comes out on non-specific date in 2014
"give us money to finish this"
but just call it that, innit
just do one of those pledgefund things
That trailer was bloody useless and almost bereft of sound - this has to be one of the most work-shy bands in existence! Someone please tell Som that he blew it and just go back to the day job already
christ it must suck to be you
I realise that a lot of my posts have come from this negative headspace, which can be traced to endlessly scanning online for a new my vitriol album...that never came...*sobs bitterly*
But clearly not. I doubt they've even written it tbh.
I just want grungy shoegazey pop songs goddamnit!
Really good ones, from what I remember. I'd say I'm feeling tempered optimism, with an overarching sense of "eh, something's always better than nothing".
Also it's only Som and Ravi left in the band with Ringo Starr's former burlesque dancer granddaughter on bass and another guy on guitar. Kind of like their obvious idols Smashing Pumpkins then, really, but on a smaller scale.
and moodswings i think was probably the best thing they did back then, was so psyched for a new album when that came out. testament to them that people care at all this many years later. don't expect it to have the same effect on me but there's no reason it wont be as good. that said, seth will be missed.
now THERE'S a first tier shoegaze act...
how can they afford to be working on a record for fourteen years? Surely they've all gone back to actual jobs or something by now? It's so bizarre.
third tier shoegaze with two ok singles, and that's about it
Has never listened to Finelines
Didn't grab me.
I'm not going to pre-order something over six months before it can possibly show up on my doorstep. Three months tops. As said in this thread before, no-one would begrudge them a Kickstarter style project.
They've got new tour dates towards the end of the year. Will expect a single or EP around then.
I *love* how this is still the official MyVitriol site.
Looks like it's been knocked together on FrontPage in 1997.
and riding the mbv bandwagon
coke t-shirt couldn't be more mid-90's if it tried
but saying myvitriol (of course).
They were £4 and you got a free poster with it.
magnificently awful merchandising
And it did.
Thank you all for emailing in. We have some news for you :)
We are recording our new album over summer and felt it would be in the spirit of rock ‘n’ roll to have all you lovely people involved from the start. This week the pre-orders go live for the NEW ALBUM via an exclusive page which will be the portal leading up to the release of the record early next year.
Those who pre-order will get access to exclusive content, limited & one-off experiences and we’ll be posting photos, videos, demos, blogs and anything else we can think of along the way.
MV will be releasing a track in October and to coincide have announced fan shows around the UK:
Oct 22 BRISTOL Fleece & Firkin
Oct 23 MANCHESTER Gorilla
Oct 24 GLASGOW King Tuts
Didnt pre-order though :|
was clearly written circa 2007
That's pretty small for them. Halloween after party if you're willing to drop another £15 on top of the £20 ticket.
If you get the lyrics to a song written down (£29), can you send them back if you don't think the handwriting is neat enough?
they're just running a bit behind schedule
FFS. Get 150% of Kickstarter, start cancelling dates...
but no one ever sees the person.
In all fairness, I really like Finelines so I like that they're doing this, it reminds me to listen to it.
Played loads of new stuff, seemed in the most part heavier. Totally front loaded the set with new stuff. Due on stage at 9.30, came on at 10, to a restless crowd, played til half 11 by which time 2 thirds of the crowd had left. Still using the finelines backdrop, still trying to shift their awful merch (including the myspace t shirt). Apparently recording the album next month
Not sure if I enjoyed it or not. It wasn't helped by the couple in front of me who seemed to be acting out an episode of Skins
Have they been gathering dust for the past however many years then?
Finelines is excellent, one of the few albums from my teeens I still rate really highly.
Odd to think theyd be about 5 or 6 albums in if they carried on at a 'normal' pace.
I am somewhat lacking enthusiasm for this gig, I'm not sure why as I like them live (I'm actually a bit poorly). Your review has done nothing to encourage me to go along.
They were very good. Charming, even. The new stuff is great and the old stuff has been given a bit of a shake up. On the strength of that I'd recommend it
Loved it. Good blend of new and old. I havethe setlist somewhere in my bag if anybody wants to see what kind of thign they're doing (although I believe the list was a bit different from Bristol.)
London city lights clip…
War of the Worlds
The Gentle art of choking
It’s so damn easy
Under the wheels
Windows & Walls
Kohlstream -> cemented shoes
Spirit Still Remains
Ode to the Red queen
Taprobane -> losing touch
The agonies & the ectstasies
Alpha waves -> Always : your way
Tongue tied –> C.O.R.
