Ravi's new baby. Hmm. Great update. They should take a look at campaigns run by Ginger Wildheart, Kerbdog, Tim Wheeler, Grant Nicholas etc. They make the pledgemusic thingy a proper experience and offer real extras rather than just use it as a pre-order site. They also met their promised deadlines.
MV also threatened to remove all negative comments from their page.
They have removed numerous comments from their pages on Pledgemusic. And I also thought that the 'exclusive' Secret Sessions CD won't stay 'exclusive' for long.
As you say, Ginger Wildheart has done 4 or 5 highly successful Pledge campaigns in the past 3 years. Released about 60 high quality songs. Kept the fans involved (he recorded 30 tracks for his first Pledge, put them on Pledge then asked the fans to vote for their fav tracks for a commecially available 12 track CD). MV seem to think that an apologetic message every month will keep their fans appeased. Fuck 'em.
Glad I didn't bother pledging to this now.
Finelines came out over 13 years ago. They've been playing new songs since January 2005. Since their first album came out we've had new albums from Guns N Roses and My Bloody Valentine, both things that seemed ridiculous even when they started their comeback.
Even the Pledgemusic page was a pisstake, littered with the same old quotes ("Best band in the world!" - Chino Moreno, uh, around the time White Pony came out) and a bio that was clearly written in about 2007.
This is just another level of shit, though.
Plus is there only 2 of them now? when they play live they use a stand in guitarist and bass player?
They're pretty much the only band from my teens I still really like and want to see play again so I hope something arrives. Just think how many valbums they'd havecmade by now if they continued at the normal pace of an album every 2-3 years...
Apparently all the music they recorded since the end of October has disappeared!
And Som is suffering from stress.
'Heroin' more like
Really excited when this was all announced but it seems a lot of good will has evaporated with continual delays, weird drip fed info, pretty awful covers and the strange decision to completely change what people were paying for after they paid for it. Poor form.
2015: My Vitriol?
just asking questions.
But fuck 'em. I've just cancelled my Pledge.
I got a snotty e-mail from them saying that I've only paid £12 for the Pledge, whereas they have went through blood, sweat and tears to get the album finished.
I replied saying that I have actually spent hundreds of pounds over the years buying all their CD singles and albums and seeing them live about 20 times and that if it wasn't for people like me 'only' paying £12 then they wouldn't have a Pledge campaign to complete, or a career in the first instance.
They sent you a nary message? Surely that's a bit mad?
But this thread has become a genuine source of fascination.
art out of adversity n all that though
This is all just making me pretty sad
I mean, Finelines is an absolute top 10 classic of a record. I would've said it was a complete accident but the stuff they've put out afterwards, almost without exception has been great (the leaked demos that surfaced a few years back are as good as anything on their debut). They do seem to be fond of putting out covers which...well, are a bit bobbins (Martika, Lana Del Ray and Kavinsky) which is a litte worrying though.
I'm keeping my pledge. We'll see how it goes. I think it was about £25, paid that about 8 months ago. Come on My Vit, get your s**t together!!
"...get the album finished"?
By their own admission, what we're getting isn't the album. And they won't say what it actually is. 4 tracks? 10 tracks? And if it's album length, are polished up versions of most of those tracks going to constitute the eventual album? And if not, why are they saying that what we're getting isn't an album?
I'm tempted to cancel my Pledge. So I can expect an abusive email if I do?
....so what happened to that? It sounded like it was finished and ready to go and that was 2006 or somewhen?
Also i think from an interview they posted they are self funding some as the pledge won't cover all funds.
ie, in June, then they wouldn't have to spend extra cash on studios/producers/etc
I don't wish to sound unsympathetic, but I know (and work with) a band of (presumably) lesser financial means that did an unbelievably good job of a Pledge campaign, with three out of the four band members in day jobs, and that makes me that little bit less sympathetic for people that have failed so spectacularly...
with regards to statements and gigs that didn't end up being played?
I'm doing an article but I can't be bothered making an effort to research it.
There was actually only 1 gig cancelled and that was the London Heaven Halloween show in 2013.
their 'comeback' gig was January 2005 at the Islington Academy, which was the first time they did new material
they also played more shows through 2006/2007, maybe into 2008? they did a tour with a burlesque troop starring Andrew Sachs' daughter post the Russell Brand/Jonathan Ross thing.
release wise they did a two-track single on Org Records under the name 'A Secret Society' and an EP on Xtra Mile. Both of those were around 2007/2008.
They should get a job at the daily mail.
- Poor, ambiguous 'updates'
- Changing the product
- Censorship and bitchiness
- Flogging signed/handwritten stuff for silly money
- Playing the stress card to curb criticism
I haven't even pledged and this has pissed me off.
of why it's taken so long for them to even finish an album? I can sort of understand it with bands like The Stone Roses/Guns N Roses/whoever where they've got a fuckload of cash, fans and time to sit around and get things 'perfect'. But we're talking about a B-list British indie band. It's completely incomprehensible to me.
Meaning 'lost' recordings. An insult to their fans' intelligence.
What gets me most though is the signed tour posters, drum heads, and made-to-order handwritten lyric sheets. So the band can't get their shit together for long enough to finish the album people have paid for (three times over), but they've plenty of time to scribble down a few words for an extra 30 quid a pop? This stuff should be included as a bonus for pledgers, not sold separately for personal gain. A truly shameless exploitation of fan loyalty.
link them to this thread.
he could do it
I'd like to read this.
three times what it costs for Jordan to write it, just on a promise like
Of course, making the fucking album everyone's paid for would have been nicer, but hey.
I've really fucked that up.
...of Som jamming with that guy from Muse. I dunno
Is he taking the piss? Offering excuses about ill health in the same post that shows him schmoozing with rock stars? This pledge campaign has been running since July 5th, 2013 - 19 months yesterday, and no sign of a record. PledgeMusic need to shut this one down.
I think it's time I spam the thieving fuckers with links to the thread?
Anyway, these aren't protected:
'Shipped by the end of next month at the latest'
Really hope this arrives as everything I have heard thu far sounds great. Pretty much the only band from my teens I really still rate.
or the collection of offcuts?
If its the songs they played live at their various shows since 2005 that'd be good. Great live band.
I'm hoping that what (finally) arrives is a CD of at least ten new songs of reasonable quality, whether they sound collectively like a whole album or not. I'll never give them another penny in advance, mind, and I hope they're never daft enough to ask.
If it turns out to be something like six rough cuts on a CD-R, I'll never give them another penny even if the next album (yeah, right) turns out to be Sergeant ruddy Pepper.
Yeah...we'll see. Be nice if it was imminent but it has been said before. Once about a decade ago
May 10: "Mixing this week! All things going smoothly, the album should be done and manufactured & shipped by the end of next month at the latest. Fingers crossed!"
July 21: "Here's another rough mix of a new track..."
See you in 2016 for more conjecture about which ones of us will still be alive when they release it.
That the May 10 quote above is an actual one and today's update is a paraphrasing. It seems almost daft to be saying "for balance"...
"Agonys And XTC'S", which is on that bootleg thing you can download. It's the strongest thing they've done since "Always..." but the new mix is just Soms vocal over some really quiet guitars. It's very peculiar.
but I did look yesterday at the comments. If there's any "yes, but where's the album?" stuff, that's being deleted. All I'm seeing is "the sound mix is wrong" comments. I don't want to hear ropey incomplete tracks.
The finished product, if we ever get it, is going to be unmastered demos on a CD-R, isn't it?
Surely they've got a manager or a team behind them? It's all so scattershot and bizarre. Wouldn't a manager be like "don't upload that...just, WAIT a bit". I get they want to show people that they're still doing stuff but this all seems very amateurish, which part of me quite likes, but it's definitely hurting them.
it's just them doing it themselves. But I mentioned above that I had worked with a band that ran a very successful (and generous) Pledge campaign on a completely DIY footing. Well, they've now done a second one, equally successfully, and another band I help out have now done it too. It's not a money thing, either - one of the bands got 1500 pledges, the other around 300, the latter being a quarter of what MV have had. Excuses are just excuses.
I can confirm that this is the case. I posted on their Facebook page yesterday to ask why the 'end of next month at the latest' promise wasn't kept. Post gone. All that's left are the comments of fawning fanboys.
The sound of tumbleweed.
For the forthcoming quadruple album, due out in September.
But somehow lost ALL the master tapes.
so will likely never see this album, should it ever exist, because this band is ridiculous and very unlikely to be able to handle anything as complex as updating a spreadsheet. Let me know if it's any good, yeah?
