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Is this brave or stupid troll-bait? http://www.loudandquiet.com/2013/05/a-toast-to-the-cd/
but I still buy the majority of my albums on CD and agree with him pretty much absolutely. I'm not suggesting I'm correct to do so, or that anyone else should care, but for me there's an embedded routine that's more than just nostalgia or laziness about buying an album the same way I have since I first got in to music. I've branched out in to buying records and totally get the appeal but he's right, that was my Dad's generation, as much as I loved playing those records when I was a kid, and as much as I enjoy playing my own now. Fashionable or not, almost my entire history of loving music is bound up in a giant IKEA shelf unit of jewel cases. I've spent stupid sums on importing discs of albums I could easily have ripped digitally in minutes, just because that's how I like to consume my music. Music doesn't have to be rational, and I still like the process of tracking something down and waiting for delivery, or sifting through the racks of any music shop to find something unexpected. I for one would be a bit at a loss without CDs.
CDs are satan
i do like them a bit for when i want a decent rip of an old album that might be hard to pirate but is dirt cheap second hand on amazon.
Also, they got me into albums when I was 16. I spent so much on CDs cos i was scared piracy would give my new PC a virus. Plus they were just rad to collect as a teenager. Loved going into HMV every Saturday after work and guying an album.
but CD singles were great, in the days when you got 4 tracks. If you loved a band you could guarantee a steady flow of new songs on these B-sides before, during and between studio LPs. That is something you didn't get with vinyl with their puny single B-side (forget EPs, they were much less common) and don't get with mp3s.
until the chart eligibility changed to supposedly combat multi format releases by limiting the running time to 20 mins and the number of tracks to 3 separate songs or 4 remixes of the same song. Of course, all this did was encourage record companies to release multiple units completely flooding the market with shite. Then downloads became eligible filling the charts with any random crap that hadn't even been released making the whole singles chart concept a nonsense.
doesn't at all represent what teenagers/young adults are really listening to. It's just all kids/mums/moron music.
With downloadable music that can be accessed from a wide variety of platforms there is no appreciable distinction between free or non-free, owned or non-owned. A spotify track is indistinguishable from a paid for download. I'm an old luddite and just regard non physical formats as the equivalent of listening to a song on the radio.
If a bit more effort was put into their presentation. Jewel cases are ugly. Some CDs come in flimsy bits of card (eg Chromatics albums from last year.) More effort could make CDs objet d'art like records are these days.
i like digipaks but they just disintergrate over time, no matter how well you treat them.
Never mind "years" to infer lengthy stints of time; this shit's duff after a fraction of the length it's intended to last.
I'm partial to a super jewel box as a direct replacement. Don't tend to have problems with digipacks (unless they're the overly large or gatefold type, but probably prefer a simple LP style sleeve if it's gonna be something papery/cardboardy.
One specific other gripe (of sorts) is how badly some spines have tended to fade. Not the end of the world, though - a little wear bestows character, I guess.
Everything about them is wrong. If CDs came in DVD style cases I may even still buy them.
They are like gatefold LP covers but made out of really thick card so don't fray and collapse like digipak, and instead of a plastic tray with broken teeth things the CD is in a plastic inner sleeve
then you're probably a psychopath
instead of reading a newspaper?
Perfect DRM free copies for portable devices forever.
They retain, in a limited monetary sense, value.
You can't get your MP3s signed.
The bands get more from a CD sale financially.
Storage. Oh god, the endless boxes. Trudged from house to house, move after move.
Jewel cases are shit.
"Better" physical formats exist. DVD-Audio and Vinyl.
walkman running out of batteries
oh my, that fucking thread
I still have a good stereo at home with decent stand-up speakers. If you're only listening on an iPod, through headphones and on a dock, you may as well go digital. If you still want the choice - I use the nice stereo at home and the iPod when I'm out - then CDs are still the king for me. True audiophiles (which I'm not) would go for vinyl, but I don't have the flat space (and obviously ripping them is a big faff if you don't get a download code)...
really convenient to store
easy to make digital copies from
super cheap to buy these days
They don't look or sound as nice as vinyl but they are a lot more durable and take up a lot less space, plus you can easily create a digital copy for mobile devices. They're not as convenient as downloads but they sound better and you get the physical product.