Good to know they're still putting on a decent performance, I am very intrigued in how the new stuff sounds as I loved Finelines!
As everyone is saying, let's just hope they actually bring out the bloody record now.
a number of people (myself included) have actually paid for it now. Before it was their prerogative.
Plus the new songs.
...and it's a Kavinsky cover http://vimeo.com/110623131
Aren't they self producing though and have amassed lots of material?
who've been playing new songs live for nearly ten years and then expecting an album to be done quickly
If I remember correctly.
Their pledge updates seem to suggest album is nearly ready then all goes quiet
The original pledge page had a deadline date, and i think a lot of people assumed if it wasn't done on time then we'd get our money back.
So far, they not only missed various deadlines, they also announced that the pledge money would be spent on a proper album (which we'd have to buy again) and pledgers would get basically an out-takes album.
Out-takes album has also missed various deadlines.
Still, Finelines was great :'D
but I should have done really. They've f****d this up beyond belief.
It's completely ridiculous how they have missed deadline after deadline. The blame solely lies with Som Wardner being a pretentious, egotistical prick.
They are a complete joke of a band. I wish the Pledge people would tell them to fuck right off and refund everyone who Pledged.
but their handling of this has been contempuous. You're right, PledgeMusic should cancel it. My preferred option though would be for MV to cancel it themselves, apologise, give pledgers a download of the "offcuts" they were working on, self-fund the second album then let us decide whether we want to buy it or not when it's done. Hardly drastic measures considering how it's gone. Do all of the above and I'd probably buy it.
on the Pledgemusic site. There's one from MV on 10th Oct (2014!) that says the Secret Sessions album should be ready to go "within the month". 10 MV tracks and a cover version, presumably the one they released for Hallowe'en.
Hopefully an announcement this week......yeah right!
...and all of those tracks should be new ones (even if they don't constitute "album 2"), and not sound like they were recorded into a bucket in the neighbouring room. And preferably they should be decent. Otherwise I'm getting my pitchfork out of the attic.
Finelines came out over 13 years ago. They've been playing new songs since January 2005. Since their first album came out we've had new albums from Guns N Roses and My Bloody Valentine, both things that seemed ridiculous even when they started their comeback.
Even the Pledgemusic page was a pisstake, littered with the same old quotes ("Best band in the world!" - Chino Moreno, uh, around the time White Pony came out) and a bio that was clearly written in about 2007.
This is just another level of shit, though.
I though from updates I saw earlier in the year this was almost good to go.
Is there even going to be a proper album as such or just rough demos etc?
Finelines is great and it still really stands up today. MV were the first band I ever saw as a teenager so I'd love to see a follow up surface.
but honestly, why has it taken them so fucking long to do anything? It's absolutely insane. Fifteen years!
Deadline after deadline has been missed. Your money no longer buys the 'second album' but instead a 'secret sessions CD'. No doubt this won't be an exclusive as they are saying either. It is bound to turn up on the 2CD of the commercially issued second album.
They have no idea how to run a pledgemusic campaign. Months and months of silence followed by a picture of Ravi's new baby. Hmm. Great update. They should take a look at campaigns run by Ginger Wildheart, Kerbdog, Tim Wheeler, Grant Nicholas etc. They make the pledgemusic thingy a proper experience and offer real extras rather than just use it as a pre-order site. They also met their promised deadlines.
MV also threatened to remove all negative comments from their page.
They have removed numerous comments from their pages on Pledgemusic. And I also thought that the 'exclusive' Secret Sessions CD won't stay 'exclusive' for long.
As you say, Ginger Wildheart has done 4 or 5 highly successful Pledge campaigns in the past 3 years. Released about 60 high quality songs. Kept the fans involved (he recorded 30 tracks for his first Pledge, put them on Pledge then asked the fans to vote for their fav tracks for a commecially available 12 track CD). MV seem to think that an apologetic message every month will keep their fans appeased. Fuck 'em.
Glad I didn't bother pledging to this now.
Plus is there only 2 of them now? when they play live they use a stand in guitarist and bass player?
They're pretty much the only band from my teens I still really like and want to see play again so I hope something arrives. Just think how many valbums they'd havecmade by now if they continued at the normal pace of an album every 2-3 years...