I think you change your address with PledgeMusic, and come the point that they send out CDs (should such a thing ever happen) they'll get the list from there. Happily, this is one thing the band isn't responsible for administrating. So in case you're feeling optimistic, I'd go and update your details on there...
I've done that, I was pessimistic as the band emailed probably 3 months ago saying they needed the final address list sorted and for everyone to make sure their details were correct, so figured they were likely to fuck this up too.
When I went and changed that, I saw that the only other pledge I'd done was for ...Trail Of Dead's Tao pt III, which I paid for on the same day. It arrived less than 6 months later, a finished actual CD signed by the whole band. My Vitriol's expected completion date is still listed as 16 June 2014.
Even if you hadn't updated your address you'd still get the mp3 download. Of course that depends in the project getting finished.
Even if you hadn't changed your address you'd get the mp3 version. That depends on the project actually getting done though...
This is what it said:
Firstly apologies for the radio silence. We have been waiting on some mixes for a over a month now…. but as we are pulling favours to make this happen etc – the ball is kinda in their court. Therefore we certainly can’t make any promises on completion date, as it’s out of our control, but anyone impatient is entitled a full refund at any point.
We’re very excited for you guys to hear it! It’s been a long rocky road up to this point. Even the rough mixes are sounding cool, but having posted some in the past…. we realised the majority of you wanted to hear the final product.
A sneak peak of the track list so far:
London City Lights
It’s So Damn Easy
If Only…. (The Spirit Still Remains)
The Agonies & the Ecstasies
Rest your Tired Head
This Time (new)
(All These) Days
and 2/3 others!
Speak to you soon!!
So there you have it. That's "calling in favours" to finish a record that received over 200% of the minimum funding. Two things to note at this point:
1) At the time of writing they haven't yet deleted all the negative comments as per usual
2) I gather that anyone that has requested a refund to date has received a not-exactly-friendly email.
I got an unfriendly response a few months ago when I cancelled.
Love the line "having posted some rough mixes in the past we realised you guys wanted to hear the final product"!!!
Of fucking course we wanted to hear the final mixes. What a fucking ridiculous thing to say!
Plus they still haven't finalised how many tracks will be on it.
A joke of a band
This is totally unacceptable, but the fact that PledgeMusic won't step in is shocking. Makes the site look really bad.
Several times - got nothing.
so I suspect they only jump in when a band says "we can't do it". Which they ought to have said.
Other bands have messed up too that I know of, Killing Joke to give one example.
I agree, I should add. They definitely should have stepped in.
The will get their money up front from the artist.
I guess there would be bad exposure for them but as you say there are thousands of bands (and fans) who see this crowd funding system as the way forward so it will take a lot of fuck ups for pledge to suffer.
wilfully change the thing they're going to deliver though? that's crazy.
In that legally speaking no final product is guaranteed? Of which case why would they step in
You can cancel your pledge though, it's not as though you're locked in.
Also, it sounds as though the band have had some data loss and illness along the way. The pledge fund only makes up part of the funds I think.
Just to add balance. It is a shame this has been so slow, I agree.
The hold-up is because the mixing engineer has been taking absolutely fucking ages, but the ordeal is finally coming to an end now.
Delay is indeed because of mix engineer. They've popped a provisional tracklist on the update which has a worrying lack of previously unheard material. We'll see I suppose. I've waited this long, I can wait a little longer. At least he didn't say he was locked in a Wetherspoons bathroom
the pledge thing got almost 400% of their goal
FINELINES WAS RELEASED IN 2001. IT'S NOW 2015.
As much as I loved them 14 years ago, this band are a total farce.
they were hardly a top tier band at the time. Think of any other 'recent' shoegaze band with just ONE album to their name who anybody would give even the remotest shit about in 14 years time. I certainly can't think of one.
I assumed they had long disappeared then saw this thread a while back. Am surprised about the whole affair and anyone still has money pledged or whatever is foolish - take it back!!
If they were a band just taking ages but had only used their own money etc then fine, do what you want, but to keep taking pledges and delaying it over and over again with bullshit excuses in nonsense. Find someone else to mix it - it's not that hard.
is that there's just a complete lack of progression or new material over the past decade and a half. Even the odd live gig they do is stuffed full of the same songs over and over (even if a few of them are unreleased). I've literally no idea what they do with themselves.
they sit their believing of their own myth, safe in the knowledge they they've accumulated a nice cult of pledgers.
Som recently updated his Facebook cover photo to a picture of him sitting with Ellie Goulding and Chris Pine at London Fashion Week. The mixing engineer excuse is bogus. This lot think they're big time.
don't not give a fuck about their audience.
Not one of their excuses holds any water. The money they've raised would fund the creation of multiple albums in this day and age. They're abusing the trust of their audience and, simply, taking the piss.
Get your money back while you can. IF this record ever comes out, buy it then, but stop putting your faith in these people.
If it was more than a tenner I'd have withdrawn months ago. I sort of want to see what we get, out of morbid curiosity. If they fail completely, PledgeMusic can refund us. They take 15% on all pledges.
'Some did not read the post properly it seems. As this states, the mixing is out of the bands control... Therefore the situation if [sic] even more frustrating for them. Hopefully the restless minority will bear in mind it's very easy to criticise etc but much harder to create. MV have invested a lot more blood sweat & tears into this project ...than an £8 contribution.
'This is incorrect. The pledge funds were always only a PART of the budget. The record has cost a considerably more [sic] which the band are funding. Scheduling between the other projects of the chosen mixer is the main issue. The project is almost at completion having started 2 years ago, and this is a regular album cycle for most acts. Refunds are always open and available for anyone impatient. Anyone unfairly trolling on here will get messages deleted. Repeat offenders will be blocked.'
So the band 'have invested a lot more...than an £8 contribution'? That's one way to thank your loyal fans. It's not unfair to point out that communication has been poor and that promises haven't been kept. Maybe if the band showed a bit more humility, people would show more understanding.
Odd post to put. Is that from the official band page? A dignified silence would have been better.
so are pledgers getting the album now? or still just a CD of outtakes?
But man, what a brilliantly awful Facebook post. Nice work, dickheads.
passive aggressive FB post. "RESTLESS MINORITY!!!!".
Also, they've only been working on this album for 2 years? What the fuck have they been doing for the remaining 12?
If they claim the £8 contributions were only part of the budget, then they are effectively saying that they are making a loss on every album sold.
All this time I though My Vitriol were a band. I didn't realise they were actually a charity providing music to the needy.
As I cast an eye over the VIP section on the first floor I noticed Som was part of the throng and I instantly thought of this thread!
He was very good at drinking, flicking his hair, talking to a pretty girl, flicking his hair, air drumming, flicking his hair BUT at no point did I witness him pull out his phone to chase up a seemingly uncommitted sound mixer...
I can only think to say that just about every other band, ever, has done this much, much better, including one which relates to a band I help out. They did an amazing job but I'm not naming them here so it isn't a plug. A few have had delays and given good reasons. This is not the same thing. And talking of "not the same thing", people should remember what people originally pledged for, and what we're (apparently) getting now.
And they fundamentally misunderstand the Pledge model if their intention was to deliver the record 2+ years after funding it. If that was their intent then they should have been upfront about it. As opposed to giving an entirely misleading delivery date.
never read this thread before, interesting read all in one go. Don't understand how they still have a following, they were really a third rate band at their peak, like three colours red level of badness. There was a weird lull at the end of the century when it was really slim pickings for anyone who got into the music in the mid 90's (although with hindsight lots of great stuff happening but too low profile) this band epitomises that era.
mv had something really indefinably good about them and at their best were much bigger than the sum of their parts, and developed a really devoted following which somehow keeps up despite all this.
I don't know, I think the indicator of a good band is whether it spreads beyond their original fanbase through word of mouth and new people discovering their music over time. Not sure if that has happened, people in MV threads always seem to be people that were into them at the time displaying a nostalgic attachment, it is impressive they have kept those peoples interest but I can't think of any comparable examples of mildly successful bands dangling a follow up for so long
I can't think of any other album that pulls in Shoegaze, Metal (ish) riffs and Indie-pop all in one go to sound so interesting (please recommend if you can).
They're really great live too. Koko a few years back was superb.
I love 3 Colours Red!
A place to bury strangers
well, no. that would only be true if the only copies sold were to pledgers. presumably this would get a wider release.