I'm one of those people who thinks compromise solutions are ok sometimes so I still buy CDs. I like vinyl but the major disadvantages for me are the premium prices and the lack of download codes. I'll buy the vinyl if it is only a little bit more than the CD and I know I can get a download. I use streams for stuff I'm not sure I want to buy and I usually only download stuf I do want if the physical product is either unavailable or ridiculously over-priced.
I've always argued that the record industry messed up big time by trying to rip everyone off for years with the price of CDs. When they started in the late 80s albums were about £5 but we were expected to pay £11 -12 for CDs, even though we all knew they were massively cheaper to produce. That's the equivalent of about £25 in current values. Nowadays most CDs can be bought for around about a tenner which would have equated to about £4-5 in 1989 and which is a fair price I think.
No wonder no one loved CDs, and no wonder lots of people didn't feel guilty about ripping off the music industry when illegal downloads became available. I think the industry is still making similar mistakes trying to charge £8 to download an album on iTunes when there is of course absolutely no marginal cost. A lot more people would buy rather than fileshare at a realistic cost of say £3-5.
I'm including Apple in my definition of 'the industry'.
and for big release albums manufacturing is likely a minimal expense
I still think anyone who pays £8 for a download on iTunes when they can have the CD delivered by Amazon for the same price is being ripped off.
but that's to do with a personal predilection towards physical formats
when they could just wait for the paperback copy.
Personally I buy download albums because I get them instantly and I then don't have a CD case to take to pieces so I can file away the disc and various paper inserts in a folder while chucking out the plastic case and never looking at it again because everything I listen to is via MP3...
But at least if you buy one you are getting something identifiable for your extra money (you get a better made, more durable product and you get to read your book up to a year earlier than if you wait for the paperback).
With downloads you aren't getting anything extra save for maybe getting your music 24 hours earlier. You get a worse quality copy and no artwork etc. That might be ok for you, but shouldn't you get it cheaper?
The cost of materials is completely minimal. I mean, unless you've gone and bought CDs purely for the packaging then I fail to see what difference it makes: it's all about the music.
I will grant you that the lack of booklet is irritating, mainly because some do come with a PDF version and clearly the booklets must exist first in digital form prior to printing. Although the details about who played what, etc. tend to be online.
With the introduction of the CD the casette obviously became pretty much obselete, i have fond memories of rewinding and flipping those little critters over, spooling them up with a biro and blowing dust out from the tape heads but the Cd was a much more easy going medium with a slightly larger bit of artwork, and less likely to screw up whilst in the player so i was happy to make the switch. I did at one time own around 1500 Cd's but with the advancements made in to decent sized hard drives and media players the disks themselves became obselete once imported, and with moving house a few times and buying other things that fill up space, the once proud on show collection first got boxed up then stored away and then eventually sold. I'm not sure how CD's differ from vinyl or even casette in being to quote him the bastion of how the album was meant to be. the only main difference in this context would seem to be the fact that you don't turn it over. I still listen to albums as albums as much as i ever have (I buy vinyl records these days, even if we ignore the whole sound difference arguements, the artworks bigger and better and they are therefore more of a collecters item) but even with a digital copy i can still listen to an album in it's entirety, i may have not linear notes, (there's usually at least some artwork) but i have a whole internet of information at my fingertips. i can look at what the bands posted on their own websites on their facittermyspedia pages as well as read everybody elses opinion on the album too if i like. I also have options of tearing up an album and making a playlist and messing it all around - people might say that's the problamtic issue, that's why the album is no longer an album, but that decision should be down to the listener, although i would recommend giving an album a few listens before you tear it apart, i'm not going to impose my listenign beliefs on anyone. Technology has advanced, we have more options, each to their own but personally i'm happy to see the change, i have no more desire to go out and buy a CD player than i do to buy a betamax machine.