Apparently all the music they recorded since the end of October has disappeared!
And Som is suffering from stress.
'Heroin' more like
Really excited when this was all announced but it seems a lot of good will has evaporated with continual delays, weird drip fed info, pretty awful covers and the strange decision to completely change what people were paying for after they paid for it. Poor form.
But fuck 'em. I've just cancelled my Pledge.
I got a snotty e-mail from them saying that I've only paid £12 for the Pledge, whereas they have went through blood, sweat and tears to get the album finished.
I replied saying that I have actually spent hundreds of pounds over the years buying all their CD singles and albums and seeing them live about 20 times and that if it wasn't for people like me 'only' paying £12 then they wouldn't have a Pledge campaign to complete, or a career in the first instance.
They sent you a nary message? Surely that's a bit mad?
But this thread has become a genuine source of fascination.
art out of adversity n all that though
This is all just making me pretty sad
"...get the album finished"?
By their own admission, what we're getting isn't the album. And they won't say what it actually is. 4 tracks? 10 tracks? And if it's album length, are polished up versions of most of those tracks going to constitute the eventual album? And if not, why are they saying that what we're getting isn't an album?
I'm tempted to cancel my Pledge. So I can expect an abusive email if I do?
2015: My Vitriol?
just asking questions.
I mean, Finelines is an absolute top 10 classic of a record. I would've said it was a complete accident but the stuff they've put out afterwards, almost without exception has been great (the leaked demos that surfaced a few years back are as good as anything on their debut). They do seem to be fond of putting out covers which...well, are a bit bobbins (Martika, Lana Del Ray and Kavinsky) which is a litte worrying though.
I'm keeping my pledge. We'll see how it goes. I think it was about £25, paid that about 8 months ago. Come on My Vit, get your s**t together!!
....so what happened to that? It sounded like it was finished and ready to go and that was 2006 or somewhen?
Also i think from an interview they posted they are self funding some as the pledge won't cover all funds.
ie, in June, then they wouldn't have to spend extra cash on studios/producers/etc
I don't wish to sound unsympathetic, but I know (and work with) a band of (presumably) lesser financial means that did an unbelievably good job of a Pledge campaign, with three out of the four band members in day jobs, and that makes me that little bit less sympathetic for people that have failed so spectacularly...
with regards to statements and gigs that didn't end up being played?
I'm doing an article but I can't be bothered making an effort to research it.
There was actually only 1 gig cancelled and that was the London Heaven Halloween show in 2013.
their 'comeback' gig was January 2005 at the Islington Academy, which was the first time they did new material
they also played more shows through 2006/2007, maybe into 2008? they did a tour with a burlesque troop starring Andrew Sachs' daughter post the Russell Brand/Jonathan Ross thing.
release wise they did a two-track single on Org Records under the name 'A Secret Society' and an EP on Xtra Mile. Both of those were around 2007/2008.
They should get a job at the daily mail.
I'd like to read this.
three times what it costs for Jordan to write it, just on a promise like
- Poor, ambiguous 'updates'
- Changing the product
- Censorship and bitchiness
- Flogging signed/handwritten stuff for silly money
- Playing the stress card to curb criticism
I haven't even pledged and this has pissed me off.
of why it's taken so long for them to even finish an album? I can sort of understand it with bands like The Stone Roses/Guns N Roses/whoever where they've got a fuckload of cash, fans and time to sit around and get things 'perfect'. But we're talking about a B-list British indie band. It's completely incomprehensible to me.
Meaning 'lost' recordings. An insult to their fans' intelligence.
What gets me most though is the signed tour posters, drum heads, and made-to-order handwritten lyric sheets. So the band can't get their shit together for long enough to finish the album people have paid for (three times over), but they've plenty of time to scribble down a few words for an extra 30 quid a pop? This stuff should be included as a bonus for pledgers, not sold separately for personal gain. A truly shameless exploitation of fan loyalty.
I've really fucked that up.
link them to this thread.
he could do it
Of course, making the fucking album everyone's paid for would have been nicer, but hey.
...of Som jamming with that guy from Muse. I dunno
Is he taking the piss? Offering excuses about ill health in the same post that shows him schmoozing with rock stars? This pledge campaign has been running since July 5th, 2013 - 19 months yesterday, and no sign of a record. PledgeMusic need to shut this one down.
I think it's time I spam the thieving fuckers with links to the thread?