(probably will only sell to pledgers, mind.)
there is so much great music in the world, no one needs to listen to three colours red
It still does stand up. Their follow up stuff (B-side collection, EP, demos for second album that never came) was in many ways equally as strong. It's a shame to see what's happened. It seems like the image of Som as a socialite does him no favours, but really, who gives a s**t. It has no real bearing on anything, and a lot is quite possibly just out of their control. I hope they can turn it around, there probably IS only a vocal minority that are clamouring for their heads (or what they pre-ordered).
Even in my most optimistic moments I could never imagine that there are tens of thousands of sleeper My Vitriol fans out there, just dying to hear the new album but without the will to pledge.
I was a big fan of their first album but I don't think I'll be getting this one - partly because it seems to have become such a pariah.
The main problem with this pledge has been the band and its representatives conduct. The music is still great but the way they have communicated with their fans during the project has been terrible.
Has gone on employing somebody to write arsey Facebook posts and emails on their behalf.
I liked their first album so I pledged for (pre-ordered) their second album. That's all this is really about. If I pined wistfully for a long-forgotten era I wouldn't be paying for new music!
Had a listen this morning. Some slightly passive aggressive, "you can get a refund if you want..." talk, but no real update. They haven't heard from the mix guy for 7 weeks?! Maybe get someone else? Anyway, song's ok. Quite nice in places.
This is what they wrote:
As always Pledge are happy to process an automatic refund for any one doesn’t want to see this to fruition…. So we kindly request that the minority who are constantly negative no matter what refrain from spoiling the fun for everyone else so we can stay in communication etc!
that's a refund for anyone that doesn't want to see it through to fruition. Because I've lost count of the amount of times that I've backed a Kickstarter/PledgeMusic project that I didn't want to see through to fruition. Not "for anyone that's a little fed up of waiting, and knows that delays happen, and knows that the unforseeable happens, but realises that this level of poor communication and inaction is pretty damning".
So yeah, I haven't asked for a refund yet.
When we're impatient it's our fault.
They'll be printing our albums in January. Just like they were doing in (I think it was) July.
Once they've got the last two tracks sorted. So see you again on this thread in 2017.
It should be noted, comically, that they've said there won't be too many copies as they're just printing them for pledgers before immediately moving onto the next release (the second album that, erm, we all pledged for). So apparently if you want a copy of whatever The Secret Sessions turns out to be, you need to get in... now. Don't all rush, kids.
long may it continue
than My Vitriol have on their follow up
that keeps on giving (absolutely nothing whatsoever).
meanwhile, Future of the Left launched their second kickstarter for a proper new album since this whole sorry saga began
By their own admission, "The Secret Sessions" (whatever that is) will be used to fund the second album (the thing they told us we were originally pledging for).
you can hear what they've released from the secret sessions stuff on this guy's youtube channel - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRC4L_E_iO3RG0XTSevQcWQ
oh ho, oh ho ho, ho ho ha HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA
So comically shit. The UK Amanda Palmer.
In a way I'm glad I stumped up the cash for this. The entertainment value has been well worth £12.
TBF the song is growing on me as I listen to it though.
before i get tarred with that particular shit-encrusted brush
neither have I, and I'll raise you 'not thinking much of them in the first place' as well
Certainly not everyone's a fan, but I am. One thing you definitely don't want to compare them on, whatever your views, is the quality of their crowdfunding campaigns.
They're a band I like alot but frustratingly never followed upa great debut album. Finelines is the 1 album from all the bands I liked as a teenager that I still really ratecand continue to recommend on th rare occasions I meet people who like more eclectic/less well known bands.
I know they have a shoegaze element to their sound which, to me, is a large part of their appeal along with strong (though rare) live appearances like Koko 2013 but are there many other bands that sound like them?
Amanda Palmer might have gouged her fans, but she also delivered what they pledged.
it's not like you started a pledgefund to improve your typing.
- took in an astronomical sum on a kickstarter
- charged a lot for things
- spent the money in ways that were less than transparent
there's a good summary here http://gawker.com/5944050/amanda-palmers-million-dollar-music-project-and-kickstarters-accountability-problem
but did fix it. I only bought a CD during the Kickstarter, which was excellent value for what it was. The download, if anyone just bought that, even more so.
The premium items might have been overpriced, I'm not sure. That's generally the stuff that funds many musicians now though, isn't it? Most bands add at least a fiver to sign the records and I'd say that if we're rinsing Amanda Palmer for one thing or another, we should be doing the same to... just about every other act. How long does it take to sign a thing, especially if you do it in bulk?
but I think it's pretty telling about how entitled she is.
I do think that she had probably a rougher ride than she deserved by dint of being the first musician to get an absolute fortune from Kickstarter (and it can't be overemphasised how much money she raised - it'd be a fortune for a major label musician in the current climate, let alone an independent one) and to use it in ways that is questionable.
Like I said - she delivered, which is more than these clowns have done. But I think a lot of it was massively overpriced and done so because she was aware she had the kind of fanbase that would tolerate that.
I remember years ago really liking the (then) new track War Of The Worlds. The latest update informs us that this will be on the second album (which is what we initially pledged for). But not the thing they're sending us.
There are 7 songs on there. Sound good, maybe a tad polished but in the main quite chunky, driven rock numbers with their trademark shoegaze-esqure sound.
it's 2016 and they're putting it on their "new" album
give me strength
But it hasn't been on a record yet, so it's nice of them to tell us that they're saving it for the "real" record as it isn't complete. :)
7 tracks, CD sent out late Jan apparently. Songs are of wildly differing quality though. "London City Lights" is horrible. One of the lyrics is "we're flying high, in the sky..." or some such bullshit. The re-recorded songs seem to have lost their edge too (from the leaked demos). I dunno...
The band keep claiming that the pledge was always for "10 new My Vitriol" songs rather than the official second album, which is an outright lie.
London City Lights is indeed awful. Probs not a great idea to lead off the sampler stream with that.
"We're floating high
Lift me to the sky
We're flying high
Set my soul on fire"
is on FIIIIIIII-RRRREEEEEEEE
so you initially pledged for the 2nd album but after months of delay you are now getting a bunch of tracks not on the 2nd album. So the thing they are sending pledgers is just some throwaway tracks not good enough for the album? And also there is no guarantee when a second album will even materialize? Do the pledgers ALSO get the 2nd album when it is finished? If not how can you not demand your money back for not getting what was promised.
because they're sound bastards
pledge launched May 2013, with great fanfare at a comeback gig at KOKO (the pledge wasn't actually set up until some time after they announced it. Not good omens). It was, as far as I recall, definitely described as the long-awaited second album.
I paid my money on 3rd Sept 2013. The initial delivery date was set for April 2014 (for contrast, I pledged for a ...Trail Of Dead EP on the same day and that promised to, and shipped on, April 2014).
The date was knocked back to 16th June 2014, where it has stubbornly remained. They have been funded 399% of their initial amount.
The pledge was renamed "The Secret Sessions" when they amended the end date in March 2014, when they claimed that at the end of June 2014 we would all be receiving a CD titled "The Secret Sessions", which was all Pledger exclusive stuff. They specified that this would now be a "double release", which suggested to us that we'd receive a CD of new material so they wouldn't miss their deadline, and that we'd still receive album no.2 when it was finished.
June 2014: we were told they'd get something manufactured in a week or so.
15 July: artwork finished, format finalised.
August: The drummer had a baby! No music for you.
October: finished songs emerge on site, no word on CD.
November 2014 (6 months past deadline): people who bought high price items like guitars and signed equipment finally have them shipped.
December: Som got sick :( no music for you.
May 2015: "CD should be with you end of next month!"
June 2015: "update your address, CD comin; at ya!"
September: "our mixing is being done for free by some jackass who is busy (no word on where all the pledge money went) so we're not finished. No music for you."
October: "Mixer has gone missing. Let's do it ourselves!" (no mention of the fact that this album was 'ready to ship' over a year earlier)
December 2015: "2 tracks left to finish!"
24th December: Mediocre 7 track sample stream goes up. Bands own admission, few are actually finished. Several are terrible.
Futher update bigs up the tracks that they are putting on album 2. The album we'll just have to pay for.
So, in summation, we pledged for album 2, for April 2014, and as of Jan 2016, we have a patchwork 7 track stream to show for it. I've not included here all the shitty defensive Facebook posts, and other assorted shady doings, detailed above. I'd ask for my money back but considering it was £12 over 18 months ago I'm quite happy to leave it in the pot so I can see this clusterfuck through to it's no-doubt bitter conclusion.
is genuinely worthy of a DiS in-depth on how to alienate your fans through pledging. Feel bad for all you pledgers, but it does make for interesting reading...