My parents had loads of cool vinyl when I was a kid but I wanted it all on CD because I couldn't stand the crackles or the scratches or the fact that we had a dodgy floorboard which meant you had to stay stationery to listen to music without it skipping. Even though I buy vinyl now I tend to limit my LP purchases to those releases where it "feels" right (dance records, retro sounding stuff, hard rock, psychedelia etc) e.g. I couldn't imagine owning a Los Campesinos album on vinyl. For me the CD just has too many plus points and none of them are linked to nostalgia.
- crystal clear sound when played on a decent stereo
- similar price to MP3s, sometimes cheaper - can also be bought in exchange for actual cash rather than vouchers/credit cards etc
- rippable to MP3 for portability plus it's its own back up in case of hard drive failure
- tangible item with actual artwork, booklets, lyrics, acknowledgements etc
- can be played in 99% of cars
- can be lent to people (fuck "sharing" youtube/spotify playlists)
- can be stacked horizontally or vertically
- can be gifted to people or can easily be received as a gift (what fun is unwrapping an itunes voucher at Christmas??)
- cheap to buy second hand (is there even such a thing as a second hand MP3?).
I get that the discman is dead and I get that MP3s are good for individual tracks and singles but for an album there is no rival in my opinion. Yes there's an argument that jewel cases are shit and that they take up room but the cases are only shit when they're broken and most new releases are in digipaks or other non jewel case formats. As for taking up room - that's what having a collection is all about isn't it? I like looking at my CD racks and so do other people and I have very little interest in seeing what someone has on their itunes/ipod which is a cobbled together mess of single tracks or illegally obtained albums that the person may or may not actually like or listen to.
Long live the CD!!!
is the best post of the thread so far, for me.
Mainly because when you take them out of the stereo they're about 10,000 degrees.
regret dumping 90% of my collection at the local record store over the last year.
i'm just sick of having STUFF
CDs are great. I have no time for vinyl fetishism and exclusivity.
anyone can buy an album on record
They're shiny! Look at one, look how the light catches it, they're really quite attractive.
The upside is they're a million times better than vinyl.
CDs have MP3s inside them!
Not your compressed MP3s
it'd be like saying you have babies in your testicles
A golden age for me as a teenager - I think it stopped around 2008. Bands would release 3 singles - either 2 7 inches and 1 CD single, or vice versa, and you'd usually get a shit load of b-sides, alternate versions and nice artwork across the package
and then you got a nice box for it sometimes:
I have near a thousand of them that I haven't touched in over ten years. Probably never will again until I get rid of them. Such a waste of space.
CDs were tops when I was a kid in the 1990s.
Now, though? For somebody that's a mid-level audiophile who's constantly listening to new music... mixing and matching vinyl and CD versions of albums... seeking the best-sounding pressings... and desiring having a personal "Library of Congress" where ever I go... CD just doesn't cut it anymore. Gimme that CD! I'mma test and copy. :D
Given that a 100% secure FLAC is literally a 1:1 copy of a CD with zero chance of skipping and far more durability...
I do understand how cool the CD format is otherwise. Artwork, practicalities, etc. It's just not for me anymore.
Compared to the analogue fluffy blanket of a CD.
Yeah OK, artwork bad, jewel boxes crack, whatever. You're only listening to rock & roll anyway.
I used to feel that the little bits that skipped, due to CDs scratching when I was driving or riding my BMX, personalised my copy of record. Like, Mansun's Six sounds weird to me without certain bits that sometimes looped due to hitting a speed-bump on the way to seeing Idlewild in Bristol. MP3s don't have the same kind of memories. I don't even remember what I was doing when I downloaded The Grey Album or what the weather was like when In Rainbows came out.
Something this article happily regurgitates, "CDs are ugly ducklings though, cheap looking and throwaway unlike the romantic, substantial trophy of the LP. " NO. You clearly haven't EVER looked at a CD. Those rainbows it makes on the data side, the different types of labels you get printed on the reverse side.
And yeah, jewel cases were a bit break-happy when you drop them but they were great too:
When they brought in the clear plastic insides so you got extra artwork beneath the CD
The sheer AMOUNT of information you COULD put into a CD booklet.
Remember buying those first editions of Kid A and pulling the tray up to work out what you could see through the hole, only to discover a whole new booklet?!
Those clever double-CD ones where you couldn't work out which end to lift the tray.