Anyway, these aren't protected:
'Shipped by the end of next month at the latest'
Really hope this arrives as everything I have heard thu far sounds great. Pretty much the only band from my teens I really still rate.
or the collection of offcuts?
If its the songs they played live at their various shows since 2005 that'd be good. Great live band.
I'm hoping that what (finally) arrives is a CD of at least ten new songs of reasonable quality, whether they sound collectively like a whole album or not. I'll never give them another penny in advance, mind, and I hope they're never daft enough to ask.
If it turns out to be something like six rough cuts on a CD-R, I'll never give them another penny even if the next album (yeah, right) turns out to be Sergeant ruddy Pepper.
Yeah...we'll see. Be nice if it was imminent but it has been said before. Once about a decade ago
May 10: "Mixing this week! All things going smoothly, the album should be done and manufactured & shipped by the end of next month at the latest. Fingers crossed!"
July 21: "Here's another rough mix of a new track..."
See you in 2016 for more conjecture about which ones of us will still be alive when they release it.
That the May 10 quote above is an actual one and today's update is a paraphrasing. It seems almost daft to be saying "for balance"...
"Agonys And XTC'S", which is on that bootleg thing you can download. It's the strongest thing they've done since "Always..." but the new mix is just Soms vocal over some really quiet guitars. It's very peculiar.
but I did look yesterday at the comments. If there's any "yes, but where's the album?" stuff, that's being deleted. All I'm seeing is "the sound mix is wrong" comments. I don't want to hear ropey incomplete tracks.
The finished product, if we ever get it, is going to be unmastered demos on a CD-R, isn't it?
I can confirm that this is the case. I posted on their Facebook page yesterday to ask why the 'end of next month at the latest' promise wasn't kept. Post gone. All that's left are the comments of fawning fanboys.
Surely they've got a manager or a team behind them? It's all so scattershot and bizarre. Wouldn't a manager be like "don't upload that...just, WAIT a bit". I get they want to show people that they're still doing stuff but this all seems very amateurish, which part of me quite likes, but it's definitely hurting them.
it's just them doing it themselves. But I mentioned above that I had worked with a band that ran a very successful (and generous) Pledge campaign on a completely DIY footing. Well, they've now done a second one, equally successfully, and another band I help out have now done it too. It's not a money thing, either - one of the bands got 1500 pledges, the other around 300, the latter being a quarter of what MV have had. Excuses are just excuses.
The sound of tumbleweed.
For the forthcoming quadruple album, due out in September.
But somehow lost ALL the master tapes.
so will likely never see this album, should it ever exist, because this band is ridiculous and very unlikely to be able to handle anything as complex as updating a spreadsheet. Let me know if it's any good, yeah?
I think you change your address with PledgeMusic, and come the point that they send out CDs (should such a thing ever happen) they'll get the list from there. Happily, this is one thing the band isn't responsible for administrating. So in case you're feeling optimistic, I'd go and update your details on there...
I've done that, I was pessimistic as the band emailed probably 3 months ago saying they needed the final address list sorted and for everyone to make sure their details were correct, so figured they were likely to fuck this up too.
When I went and changed that, I saw that the only other pledge I'd done was for ...Trail Of Dead's Tao pt III, which I paid for on the same day. It arrived less than 6 months later, a finished actual CD signed by the whole band. My Vitriol's expected completion date is still listed as 16 June 2014.
Even if you hadn't updated your address you'd still get the mp3 download. Of course that depends in the project getting finished.
Even if you hadn't changed your address you'd get the mp3 version. That depends on the project actually getting done though...
This is what it said:
Firstly apologies for the radio silence. We have been waiting on some mixes for a over a month now…. but as we are pulling favours to make this happen etc – the ball is kinda in their court. Therefore we certainly can’t make any promises on completion date, as it’s out of our control, but anyone impatient is entitled a full refund at any point.
We’re very excited for you guys to hear it! It’s been a long rocky road up to this point. Even the rough mixes are sounding cool, but having posted some in the past…. we realised the majority of you wanted to hear the final product.
A sneak peak of the track list so far:
London City Lights
It’s So Damn Easy
If Only…. (The Spirit Still Remains)
The Agonies & the Ecstasies
Rest your Tired Head
This Time (new)
(All These) Days
and 2/3 others!
Speak to you soon!!