I'm sure we'll hear of more of these as well, seeing as how EVERY band is back. As much as I really do like MV (and their comeback show was great, they played a long, engaging, varied set, were entertaining and sounded great) they could barely have fucked this more. If a band are asking for money ahead of time from fans, then the band owe it to us to be accountable, properly accountable, if things go awry as we are now their investors. That doesn't seem to have translated with these guys. How they can set a budget for a whole album, receive it four times over, and still be complaining that over two years after they started their mixer, who was working for free it seems, has fucked off is laughable. The fuck was the budget for if not studio time, mixing, mastering and production?
Having looked at their Facebook pg, what I can't get my head round is how many people seem to be happy (not to mention congratulating the band) with not receiving what they had paid for in the first place. I shouldn't really be surprised, but it sticks in my craw a little bit that a band seem to be taking advantage of people's good will in a way that a 'proper' business would never be allowed to.
it's always appeared to me that they probably used the money to 'salary' themselves and took shortcuts on the production process (favours from mates, etc, who probably didn't feel compelled to work on unfinished material). Whether that's true, who can say?
To this I'd add (because you were nice and omitted them like you say)... their constant digs at people who might think they've handled this a little less than magnificently, their unpleasant emails to people that have cancelled, and the fact that anybody who has questioned how it has been handled - however politely - has seen their messages removed. So when someone above asks why there are so many complimentary comments, it's simple... they're the only ones that haven't been removed. Whether these are from friends of the band, or actually people genuinely deluded enough to still think they've dealt with this with integrity... I don't know.
You also summed up very well why I haven't asked for a refund. A perverse part of me wants to see how this will actually pan out. We all pledged on it because we liked their first record.
were it not for the fact that "defending My Vitriol" is not currently near the top of my To Do List.
[except mine] ;)
all the money went on funding his lifestyle and theyre just making fools of everyone.
donating money to a crowdfunding project? Would think it'd be ripe for scams. Starting to see plenty of examples of it too (anyone see that Harry Knowles debacle).
anyone can ask for and get a refund. It's the least PledgeMusic could do, given they take a 15% commission.
If they hadn't tried to crowd fund it, there really wouldn't have been an issue. As it stands, there's an implied responsibility given folk HAVE contributed what amounts in total to probably a considerable wedge of money. I don't know how I feel about it myself. If I'd contributed a lot more, I think I'd be more disappointed. I DID get the handwritten lyrics which was really cool.
not all the tracks are poor. London City Lights and Lord Knows How I've Tried (which I've never been massively fussed over) are really weak, but the rest (admittedly ones we've known about/heard for the last few years) are good (if oddly produced now).
A recent post:
'I'm really curious from a band history/knowledge perspective of why you guys decided to re-tackle Lord Knows How I've Tried?
I loved the original and it's minimalist delivery. It sounded very haunting, poignant, and *complete*.
I'm so curious what made you guys say, "We need to come back to this?"
I really like the new version - Som's vocals somehow sound *more* vulnerable and naked, interestingly enough. I also dig the live drumming. I'm just curious what lead you to revisit this one?
Also - Thanks for being so interactive with your hardcore fans as well as so giving. Your spirit of appreciation for your fanbase has not gone unnoticed! Your music is amazing (I LOVE the new stuff - it has SO been worth the wait - especially All (These Days) and The Agonies!) and your moxie is also amazing.'
Surely written by one of the band or a friend? Or someone just having a laugh? 'Thanks for being so interactive with your hardcore fans as well as so giving'? Fuck me, that is some solid-gold sarcasm.
so I've posted in this thread in the full knowledge that anyone can see it, and maybe that might extend to a band member. I'd love to hear their side in an open forum. But if there are good reasons why they are where they are, you'd think that they'd have told us on Facebook or the PledgeMusic site, or somewhere, by now...
If only that stream didn't start out with such a limp opener it might have helped. I don't remember that song being so bad live but it really is interminable. But apart from that, If Only is good (not a stand out or anything but definitely a really solid album track). All These Days is fine, like a track that would get lost in the shuffle on Mellon Collie (damning with faint praise I know). I like The Agonies, it has a great bassline and a catchy chorus but REALLY needs to sound a bit punchier. It's So Damn Easy is good, classic jangly guitar business, strong finish. Lord Knows How I've Tried is fine, although risks sounding a bit Keane. Rest Your Tired Head also lands a bit flatly in the dull column, despite some nice moments. It, too, feels looooong. So 4/7 tracks I like, but there's nothing there to stand up against Finelines, and as you said, a lot of the better songs date back a decade or more.
Probably the most frustrating thing about this whole shitshow is that there really is an opening for them to come back- what with everyone being nostalgic as shit and literally every band having another crack at it, plus everyone banging on about shoegaze again all the time. I listened to Finelines again in full the other day while I was out walking and it really does still hold up, for me at least. So we're left with either a band that has burned through their best material completely, or that we are getting essentially b-side afterthoughts while the good stuff goes on an album that we have to buy. Oddly, even though it means I'm getting ripped off, I'd still prefer it to be the latter. I still like the band a lot and even this fucking palaver hasn't diminished the fact that I want to hear new material from them.
There's an almost-but-not-quite-identically worded comment on the Pledge Music site.
Also on there one guy very politely said that he could hear that the mix needed work (which the band admitted) and mentioned a previous mix which he preferred. He was immediately jumped on by some superfan for "negativity" in a rambling series of idiot posts. The first poster mentioned that the point of PledgeMusic etc was to be involved in the process and that the drummer had specifically asked people for their preferences on something.
Then someone jumped in with a blanket statement, also about negativity, which the band seconded with a "well said!". Which seemed very much to be a way of shutting down anything but the most relentlessly chipper debate.
They're alienating a limited fanbase...for what? Just acknowledge that you've fucked up and apologise. People like honesty. It's endearing.
Who's looking forward to getting a record within the week? YEAH!
Sarcasm doesn't translate well to the written word unless you signpost it, so I am doing so now.
Seeing as "The Secret Sessions" is a fanbase only release there won't be any singles as such...
But here's the video for "It's So Damn Easy"!
Feel free to share / repost this.
More on the way too - so follow the new MVTV channel
If ever you do covers got to do "Jess glynne-hold my hand" song so catchy yet horrible think it would be so funny. Whatever you do never ever cover "Bonnie tyler total eclipse of the heart" or "bill medleys-ive had the time of my life" those i feel these can never be saved and repersent the worst thing mankind has ever conceived!!! Know you said no covers but if you must do some are are looking for inspiration look no further than jess glynne lol hahaha
but got a commission for a new dubstep remix so it's on the backburner for now
A lot of you had requested “We’ve Lost Our Way”….
Well…. You wanted it…. you got it!
We mixed that one especially ourselves – so it could make this release.
Here’s a little clip if you are curious!
Again – thank you so much for your support and patience…. It’s been taking a while but we know you’d rather we got it right etc.
Thanks for the comments on the new video we posted a few days back.
We have been getting more together behind the scenes…. BTW if any of you have recommendations / make music videos we would love to hear from you!
"If ever you do covers got to do "Jess glynne-hold my hand" song so catchy yet horrible think it would be so funny. Whatever you do never ever cover "Bonnie tyler total eclipse of the heart" or "bill medleys-ive had the time of my life" those i feel these can never be saved and repersent the worst thing mankind has ever conceived!!! Know you said no covers but if you must do some are are looking for inspiration look no further than jess glynne lol hahaha"
Why do the same mental comments appear verbatim on the Pledge site and their Facebook days apart? And I thought they were mixing the whole non-album themselves, hence why it's taken 2 and a half years to knock 7 tracks together, most of which were already recorded in some form before and written a decade ago or more in some cases? So why specify that they've "mixed [it] especially ourselves"?
they were supposed to be dispatching the CDs at the end of January. That went quiet.
Any thoughts on the title of a documentary about how not to run a pledgemusic campaign?
"Close to the pledge?"
"Why the vitriol? How NOT to run a pledgemusic campaign."
I help out two bands who (between them) have run three successful Pledge campaigns. First, they ensured the songs were written, and that the 100% mark was enough to self-record it and manufacture the physical products, after Pledge's commission (and a charity donation). That's literally it (and this isn't a misuse of the word "literally"). One of them made significantly more money than expected, so they made nice slipcases and got a producer in. If you can work all that out, start a Pledge campaign. If not, don't. You might write more stuff along the way - if so, great. But know that you can deliver the basics before you start.
and see how long it is before they censor you!
