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Gonna pledge later on today. Not sure what to get though
Been chatting with Falco on twitter about how much I loved the last EP (you did all fucking buy that, right?) and he tells me if you like that, you're sure to like much of where they're headed next.
Listened to that more than the last album.
innit, just record it for a couple of hundred quid in some shitty studio, play it live, few takes per song. could be done in a day, and you wouldn't look like a fucking loser while doing so.
Take them at their word (given they always over-deliver anyhow), help give them enough to distribute it and record it properly and maybe give them enough cash to then tour.
I don't get people's issues with this thing myself. FFS, people on here would pledge their gran if they thought they could get another 30 second Fugazi clip or a BJ off of somebody in NMH
It's a very productive band who don't have industry backing but always deliver the goods trying to make sure they can put out another great album (and two EPs alongside it). Totally deserving of your dosh.
£8 at my work local now gets me a pint and a half
and I'll tell you why you're incorrect.
Nah. Punk rock is meant to be cool, it's all it's got going for it. Signing up to pledgemusic.com isn't cool, it's lame, it's like something a small business owner would learn about on a training day ffs.
that Falco doesn't really give much of a fuck about being seen as 'punkrock'.
rather than taking a loan out from a record label who doesn't give a shit?
Falco's out-done himself on the song titles again. Gonna have to make a pledge for this one.
I am pleased that a band like Future of the Left exists and continues to make their music.
They make most other bands seem very shit in comparison.
If there was one person in 'music' who deserves more monetary success for their musical output to date, I think it would be Mr Falkus.
would put some money towards it but since Curses! their output has been patchy at best so not really willing to put towards it if the end result is not that good.
But if you go back to that page now, you can hear 'The bisexuality of distance' to get a taste of it I saw on twitter.
i get bored easy
gone for cd and tshirt.
I've pledged because I want to make it happen. They've pretty much got their goal after one day of pledging, insane really. They could do this with every record in a way if it's this easy...
Guessing the brewsters 10k pledge gets you everything??
(and even then, usually on the marketplace), £10-12 is pretty average for a new album.
with less overheads shouldnt it be cheaper?
I'd really rather most of the money I spent lined FOTL's pockets instead of publishers and middlemen. Don't get me wrong, I love me some cheap CDs, but for a band with a smaller profile like FOTL this could be a real change for them.
which I do.
In all honesty I don't think anything they've done as FOTL can live up to mclusky, but I'm sure Falco would tell me I'm being a stupid bastard. Still, this is exactly the kind of band that pledge/kickstarter etc makes sense for
I assume the length of the album will be proportional to the total amount raised?
I'll bet most people, like me, aren't paying that much more than they would for the album usually. But it's good to know it's going directly to them - if they get more then they absolutely deserve it.
Loved what they accomplished with The Plot Against Common Sense; so glad they're on a roll and have fans keen enough to help them keep it rolling. Project's now over 130% funded!
to have smashed the target in a few hours. Fully deserved. Cannot wait to hear the new stuff. I don't have any issue with bands raising funds this way. With the music industry in the state that it is surely this makes perfect sense?
Pledgemusic is a good idea: as Falco says, internet people are more likely to invest in the creation of something rather than buy the finished product. You can't pre-pirate something before it exists and all that.
Helen Marnie from Ladytron is using Pledgemusic for her solo album (inb4 deep_blue), and that's hit its target too, yay! She appears to be selling her cat as the biggest pledge, which is unusual.
She's selling her car, not her cat
I'm gonna pledge anyway when I get paid.
I've used it a number of times for Ginger Wildheart's latest projects
and they've all been well worth the money.
Why are so many people complaining about PledgeMusic campaigns? It's a preorder, that's all. Well, unless bands do the "be in the studio for a day stuff", which isn't for me at all I will admit. The CDs are sometimes a little more than usual? Yes. Maybe the artist actually gets some money for a change - and the ones that are doing it right (which is most of them) are generally giving you a lot more than just the CD.
I'll lay a bet that most people complaining about PledgeMusic campaigns are the ones not paying for music. Not all, but most.
