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noel + liam
apart from a few odd songs post-The Bends they've been average at best.
If they'd given up after The Bends they could've been mentioned in the same breath as such luminaries as Dodgy, Ocean Colour Scene and The Boo Radleys.
I mean, they did things differently but I'd say destroying your legacy isn't about doing some albums that people don't like or appreciate, it's more about trading on those early hits to try and imply you're still good.
I certainly don't think you could ever claim Radiohead trade off their early sound or songs, or in any way make a mockery of them.
Peter 'please hang this bellend from a meat' Hook
he's done more than most artists in his position have/would. not all of its worked and his solo material is meh but yeah
ps I'm a moderate fan of The Smiths but really that's where it ends. just think he's not anywhere near as bad as the others in the OP
Not really his fault he's never found another Morrissey.
His made some decent records with some interesting people (and a few less good ones) and generally seems to have had a good time playing guitar and being a pretty cool guy.
But it's pretty inoffensive in my view
is hardly representative of his solo album. There's some brilliant stuff on that.
he's never really properly committed to anything else apart from The Smiths, so he'll only really properly be remembered for The Smiths
So surely doesn't count
the quality of their song writing has fallen off, but that happens to pretty much everyone. they were always very cocky, it's not like they've become total nobends due to their success, unlike axl rose.
Noel has regained some dignity with his High Flying Birds LP but Liam has destroyed any legacy he may have had with his Beady Eye pub rock nonsense.
They released too many poor albums towards the end of their careers.
I would easily put those albums over anything they released in the 90s. though The Eternal was one of their worst.
they should have just split up after "Spiderland"
Imagine if they'd released another classic. WOah.
I think you're confused. Tweez came before Spiderland...
remember that came out after spiderland probably getting that mixed up with tweez? it was a while ago... EPIC FAIL!
but hey it wasn't that bad! Nowhere near bad, or even well known enough to ruin their legacy surely!
as i say it was a while ago, i'll have to give it a reappraisal, i regret my original Slint post now, this isn't facebook though i can't delete my past posts :-(
were recorded before Spiderland (possibly during the Tweez sessions, not entirely sure).
It's two tracks and they are FUCKING INCREDIBLE. It's seriously up there with Godspeed's New Zero Kaneda EP. WHAT THE BLUE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN SMOKING?
I mean in that EP you basically the template for everything Mogwai went on to do. The version of Rhoda on there is so much better than the version on Tweez and Glenn is likewise, incredible.
Finally it's worth pointing out that the record label put that out after the band split up. Don't think they had anything to do with it.
where he says that Slint fans have something to look forward to this year. I'm curious as heck.
not really ruining their first 3 albums, but you can't say they're a flawless band any more with the two recent efforts.
But now there's two bad reunion albums, and one for both The Stooges and Iggy & the Stooges :(
up to 2004 they were great after that I'm not sure what happened...
since Sleeping with Ghosts, everything's just been a bit too vanilla and it all feels way too much like it's more about surface and image (admittedly it sort of was before, but they were one of those very occasional cases where that sort of band had actually put effort into making the music interesting as well)
Breaks my heart.
singing along to Bizarre Love Triangle while I'm cooking the dinner. If someone covertly filmed it & put in on YouTube I still wouldn't cringe as much as I did watching this.
I remember stood in front of Hooky circa 1990 in the Wolverhampton Wulfrun Hall.... He was in a bad ass mood and his low slung bass did the intro to 'Sunrise' like this....
What have you done Sumner?
I'd give my left nut to be in that moshpit.
here's a CD from about five years ago, and some old men dancing around badly!
ruined The Cribs for a while.
'Ruined' would be pushing it, but they'd be taken more seriously if they'd thrown in the towel 10-15 years ago
of a band releasing a good new album that underscores the fact they don't really make good albums anymore (though I've always thought there's a bit of wishful thinking to people saying it's up there with the actual Ritchie era stuff)
for me anyway
morrissey - should have retired straight after 'you are the quarry' and the storming comeback shows that accompanied them
peter hook - total embarrassment these days. no need for 'peter hook and the light' is there?
pavement - never should have come back for those mediocre shows
metallica - shoulda quit after ...and justice.
as you can see i'm a big fan of telling bands when they should have retired. i'm a bit obsessed with legacy and how it should be done. dexys for instance are doing it right.
I saw Pavemnet at Brixton on the Thursday and they were very very good....so much so it more than made up for the piss poor embarassment i saw at the Leadmill on the Brighten the corners/ BBQ Lungs tour....They opened with fight this generation and just shat all over it, then did this slow awful we really cant be arsed routine.
That comeback was a bit....meh
Not as if they released a bad album.
I can never listen to any Stones from any period now without grimacing & reflecting on what a tedious circus act they've been for the past, oh I don't know, 50 years is it?
If they'd never released anything after the Our Troubled Youth split album, their legacy would be a lot greater, I always thought they should have been a cultural marker as big as the sex pistols... or the slits at least...
until they go on so long that their old stuff is remembered over anything else, the Rolling Stones and Bob Dylan for example. You get an album's grace, The Stone Roses did OK splitting up when they did but if they put out 6 albums of plodding shite like Oasis have then their first record would be forgotten.
Faith No More
Hate it when acts reform for a series of shows and then just endlessly float along with no intent or purpose for years.
seen them a couple of times on their reunion tour and they were amazing, if they release a shit album any time in the future then i'll agree with you but as that hasn't happened then no
I somehow ended up watching that free Finsbury Park show from 2010 on YouTube the other night and it was all a bit CRINGE. Shame because they are still great live and stormed it when I saw them in 2007.
Yet alone ruin it
despite being for a very good cause, was pretty awful eh?
i'd still climb through broken glass to see a one-off live show though.
and then probably moan about it on here for ages afterwards.
one of the come back shows i saw at a music festival (Reading ?) was terrible and that 'bam thwok' song was hideous
Think they lost it a bit once they all fell out again & the drummer fell off the wagon
I fear for its legacy.
after "Rolf Harris", it would've gone down as a legend.
are gradually using up my once huge reserves of goodwill with each dismal, turgid album they release. Optimum split-up point: after Exciter, which at least had I Feel Loved on it.
they don't ruin the old ones for me. songs of faith is still >
Buddy Holly and the Crickets
He'll have covered up his Toadger, Operation Yewtree are on to him.
There is no way to judge the legacy of any of these musicians. It's not been at least 40 years since their last work. For example, think of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. His musical legacy is completely different from his personal reputation.
noel + liam
but you'll have either forgotten who they are and so won't be able to prove your point
or you'll remember them, and so they won't be forgotten any more
you stupid cunt
any replies but I'm glad you felt compelled to reply keeping this thread going.
That bloke who wrote Gravity's Rainbow