Starts around 17:30. I haven't listened to all of it, but he says jokingly that fans give him a hard time and forget that he's human. The pledge material is described as mainly early stuff, and there's an implication that new songs are being held back for eventual release through a record label - apparent confirmation that all pledgers will receive is a few old songs re-recorded. He alludes to his health problems but doesn't explicitly address the huge delays in the process.
But I'm following this whole charade out of perverse curiosity. I can't believe how spectacularly wrong they've done this.
Hopefully on reflection they might consider it a good idea to stop promising to dispatch the product until they actually know it's going out.
so people have paid for a cd-r copy of songs that have been on youtube for years?
clearly written by a 1920s newspaper editor
...I find it quite amazing that an 'artist' can speak so enthusiastically about music and songwriting and yet still hasn't followed up a 2001 debut.
Sounds like a smart bloke with genuine passion. But as they say the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and I for one am fucking starving.
Apparently they just need clearance for their Kavinsky cover and then "the albums will be in your hands!"
It also requires them doing the artwork (if they haven't already) and getting the copies run off. Easy enough for most bands but can this lot manage it?
For something that is apparently a Pledge only release for the loyal pledgers they seem to be releasing a lot of tracks (demo/rough mix aside) for general consumption. Pledgers will probably only get one or two songs that no one has heard.
He's a tricky one to get a read on that's for sure. He did seem to imply there was a whole other album/double album forthcoming, and played off any pledge issues with an "aw shucks" ambivalence.
Loved Finelines and was proper hyped for the follow up but over time, I've come to accept that the original line up put out a great record and that's that. I'm sure there'll be a few decent tunes on the new record(s) but in all fairness, the hype will absolutely crush them.
Just waiting for the inevitable interview where Som admits to there being difficulties with the Kickstarter thing, then promises to turn things around, then there's even worse delays.
I thought he just joined them on tour a few years back?
Good news if he is of course.
In May 2013, the band played their first show in nearly four years at KOKO in London. Seth Taylor rejoined the band in September 2013.
Further information on our April 15th-17th & 22nd-24th weekenders.
The upcoming Stewart Lee curated ATP weekend (15-17 April) can now be fully confirmed by both ATP and Pontins as going ahead as planned. From the Pontins management team:
"Our customer services department has been made aware that the event 15th April is going ahead so any queries we receive we will inform them of this."
Should anyone wish to contact Pontins on this matter, please email them on email@example.com. ATP are also here to deal with any questions or queries you may have, please reach us at firstname.lastname@example.org
We would like to take this opportunity again to apologise for the length of time it took both parties to conclusively work through these organisational difficulties for the Stewart Lee event.
We are currently still fine-tuning some of these organisational details for the Drive Like Jehu weekend (22nd-24th April) alongside Pontins, with further information to be released next week. Again, we would like to assure customers who have purchased tickets, or those who intend to, that this event will be going ahead.
Regarding the ATP Iceland line-up announcement, we are delaying this until further notice, and until the details of both UK festivals have been completely finalised. Thank you for your patience.
have the CDs actually been sent out yet?
"Lots of new stuff. Maybe we should play live again. Also #Finelines anniversary show? Acoustic? Unusual venue?"
Looked for evidence of "Lots of new stuff". Not sure to what they are referring! Mirth ensues.
its pretty obvious now that they've pulled a fast one, they've totally taken everyones money and pocketed it.
In a weird way I kind of admire their chutzpah, to rip everyone off so brazenly in public and keep a straight face.
If you ask for a refund via PledgeMusic, you will get one (I haven't done this... yet). Pretty sure that even if they completely fled the scene, Pledge would have to front it. They do take a 15% cut.
that in no way whatsoever justifies the faith / adulation / en-masse stockholm syndrome of their fans and pledgers in support of a "possible" (by which I mean highly unlikely) inferior 2nd lp. IMO ;)
#Finelines anniversary show?
What, you mean you'll play a show largely made up of Finelines material. No different to any gig they've played since they formed then.
but now they will only have half of the original lineup so it's different
I may never get an album but all of a sudden I appear to be seeing them next week. Although I won't be able to get close enough to Som to ask him what the shit is going on...
While we await clearance from MCPS and pressing etc, we have some fun news….
The wonderful MUSE have offered us an opening slot with them next week at their o2 arena show! We first played with them and Coldplay at the (now sadly defunct) London Astoria all the way back when we started out in 2000. Matt said some great things about our early demos which helped us get signed to the same label group. They’re great guys and it’s awesome that they’re still flying the flag for British rock.
It’s going to be a stripped down set we’ve never tried before (Tash is away on maternity leave, limited set up time etc). Unfortunately the show is sold out, but if any of you have tickets get down there early!
Anyways, thanks for the patience and hopefully the CDs should be with you next month from the manufacturers etc. Thanks as always for your patience and support…. and for the great feedback on the videos…. we have more on the way!
We are blessed to have you!
I was amused/infuriated to receive this horseshit this morning.
Enjoyed this reply though:
"Ha - you'll probably turn up 5 months after the gig..."
'maternity leave' like they've very kindly given her some time off from all the painstaking days of My Vitriol work.
mean that people had now received their albums!
So, that'll be 8 songs from Finelines plus one 'new' one, probably a cover version.
album and EP from Future Of The Left's second prompt and successful Pledgemusic campaign since this thread was made
For Christ's sake, just leave it off and release the fucking CD. Nobody wants covers anyway. Interesting that they've jumped at the chance to play a big gig with Muse - mostly to people who don't know who they are - but can't get off their arses to organise a couple of dates for the very fans who've paid for them to ponce about in the studio for the last few years. No doubt 'socialite' Som will take the opportunity to post a picture of himself with the blonde bird from the Blurred Lines video.
and someone was showing a repeat of the Derren Brown special where he was going to shoot himself in the head, and one of the contestants at the start was wearing the classic My Vitriol Coca-Cola t-shirt that they are still flogging 13 years later. Made me immediately think of this thread.
so I won't get to throw anything at the stage after all. But to be honest, I wouldn't give them any more money (ie. by buying a gig ticket) if they played the pub next to my house for a quid.
Who've landed a support slot to an act the size of Muse at a huge venue after being out of action for so long.
Will be interesting to see how many new fans they pick up off the back of this. Surely it's great exposure even if the early billing means the venue is not totally full
Hence the support slot. Who you know innit
looks like they managed to play 6 songs.
Hello all you patient people!
The clearance for Nightcall came through finally…. HOWEVER we have now been informed in order to press up our own material ourselves (non CDR) we need to have a registered Record Label of our own. Great. Wouldn’t it be nice if musicians had to only play musical instruments and make songs ;) So needless to say we are in the process of doing this – but it means it would take until the end of the month at least.
Here are the tracks that will be on the Secret Sessions:
1. We’ve Lost Our Way
2. It’s So Damn Easy
3. (All These) Days
4. If Only… (God Only Knows)
5. The Agonies & The Ecstasies
6. London City Lights
7. Lord Knows How I’ve Tried
8. This Time
9. Rest your Tired Head
THE GOOD NEWS is things are still busy on all other fronts. Following the surprise o2 arena shows (which were a lot of fun!)… looks like we will be playing a few more arena shows with Muse as main support! Announcement will follow in due course. Thanks to those who came. We will upload some clips and shots from that too….
We are certainly hoping the CDs will be ready by that time! Of course if anyone is understandably impatient the refunds are open as always. Thanks for your patience and support…. and see you soon!!
So allegedly, we'll soon have a CD and can try and forget this episode.
You'd think, mind, that they'd have looked into the "how put a CD out" bit sometime in, say, the last couple of years.
It sounds like Muse are supporting them
surely it's time for the liner notes?
If not, then that'll bag them a few extra months of delays
and then apparently, we needed SONGS? WTAF?
I assume they blew the art budget on Sharpies.
Essentially, setting up a record label takes a couple of hours and he even gives them a link to a step-by-step idiots' guide to doing so.
We still won't see a CD for, absolute minimum, 3 months. By which time I will have moved house again and I'll never, ever see it.
1. We’ve Lost Our Way
2. It’s So Damn Easy
3. (All These) Days
4. If Only… (God Only Knows)
7. Lord Knows How I’ve Tried
8. This Time
PLEASE post this on their facebook page!
this baby can run for another 3 years
they'll probably start Crowdfunding for the next album before people have even received this one.