So there you have it. That's "calling in favours" to finish a record that received over 200% of the minimum funding. Two things to note at this point:
1) At the time of writing they haven't yet deleted all the negative comments as per usual
2) I gather that anyone that has requested a refund to date has received a not-exactly-friendly email.
I got an unfriendly response a few months ago when I cancelled.
Love the line "having posted some rough mixes in the past we realised you guys wanted to hear the final product"!!!
Of fucking course we wanted to hear the final mixes. What a fucking ridiculous thing to say!
Plus they still haven't finalised how many tracks will be on it.
A joke of a band
This is totally unacceptable, but the fact that PledgeMusic won't step in is shocking. Makes the site look really bad.
Several times - got nothing.
so I suspect they only jump in when a band says "we can't do it". Which they ought to have said.
Other bands have messed up too that I know of, Killing Joke to give one example.
I agree, I should add. They definitely should have stepped in.
The will get their money up front from the artist.
I guess there would be bad exposure for them but as you say there are thousands of bands (and fans) who see this crowd funding system as the way forward so it will take a lot of fuck ups for pledge to suffer.
wilfully change the thing they're going to deliver though? that's crazy.
In that legally speaking no final product is guaranteed? Of which case why would they step in
You can cancel your pledge though, it's not as though you're locked in.
Also, it sounds as though the band have had some data loss and illness along the way. The pledge fund only makes up part of the funds I think.
Just to add balance. It is a shame this has been so slow, I agree.
If it was more than a tenner I'd have withdrawn months ago. I sort of want to see what we get, out of morbid curiosity. If they fail completely, PledgeMusic can refund us. They take 15% on all pledges.
The hold-up is because the mixing engineer has been taking absolutely fucking ages, but the ordeal is finally coming to an end now.
Delay is indeed because of mix engineer. They've popped a provisional tracklist on the update which has a worrying lack of previously unheard material. We'll see I suppose. I've waited this long, I can wait a little longer. At least he didn't say he was locked in a Wetherspoons bathroom
the pledge thing got almost 400% of their goal
FINELINES WAS RELEASED IN 2001. IT'S NOW 2015.
As much as I loved them 14 years ago, this band are a total farce.
they were hardly a top tier band at the time. Think of any other 'recent' shoegaze band with just ONE album to their name who anybody would give even the remotest shit about in 14 years time. I certainly can't think of one.
I assumed they had long disappeared then saw this thread a while back. Am surprised about the whole affair and anyone still has money pledged or whatever is foolish - take it back!!
If they were a band just taking ages but had only used their own money etc then fine, do what you want, but to keep taking pledges and delaying it over and over again with bullshit excuses in nonsense. Find someone else to mix it - it's not that hard.
is that there's just a complete lack of progression or new material over the past decade and a half. Even the odd live gig they do is stuffed full of the same songs over and over (even if a few of them are unreleased). I've literally no idea what they do with themselves.
they sit their believing of their own myth, safe in the knowledge they they've accumulated a nice cult of pledgers.
Som recently updated his Facebook cover photo to a picture of him sitting with Ellie Goulding and Chris Pine at London Fashion Week. The mixing engineer excuse is bogus. This lot think they're big time.
don't not give a fuck about their audience.
Not one of their excuses holds any water. The money they've raised would fund the creation of multiple albums in this day and age. They're abusing the trust of their audience and, simply, taking the piss.
Get your money back while you can. IF this record ever comes out, buy it then, but stop putting your faith in these people.
'Some did not read the post properly it seems. As this states, the mixing is out of the bands control... Therefore the situation if [sic] even more frustrating for them. Hopefully the restless minority will bear in mind it's very easy to criticise etc but much harder to create. MV have invested a lot more blood sweat & tears into this project ...than an £8 contribution.
'This is incorrect. The pledge funds were always only a PART of the budget. The record has cost a considerably more [sic] which the band are funding. Scheduling between the other projects of the chosen mixer is the main issue. The project is almost at completion having started 2 years ago, and this is a regular album cycle for most acts. Refunds are always open and available for anyone impatient. Anyone unfairly trolling on here will get messages deleted. Repeat offenders will be blocked.'
So the band 'have invested a lot more...than an £8 contribution'? That's one way to thank your loyal fans. It's not unfair to point out that communication has been poor and that promises haven't been kept. Maybe if the band showed a bit more humility, people would show more understanding.
If they claim the £8 contributions were only part of the budget, then they are effectively saying that they are making a loss on every album sold.