I run the website for the band that did this Pledge campaign:
They could not have hoped to get that many upfront sales via old means, and they are hard workers. If you paid £11 for the CD, you also got a load of videos, two acoustic albums (most tracks being specially recorded for this), eight new tracks all recorded for the campaign (i.e. not just offcuts), and a 28 day raffle at the end where they used the individual numbered CDs as ticket numbers and gave away stuff... good stuff, not rubbish. Tell me how this is worse, or less "punk rock", than selling a CD through a record company for a tenner with no extras and the band seeing 50p per CD if they're lucky.
that I think, as do a number of musicians I know that have done PledgeMusic campaigns, that the amount they charge (15%) is very high for what you get, even though they are very helpful when you need them.
At least release date won't get pushed back because of label politics and all that shite.
they keep getting better and better (TO THESE EARS) with each release, so this new one will probably blow the roof off my flat and destroy the one upstairs.
I loved Plot Against Common Sense, so well stoked for them, plus, big fan of Falco's monologue outpourings - so good.
Also, that new track is totally boss, excellent work.
they'll add some means to upgrade an existing pledge as they've now added in more bundles including the Sessions EP, which I'd quite like, frankly!
Now it looks like you need to email them:
and e mailed to ask for a full refund on my original one.
Falco suggested it should be the way to do it
I think the idea is that if you're going to pledge you're willing to pay a tiny bit extra to help the band out. Considering they're doing it all themselves I think £20 is reasonable anyway but hey-ho.
I mean personally I think people criticising a hard-working band who have never had much luck for going down the Pledge route is a complete pisstake but that's besides the point.
i think the idea is that you pledge to try and make it happen, and then get something at a decent price.
£20 for a 12" is a rip off
pay £8 for the download. Or £12 for the CD and download. It's almost the same as the 12", only you don't have to pay a further £8 premium bell-end tax.
Pissing and moaning is free, after all.
buy my album (£10+p&p)
Pledgemusic, Kickstarter, Indiegogo, WeFund etc are all based on crowd-funding models taken from philanthropic giving i.e. giving money for the good of someone else, and this is generally giving without the expectation of receiving anything in return.
It's probably more accurate to say these websites are a crossover between fundraising and pre-ordering, as you're actually paying more than the true cost (or market cost) of the benefit/reward in most cases, whether that's an LP, a download, or one of the more involved meet-the-band type things. It even suggests as much in the blurb of the website:
It helps artists and bands design a tailored fundraising campaign to raise money for their next release.
Pretty sure I paid £17 for Travels with Myself and Another on 12”, thought that was the going rate tbh.
unless they're doing something terribly wrong, no.
and i'm not suggesting that there's any grand conspiracy here, just saying that if it was less than £15 i'd consider paying it, but as it stands, no.
I don't buy vinyl but that seems to be the price the market is happy to pay for a lot of it
i (and the section of the market who behaves like me, for what that's worth) don't pay £20 for a record without a good reason (eg scarcity. and scarcity isn't an issue if the product hasn't even been produced yet).
making a bigger margin on the vinyl, purely because you think you can get away with it, is taking the piss. hence why the two LPs that i've released in the last year or so retail at £10 (inc download codes), because i believe in treating people how you'd like be treated
I respect that.
But at the same time I imagine FotL is much more of a time-consuming beast that either of your bands though. I would presume they'll have more infrastructure surrounding the band that will also need paying, and more time on tour and away from proper jobs to subsidise.
But even taking that away, your original comment was about the price being a pisstake, but it's comparable with a lot of new release LPs @ Rough Trade.
So, you know, yours was cheap more than anything.
the point of this is that they're not using a label and doing it themselves.
rough trade overprices massively - the were selling one of my 7"s for £8 once. but they have a store to staff and run from their cut. buying a record directly from the label should never be anywhere near that
of bands doing this type of thing when they've not already put out loads of material and made a fanbase? i hope there are.