Long post complaining about the endless delays under the Red Tape post has been deleted since yesterday. Pretty poor show.
how much of my money they'll get this time.
Wonder how they'll be able to combine this with the complex procedure of registering a record label online.
The arduous process of setting up a record company that you can do in a few hours online has now been completed. So apparently the CDs can now be made, although that'll take a few weeks as it "has to be done in the EU". Then they've got to sign them (I didn't ask for a signed one). So apparently we'll see them after they've finished touring with Muse.
and then, and you're not going to believe this, the pen ran out. Seriously. Apparently you can only get the pens for writing on CDs by mail order from Bhutan, so it'll be January guys. Soz!"
a long read article on the guardian or a documentary film, i'd probably ignore them, thinking that it would take ages and i'd lose interest
but i've just read this entire thread for the first time, which probably took me at least 45 minutes in total
incredible stuff, going to enjoy following this now
i remember when i first got into PC gaming Duke Nukem Forever was a running joke as it had been delayed for so long and the GNR album Chinese Democracy was the same. this is so much weirder than either of those were
i have ended up listening to the band because of this thread. will not be listening to them again but damn, i can't wait for the next chapter in this story
is a deliciously apt FoTL song title for the lower part of this thread.
what a thread
Did anyone hear anything about a HDD crash originally being the reason the second album didn't happen back in the early 2000's? It seem crazy that it appears to have happened again on this project...
It's very obvious, really, and any band or producer with an iota of common sense would do it. It's certainly not a valid excuse for any half decent band to try and pull out to justify why they've not got anything done.
In case it gets deleted:
'Peter: Please note that unproductive / inaccurate comments will be deleted. This update is for those who requested a progress report, not as a platform for those seeking attention / blaming the band for issues out of their control.
about 3 hours ago
Andrew Dann commented
Okay great. So can we have a solid release date? If everything is ready to go, as suggested, then it should be simple to ask the manufacturer how long to expect for production and delivery and then add some time to account for delays and postage. You need to understand that saying 'a few more weeks' for more than a year is not acceptable not matter how patient people are.
Artist response about 3 hours ago
The post has effectively explained all that. I've noticed that you've made many negative comments in the past, Andrew. It's a waste of time explaining to you again and again that the album will be done when it's ready and the band are going as fast as they can - even at the expense of their health in the past.
If you cannot comprehend this, I would suggest you process a refund and leave only those that care about the band on this campaign.
about 3 hours ago
Andrew Dann commented
I've been perfectly reasonable in the past and you have been massively unprofessional. The post did not give a release date and that was all I asked.
Artist response about 2 hours ago
I shall process a refund for you now if you wish.
about 2 hours ago
Andrew Dann commented
Not what I asked for. I should have learned by now that basic civility is beyond you and that snotty to honest, simple requests is the mainstay here. I used to really love this band, but this has become joke tempered with contempt and total abuse of loyal fans. Keep the money and I'll see if a CD comes through, but I'm pretty well down with this 'band' and will continue to see with interest what the wider internet community has to say about your conduct.
about 2 hours ago
Andrew Dann commented
about 2 hours ago
Thomas Wilks commented
This is terribly unprofessional. It's really not hard to understand that someone who's paid money for goods would like to know when they might arrive. I mean, where have we heard "a few weeks" before...
Artist response 42 minutes ago
Absolutely understand. But impossible when out of the band's control would you not say? Shall I process you a refund?
36 minutes ago
Thomas Wilks commented
Who knows what to believe anymore Peter.
And yes, please process a refund. Many thanks!
33 minutes ago
Jesus who's the child running the pledge?
Ask a question/make a comment and you get greeted with "shall I refund you".
All we want is a release date aprx which isn't much after putting up w/all this bs
And no I don't want a refund.'
When this finally comes out DiS should do a review that chronicles this whole sorry saga for the ages. Seperate score for the cd and band as people.
to have this thread made into a leather-bound book.
One pledge = a copy for you and a copy to the original MV pledger of your choice.
These "Issues beyond the band's control" (which seems to have been used as a catch-all excuse for every single delay) shouldn't prevent them answering an honest question with an honest answer, should it?
'My Vitriol with My Vitriol'
'The Fine Lines between a kickstarter and kick in the teeth'.
Can someone link them to this thread, feel like there is some potential drama to be had
imagine they'll just mindlessly fav it
(or block me, which would be GREAT)
What did it say?
do I want to get into this?
"Hi. Noticed your messages" and nothing else. i haven't bothered replying.
was because i posted this which they've obviously deleted now :D
do it for all us pledgers, gunny. even though i didn't pledge but the sentiment still applies.
Does anyone have a spare dis account they could give to bypass the sign up approval period
but i want this to happen (as long as it's guntrip and not me)
and moodswings. war of the worlds EP was pretty good. no chance i'm funding a 10 track self produced demo though. give everyone their money back and crack on with album 2, boys (and girl)
send them the dramallarma account
before they realised he was screaming 'fuck you' at the end
At the Astoria. I am now going grey, have a dull middle management job and seemingly released the same number of albums since. This thread is beautiful.
sometimes there's a completely innocuous looking thread that always seems to be on the music board, always being bumped, and you never open it, and then one day you do, and ha! marvellous stuff
I didn't reply, and they followed it up with a long ramble about the 'negativity' being bad for the band, so I just let rip on them. Oops.
before they inevitably got deleted did you?
but they were no Feeder.
This thread is on thr first page of results
I hope theyve read it
Band takes longer than they said to release music. Big whoop. Do The Avalanches get this sort of stick even though they took 20 years to release anything new?
You crowd-fund because you like the music. You do it because My Vitriol are one of the greatest bands of a generation. You do it because you want them to be successful.
They don't owe you shit. It's this sort of attitude which made rock music sell out all those years ago and millennials have no idea what rock music is all about which is why so many of them are here complaining. Wah wah wah, where's my every-two-years-identikit-album?
If you truly cared about the band and the creative process, you'd WAIT. "Boo hoo, I can't listen to new My Vitriol material yet, my life is so awful". Go push a push pop!
Nice of you to take a break from your busy schedule and drop us all a line!
if I was Som I wouldn't be wasting my time posting on a boring notice board full of old men sitting at their office job desk in their faded radiohead t-shirts
At what point have they said that they wouldn't be sending out a CD? I must be having some memory problems....
your dubstep album was shit!
Technically. If you go by all of the 'just a few week, actually no' updates.
And by taking money off people, the band a obliged to provide what they were paid for. Or a refund with a shifty message.
If. You. Don't. Like. It. Get. A. Refund!
It's not that they haven't said they won't send out the CDs, it's that they haven't. They have constantly pushed back the timescale, even changed what it was from a second album to a bunch of demos. They have never been upfront about things and have been dishonest, never apologetic or showing any humility what so ever and have been pretty rude to people reasonably wanting more information. People can get refunds but after being strung along for years of unfulfilled promises it's fine for people to think this band are utter utter clowns.
Beautiful beautiful troll account.
yeah I am a bit dubious, this could be someone from their camp, or a super fan, but it could easily just be a disser on the wind up
I could get a refund, but how does that make up for the band's terrible attitude?
As has been stated by a fair few others: "They have never been upfront about things and have been dishonest, never apologetic or showing any humility what so ever and have been pretty rude to people reasonably wanting more information. People can get refunds but after being strung along for years of unfulfilled promises it's fine for people to think this band are utter utter clowns."
Didn't take £10 off all their fans 16 years ago on the promise of that new album arriving in a timely fashion.
£8 represents much better value.
it wasn't really much more than has been said here, that they're clowns with no idea how to run a pledge.
they've not replied but they've also not yet blocked me...
£8 for the download, £12 for the CD. So most of us are talking about £12. Before anyone says "all this fuss over £12", yes, I know. That's why most of us are talking about it on here rather than racing for refunds and/or getting our pitchforks out of our sheds. But there are still object lessons here in trust, and competency. A reasonably well known musician tweeted that this sort of thing (specifically citing MV) was eroding people's trust in the crowdfunding model, and so it's bad for everyone.
Imo even if it was only a fiver you'd still be entitled to at least ask when you were going to receive it and expect an answer.
Is an anagram of maosm. Makes you think.
had another string of tweets from them, telling me (a) I don't know what I'm talking about and (b) my opinion doesn't matter as I've not pledged.
"You seem to know more about the issues the band faced than I do!"