All this time I though My Vitriol were a band. I didn't realise they were actually a charity providing music to the needy.
well, no. that would only be true if the only copies sold were to pledgers. presumably this would get a wider release.
(probably will only sell to pledgers, mind.)
Even in my most optimistic moments I could never imagine that there are tens of thousands of sleeper My Vitriol fans out there, just dying to hear the new album but without the will to pledge.
I was a big fan of their first album but I don't think I'll be getting this one - partly because it seems to have become such a pariah.
Odd post to put. Is that from the official band page? A dignified silence would have been better.
so are pledgers getting the album now? or still just a CD of outtakes?
But man, what a brilliantly awful Facebook post. Nice work, dickheads.
passive aggressive FB post. "RESTLESS MINORITY!!!!".
Also, they've only been working on this album for 2 years? What the fuck have they been doing for the remaining 12?
As I cast an eye over the VIP section on the first floor I noticed Som was part of the throng and I instantly thought of this thread!
He was very good at drinking, flicking his hair, talking to a pretty girl, flicking his hair, air drumming, flicking his hair BUT at no point did I witness him pull out his phone to chase up a seemingly uncommitted sound mixer...
I can only think to say that just about every other band, ever, has done this much, much better, including one which relates to a band I help out. They did an amazing job but I'm not naming them here so it isn't a plug. A few have had delays and given good reasons. This is not the same thing. And talking of "not the same thing", people should remember what people originally pledged for, and what we're (apparently) getting now.
And they fundamentally misunderstand the Pledge model if their intention was to deliver the record 2+ years after funding it. If that was their intent then they should have been upfront about it. As opposed to giving an entirely misleading delivery date.
never read this thread before, interesting read all in one go. Don't understand how they still have a following, they were really a third rate band at their peak, like three colours red level of badness. There was a weird lull at the end of the century when it was really slim pickings for anyone who got into the music in the mid 90's (although with hindsight lots of great stuff happening but too low profile) this band epitomises that era.
mv had something really indefinably good about them and at their best were much bigger than the sum of their parts, and developed a really devoted following which somehow keeps up despite all this.
I don't know, I think the indicator of a good band is whether it spreads beyond their original fanbase through word of mouth and new people discovering their music over time. Not sure if that has happened, people in MV threads always seem to be people that were into them at the time displaying a nostalgic attachment, it is impressive they have kept those peoples interest but I can't think of any comparable examples of mildly successful bands dangling a follow up for so long
I liked their first album so I pledged for (pre-ordered) their second album. That's all this is really about. If I pined wistfully for a long-forgotten era I wouldn't be paying for new music!
I love 3 Colours Red!
there is so much great music in the world, no one needs to listen to three colours red
I can't think of any other album that pulls in Shoegaze, Metal (ish) riffs and Indie-pop all in one go to sound so interesting (please recommend if you can).
They're really great live too. Koko a few years back was superb.
A place to bury strangers
It still does stand up. Their follow up stuff (B-side collection, EP, demos for second album that never came) was in many ways equally as strong. It's a shame to see what's happened. It seems like the image of Som as a socialite does him no favours, but really, who gives a s**t. It has no real bearing on anything, and a lot is quite possibly just out of their control. I hope they can turn it around, there probably IS only a vocal minority that are clamouring for their heads (or what they pre-ordered).
The main problem with this pledge has been the band and its representatives conduct. The music is still great but the way they have communicated with their fans during the project has been terrible.
Has gone on employing somebody to write arsey Facebook posts and emails on their behalf.
Had a listen this morning. Some slightly passive aggressive, "you can get a refund if you want..." talk, but no real update. They haven't heard from the mix guy for 7 weeks?! Maybe get someone else? Anyway, song's ok. Quite nice in places.
This is what they wrote:
As always Pledge are happy to process an automatic refund for any one doesn’t want to see this to fruition…. So we kindly request that the minority who are constantly negative no matter what refrain from spoiling the fun for everyone else so we can stay in communication etc!
that's a refund for anyone that doesn't want to see it through to fruition. Because I've lost count of the amount of times that I've backed a Kickstarter/PledgeMusic project that I didn't want to see through to fruition. Not "for anyone that's a little fed up of waiting, and knows that delays happen, and knows that the unforseeable happens, but realises that this level of poor communication and inaction is pretty damning".
So yeah, I haven't asked for a refund yet.