Glad they'll likely clear 200% of the goal. Honestly, though? Hope it's closer to Travels than Plot. I think after the more focussed, direct song-writing of Travels, the sprawling and more 'comedy' nature of Plot felt like a step back. Hopefully the dual outlets of the preceeding and following EPs will soak up some of the excess.
Having said that, they always manage to get one or two of their actual best songs on to the EPs. Basically why I'm well happy to pay upfront.
And that tweet from Falco about a Tom Waits-esque FOTL song? This album can't come soon enough.
despite my wanting them to continue down the Travels path, I totally respect them for doing something different after all the acalaim it got.
Falco said when I talked to him for DiS that if a fan of a band stays with you from day one to the end then in some ways you're doing it wrong, as bands should evolve. Plot has several of my favourite FOTL songs on it but I far prefer the previous records. However the recent EPs have been great with the new band and everyone is bedded in now, so sure I'll like much of it.
Plot was a really good record, and did loads of new things, I just preferred the tightness and energy of Travels. But then it's one of my favourite records ever.
yes, bands can/should evolve, but that's suggesting that fans either only like one thing, or that they don't mature themselves.
'There’s no way you’re going to take everybody from your first record to your last and if everyone who was happy with that first record loves the last one, then there’s something wrong with it. If you’ve chemically distilled a formula, improved it by 4.2% and everyone agrees that that is precisely what you were aiming for at this time then congratulations, you’ll likely be 4 places higher up the end of year polls, but you’ve made a huge error. Obviously that’d never happen to that degree with a band…'
he's saying all fans, whilst you said a fan, i getch
PLEDGED. Has everyone listened to The Bisexuality Of Distance? It's fucking great. Similar to the last EP.
One of their bestest things yet.
Stupidly forgot to get a ticket for their (now sold out) London show though. Fool...
There's basically no way this won't be great.
Who have no idea what the concept and motivation behind kickstarters and the like is. 20 pounds for a cd and download is a rip off! LOL
with the difference being that you're buying the product before it exists because you trust the creator that it'll be worth it before you hear it. it's that act of faith that the process is built around, not around paying over the odds.
the this remains for him being an idiot (in this case)
this post does seem to be further evidence of the resentment some people have for paying for music (by which I'm referring to the "concept and motivation" bit - you mean money, right?)
rather than saying it himself
Can't wait for this to turn up.
both pretty fantastic tbh
the most recent ep is pretty good but doesn't have anything near destroywhitchurch.com
the new stuff is pretty dark, and there are no keyboard tracks this time. I am also told the outtakes ep is going to be awesome. They are absolutely blown away with how well the pledge thing has worked out... fully deserved IMO
They say they've taken off the keyboards on the new stuff. Not a bad idea, I think the current line up suits this. Let's see them play to their strengths.
A beast of a track.
could be interesting
New stuff sounded great.
but seeing them next week at 2000 trees. Keen to hear any new stuff live really.
It's a festival they seem to like and the crowd really gets on with them so hopefully should be a good gig.
I saw them at 2000 Trees and Truck last year. The first they were very open about how much they liked it, and Truck was the opposite...
apparently they didn't like the crowd at Truck
I like it a lot - what do you guys think to it?
Also, have been relistening to the Polymers one too and it's so much better than I recalled. Remember it being a sort of 6/10 record but it's pretty consistently good throughout.
Really hope this is a sign of things to come on the new record. Prefer it to the Polymers EP.
Wonder if any of this new EPs songs will make it onto the album like Polymers did?
Sorta hope they don't, purely so we get more new songs. 'TBODistance' has gotta be the opener...?
They released it as a download for pledgers only when they started the pledge thing. Since then he's tweeted updates about how the recordings are going and said 'we now have an opener', which suggests they have done something else, unless they just re-recorded it...
at least I've thought all of them were ok the first time and then got more an more into them with repeated listens
polymers has the title track, destroywhitchurch.com and my wife is unhappy all of which I think are genuinely great
Is still my favourite tune by FOTL v2.0. Brilliant throughout.
Would love to see it (back?) in the live set.