"Quite the contrary the band have been very clear about the issues. And the choices are simple. If anyone is fed up of waiting they can get a refund"
"Considering Som actually over worked himself into hospital I think your comments are rather insensitive. But you're entitled to your view despite not knowing the full story but thinking you do. X"
"How you suppose the band speed up the MCPS license for instance?"
"Regardless. The majority of fans have been very supportive and realise the climate is difficult for bands like this. And that the band have always allowed for a full refund. If you haven't even pledged I suggest it's not really your business to comment"
Like, Som ending up in hospital is obviously Not Good, but still. The MCPS comment in particular is ludicrous - I don't expect them to magically speed it up, but I would expect someone who commits to self-releasing a record to ~actually know how to do that~, y'know?
but i can't help but wonder what he was actually doing
They don't seem to be effective at all when things go wrong.
But being as they're just sending this out to people who have already paid it makes no difference whether there's an MCPS license in place or not surely? Unless they're expecting heavy radio play
but no one on this site is creative or funny enough to come up with something as mad as this
I managed to miss My Vitriol the first time around, and I've still not heard any of their stuff. It can't be as good as this thread - the complaining is better than the thing ever could be (like Prometheus)
they sound so 2001 i'm surprised people were enthusiastic enough to pledge in the first place tbh
on here, IckSmix?
a mute-branches post?
who fell completely in love with themselves (and still are).
The Muse tour isn't the issue, this has been going on for three years.
I can't feel sorry for the band not getting the funds in advance. The delays haven been way to many, this should have been cancelled a long time ago, showing some actual sense of commitment and respect to your fans. You can't honestly defend the years of empty promises. And the email you mention, that's not from me but PledgeMusic themselves, saying to me that they haven't heard back from you in regards to the numerous delays.
Keep making excuses, or admit that this has been a failure, cancel it, keep your dignity and show your fans some respect.
ARTIST RESPONSE ABOUT 10 HOURS AGO
This makes no logical sense. A usual album cycle is 2 years for most bands - and that's with a whole team record company etc. This is essentially two individuals.
The band have a choice - to make new music within the constraints they face, or not.
You have a choice. Be a true supporter and wait for it to be finished properly or get a refund and don't bother with an unproductive negative comment like this.
and then get a refund.
"FYI before you advise everyone how to run things - a usual album cycle is 2 years for most bands - and that's with a whole team of people and a record label. It's in the bands interest to finish quickly as they wont receive any funds from pledge until completion. They're massively out of pocket. It's shame people like you have to be so negative when I've seen the struggles they've had to go through - Som even ended up in hospital over working himself. But I guess that's not your concern. However: You haven't pledged so I don't understand why it would concern you at all. Good day."
Someone was really happy with that "an album cycle is two years!!!" line, eh
"You want me to record vocals...in the morning? When will I have time to blow dry my hair? What do these fans want - blood? Oh it's all too much..." (Swoons and collapses into divan chair, exhausted)
That a normal album cycle might be 2-3 years, but that refers to the recording, release, promotion and touring schedule for a record. They set up a pledge almost 3 years ago, took peoples' money (450% of the total as it stands) and haven't even had it manufactured yet. It's not unreasonable to point this out.
but i am intrigued.
"It's in the bands interest to finish quickly as they wont receive any funds from pledge until completion."
I thought it was odd that MV claim not to received any money from Pledgemusic, so i took a jook at their site's FAQs
What happens to the money?
In a traditional direct-to-fan campaign, fans are not charged until the project target is reached. Once your target is reached we transfer the funds into a dedicated “artist account,” which can only be accessed to pay the appropriate recipients (you, your band, the charity, etc.). This way, we’re able to ensure that all monies are accounted for and that it all ends up in the right place. If you fail to reach your target, pledgers are charged nothing.
After subtracting our 15% commission, we release 75% of funds raised immediately, via bank transfer or PayPal. The remaining 25% is delivered when your finished release is uploaded to the PledgeMusic site. If the project goes over 100% of the initial target, the balance will be paid upon full delivery of all exclusives to pledgers. All charitable contributions are paid upon the project’s completion.
[[ In a preorder campaign, fans are charged immediately, and money is disbursed upon project completion and fulfillment. ]]
It appears that the MV pledgeymajigger is a preorder campaign, which is probably why they haven't been paid (money DiSbursed). So i looked at the FAQs again...
How does a PledgeMusic campaign work?
We offer two distinct options for campaigns:
A PledgeMusic direct-to-fan campaign offers (yada yada yada) or video.
A PledgeMusic preorder campaign is similar to other e-commerce preorder campaigns, but bundles in all the communication and marketing tools that make PledgeMusic great. These tools allow artists to connect and market directly to their core fans, and spread the word beyond. For this type of campaign, fans are charged immediately upon pledging. [[ This type of campaign is designed for labels and artists who have already completed a recording, and are looking for a strategic way to pre-sell and market it. ]]
The text [[ in here ]] are the bits i'm trying to highlight. Are MV running a direct-to-fans campaign or a pre-order campaign? If they haven't received any money from pledgemusic then it must be a pre-order campaign, but why run a pre-order campaign (instead of a direct-to-fans campaign) if they hadn't already completed the recording ... in July 2013? Huh? What? J'habite à la campagne?
Talk to you soon.
Damian: am i talking nonsense?
That is, there was a target to hit then we got charged.
and then released My Vitriol's third album Tired of Tomorrow earlier this year. Somebody should tell Som to pay attention.
and they've already been paid! (75% of their initial target)
everything is back to normal
My Vitriol are so otherworldly they don't "measure" "time" using so-called earth years. They famously only recognise Jupiter years, each of which is roughly 11.86 earth years long.
As a result, they are in fact *way* ahead of schedule on a STANDARD TWO-YEAR ALBUM CYCLE.
but the band has gone out of its way to point out that this is not the second studio album. I'm not even sure what this collection of odds and ends is supposed to be classed as (it's not b-sides apparently either). Either way, three years is far too long.
I made all of these points and just got rudeness in reply
and all the songs were One Week.
And cracking album it is too.
how shall we celebrate? finelines listening party?
told them to go home and that they'd fucked his stage
can we listen to another band instead?
The REAL kings of 2001.
then why not have set a two year deadline in the beginning? I know that this has already been missed, but if the band knew that an album would take two years, why on earth did they not gives themselves the time before messing up, changing the deal and still not releasing after three years?
when you've had 16 years to write the bloody thing.
it's now a 7 track collection of songs, some of which date back over a decade, at least two of which are shite.
BREXIT: If you believe that it’s more a FACT than CONSPIRACY that “corporations effectively BUY politicians… and therefore LAWS that suit their privileged positions”… I would consider voting OUT. As it’s far easier to buy the faceless, unelected EU representatives who pass laws across our country and the whole region.
One of the biggest problems with the US system is this… and the POWER it gives the corporations to effectively go unchecked. The middle class are left to shoulder huge tax burdens while the corporations pay next to nothing.
I see this institutionalised, almost legalised form of corruption as one of the biggest challenges for the developed world. And now “they” want a United States of Europe effectively for THIS REASON.
Have you noticed that individuals with a corporate agenda have taken the stance of inducing as much fear in the public of voting out? BUT many ex-heads of banks and former captains of industry all side with the OUT vote now that they are free of that agenda. THERE IS A RISK OF STAYING IN TOO - it's not the "safer option"
GIVE with one hand, TAKE with the other. The “take” here is worth billions - enough to throw you a bone or two… They want you to worry about the workers rights / maternity leave / safer toys regulations they’ve thrown you via the media they own. All to make it seem like the EU PROTECTS the rights of the lay person, and to get all the Turkeys voting for Xmas (pardon the pun). When the UK could clearly adopt all these - when they were appropriate to the UK. (NB Also: To vote for PERMANENTLY receiving laws by an UNELECTED EU commission to keep "in check" a TEMPORARY democratically elected Tory govt would seem silly imho.)
This has always been an effective power strategy. Magicians use slight of hand to devastating effect…
They scare and distract the average middle class voter - who have far too little time to investigate this properly, as they’re busier paying the taxes the corps DON’T pay - into thinking their phone bills and travel costs would rise. LOL There’s no valid reason they would at all.
If we voted out, on June 24th we will have the position to NEGOTIATE in WHAT MANNER we stay involved with the EU. No doubt: VISA-less travel, EU citizens can still work here, free trade etc. When Greenland voted out of the EU in '85 they had to have a second referendum. If Norway and Switzerland can get these why couldn’t we? The UK has more bargaining clout than the two put together - the EU sells the UK way more than buys from us… it’s in their interest after all. Hopefully it will cause the EU to re-evaluate itself as it has morphed from a trade zone into a corpora-political entity hell bent on saving the failing Euro. Of course we love our sister nations of Europe - and all my friends in London from them. Long may this diverse city continue as such - and this WON'T need to change. This is more about autonomy, democracy, and rationale over emotion. Therefore it seems I need to vote OUT.
but then decided people were only going to get the In Rainbows bonus disc and that the album would be released separately, and lied continuously from 2005 to 2007 about it being ready
At least he thinks the vote is tomorrow.
given how good they are at moving the goalposts.
he just wants a Brexit so he can say "oh sorry guys, our CDs are being made in the EU and now that we've voted to leave it's going to take us a few months to get them! in fact we might have to scrap those and get some more made in the UK now. hope you understand!"
at a Llama Farmers gig, he gave me a CD of their demo which a few years later, once they were signed I sold on eBay for silly money.
I hope you didn't extort more than 7 pence out of the poor soul.
is almost worth it [joking].
so we've got something to cheer about if the referendum goes tits up.
schadenfreude of listening to Som make up excuses. I'm not surprised Som doesn't like Europe, after all, schadenfreude is a German word.
and leave them with no money. it's only fair
on hair conditioner and mirrors, they're not actually going to be able to honour the refunds are they?
ATP Newport Pagnell, curated by My Vitriol. Venue, line up and likelihood of occurring all considered doubtful.
JJ72 >>>>>>>>>> InMe
InMe were Kerrang tv fodder. JJ72 had tunes.
Meaning that they said the CD's should be out within a month and then totally fucked off. Good good.
that they may have actually released something........and then realise how stupid it is to even consider such a thing!
I remember them, they were good for a brief time but if it wasn't for this thread they would long be stored back in the memory banks of my indie 7" collection along with Cay and the Llama farmers etc.........where they should be.
Just for personal enjoyment, it would be good to see some kind of coordinated withdrawal of pledges from everyone so they all went through at the same time.
They are a disgrace.
shadow cabinet style
it's gonna be like that feeling when you finish a 1200 page novel that took you 6 months to get through and then it just ends and you feel nothing
How long would it take to organise an album of My Vitriol covers recorded by DiSsers and put it out on soundcloud/bandcamp/etc... And what is the probability that it could be ready before the MV pledge CD?
It would probably be better too.
Can I put my name to 'Gentle Art of Choking'? I'm in for this album
Mysteriouly vanished about a week ago...
That's the impression that I get!
Are you going to keep the style of it or do something outrageous with it? Tempted to do Vapour Trails as I have a ropey octave pedal from the distant past that matches the guitar tone
several band and solo releases, plus infinite free extras, with no hassles or issues - it can be done, people!
S***** S****** commented
over 2 years ago i made a pledge when the album was due the next day. i wouldn't even bother to download this even if I hadn't got a refund already. this isn't about patience. true fans aren't defined by those who'll be abused by an artist and keep their money for years, constantly breaking promises and never updated. I'm sure you'll delete this as you have no guts, but you lost a fan here.
ARTIST RESPONSE 26 MINUTES AGO
Sorry to hear this.
For the record the funds are NOT released to the act until the project is delivered - so it's in the bands interest as well to finish as they are hugely out of pocket. The pledge funds were only a small part of the total cost of production - and this was more a labour of love than an economic - or fiscal exercise. The band are not working with a whole record label / team behind them - and almost everything is being done by 2 individuals. I hope you can appreciate that takes significantly more time operating in this manner.
You've got a refund? If you haven't I'm happy to process it for you.
Isnt that the machine that usually causes delays to bands albums?
How much money have they spunked up the wall without producing anything?
not one bit, but apparently they don't get any money until the product is released.
That was my favorite one. I wonder if they've forgotten about that.
from the pledge music funding info.
1. 75% of the target minus 15% PM commission is released the Thursday after the funding finalizes. This equals 60% of the target amount (and accounts for all of PM’s commissioned funds on the target amount).
2. 25% of the target is released the Thursday after the download portion of the campaign is released on PM. If PM is not sending this release, or there is no digital release product, a bespoke payment request needs to be justified to accounting in order for these funds to be allocated.
3. All remaining funds above the target amount 15% PM commission are released the Thursday (post a 2 week holding period) AFTER ALL ITEMS HAVE BEEN MARKED AS SHIPPED
AN D all outstanding questions have been answered and closed.
they've been paid 60% of their original goal, and pledgemusic has been paid 15% of it, they'll be paid the last 25% of that target after they've stuck a download up, and the extra 350% once they've posted out those CDs.
and theyre still saying it's only a small part of the total cost. These have gotta be 9 of the most expensive demos ever made.
They haven't been paid a penny mate
Pledges with a target rather than just a preorder (and I don't even think PledgeMusic did preorders back then) do get some of the money upon funding, as above.
sorry, Damian :(
It's not like you took his money and then didn't give him what you promised for three years.
so the formatting went a bit weird. should be "minus 15%" again in the last point
Worst pledge campaign in history?
Which is cool. No word on the pledge album though.
"Given that the pledge has been open since 2013 this suggests a spectacular level of shortsightedness, wilful idiocy and contempt for the fans who funded the whole debacle."
they've managed to keep their shit to themselves without resorting to nappies.
So I've pdf'd it for posterity.
before we ever see the album.
I really have no idea what is happening with this.
They don't strike me as the kind of gang who could sort themselves out enough to keep an eagle eye on their Wikipedia page.
But looking at that forum (linked above) of disappointed people who just care and just love the band and just want to stop being fucked around, makes me feel sad.
Rock n Roll should be about the people and the fans and love and treating folks right - and the second it edges towards this 'us and them' elitist bullshit, it loses all credibility. Sad and disappointing.
We are excited to confirm that the album ‘The Secret Sessions’ is now finished. This campaign will be closed to any further orders on the 31st September in order to prepare and dispatch orders to you."
Finally gonna get my CDr of demos, covers and re-workings of old songs!
In a moment of rare attention-paying, they've actually changed the date from the 31st to the 30th.
So despatch of... whatever it is, begins in a month. Right?
Anyone that ordered a signed copy now gets their name on the sleeve as thanks for patience. Anyone that didn't can pay to upgrade if they like. Hmmm, "tempting"...
Som has just opened the CD cases and turns out all the CDs are all broken. gonna be a few more months, thanks for your patience everyone xx
Ce n'est pas gratuit.
we'll keep trying lost property but otherwise we'll have to make new ones
Preparation begins on 31st September!!
the band realise just how difficult is is to obtain actual CDs these days thanks to, like y'know, the digital revolution and the fact Woolworths doesn't exist anymore.
No doubt an order will go straight into Acme Music Corp. (Tasmania) with the 'speedy delivery' option (via the distribution factory on Mars) paid for, because the fans shouldn't have to suffer any longer just because the format landscape has changed so rapidly.
A lot of you have asked – so here are the 10 tracks that will be on the Secret Sessions (in no particular order):
We’ve Lost Our Way
(All These) Days
London City Lights
Lord Knows How I’ve Tried*
Rest Your Tired Head
The Agonies & The Ecstasies
And of course (with video links):
If Only… (God Only Knows) – http://tiny.cc/MVIfOnly
NightCall – http://tiny.cc/MVNightCall
It’s So Damn Easy – http://tiny.cc/MVDamnEasy
The new recordings sound great and we’re excited for you to hear them!
As stated on the last update – please check your order’s mailing address is correct before the end of the month, and anyone who’d like to be on thanked on the sleeve notes for being involved in this campaign – the signed CD option closes on Sept 16th. All the names will be listed in the format of (First Name Surname) unless otherwise stated.
(Anyone who purchased the more expensive items such as guitars, drum skins etc will also be thanked. It’s likely a few more of these items will be made available here before the campaign closes!)
Hope you’re all well! More news soon :)
this question was asked by a pledger:
Having been so faithful, can i be in the thanks list name too?
...and the response:
Hello Peter and Malk. Som had initially suggested this but sadly there isn't enough space in the sleeve for every single name. Essentially everyone who pledged more than £30 or so has been thanked.
...so, erm, "we ran out of paper". Or something. Also, that tracklist above is "in no particular order". If the thing's ready to print, they'd know the order, right?
this thread will now continue here: http://community.drownedinsound.com/t/my-vitriol/201/22