Pet Shop Boys' 'Very' that they commissioned specially (at a cost of 50p per album or something ridic, I think) http://joeclark.org/design/images/PSB-Very-diagonal.jpg.
The first run of Different Class that let you put whatever cover you wanted in the little window in the booklet behind the plastic.
And a host of other ways people messed with having a plastic layer that could interface with a cardboard layer.
CDs were every bit as good as vinyl. All this stuff about the compressed sound is almost total bullshit: they were the preferred choice of classical music enthusiasts, a form of music that really needs good fidelity. Quiet passages didn't get lost in a world of fuzz and if you could hear more on vinyl then you probably had ears so good you've never been to enough loud gigs.
Really the reason they were hated were down to things that had nothing to do with CDs per-se and everything to do with big business:
- You had to buy a totally new device to play them.
- The labels forced manufacture of records to die in order to make everyone buy CDs.
- They were far more expensive than normal records.
- People ended up grudgingly buying records twice at more cost because they'd been 'remastered' only to discover someone had simply put an extreme hiss filter all through which is why the vinyl sounded 'warmer': you'd just chopped out a bunch of frequencies without stopping to consider how many of them were part of the original music.
just because the plastic is a bit rubbish and breaky, doesn't mean it isn't a hugely adaptable and clever format.
Digipaks/card gatefolds may well look better, but like LPs, once the sleeve is damaged/worn it stays that way. Put a shiny new jewelcase on an old CD & it's almost like it's new again.
That said, most replacement cases seem a bit flimsy/cheap compared to the original ones. Anyone know where you can get retail quality cases? Currently just tend to swap with the cases off magazine freebies that I don't really care about.
of the loudness wars where labels have pushed up volumes and compressed music on CDs beyond their dynamic capabilities. This is a big reason for audiophile types to dislike the CD format compared to vinyl as some records can be so clipped they're unlistenable. This is a relatively recent issue though and also affects other digital formats. Some of best sounding music I've ever heard is on late 90's CDs where they were mastered perfectly for the production.
I get that because a record sits in front of you as it plays, for all to see, we've had to accept it's aesthetic form a little more. Also, there's the whole drawing it out its sleeve to check for scratches in the shop. It's a formative moment with a new album, looking at the actual product before you even buy it.
Where as a CD is hidden away in a jewel case and then in the player, you don't look at it, so it must be ugly right? But I do think the variety of design you find on the 'top' of a CD is far more interesting that the variety you find on LP labels.
oooh sound quality oooh storage ooooh I like having a tangible product oooh I don't understand new stuff.
Move on you grubby bellends.
ooooh I just come to this messageboard to say there is no point to conversation ooooh debate is boring oooh! oooh! oooh!
Move on you grumbly bookend.
these debates are the same old wah wah wah I fear change nonsense they always were. My teeth start grinding every time I read someone pronounce how new formats or downloading or whatever are going to kill the album/music. Embrace change, stop being a bellend, and check out my cool pimped profile.
If the thread doesn't interest you why not just ignore it rather than spouting off? Or at least add something tangible to the conversation - oh, hang on, who'd fucking care?
the piece generate some debate.
It wasn't a troll but some thoughts inspired by the pretty grim 2012 record sales stats referenced in the piece.
I think ThierryEnnui pretty much nails it.
I much prefer vinyl. My girlfriend is absolutely terrified of going near vinyl, of it somehow being really easy to break and pretty valuable (mine usually isn't), so buying them and strategically leaving them round the flat is a good way to assert territorial dominance.
What was the question?
Poundland can have a surprisingly good selection these days.
Went into one yesterday that had all the Idlewild albums up to Warning/Promises, and all the Britpop also ran records you could hope for (Menswe@r, Catatonia, Embrace). Pound each. Magic times.
one cautionary tale from the poundland racks of also ran cd goodness.
couple of months ago i emerged triumphant having located the Regular Fries Album - The War on Plastic Plants in my local poundland.
Only to get it home and discover the box contained no regular fries cd but a cd of Campag Velocet's Bon Chic Bon Genre.
which i already own
how that for a late 90s scuzzy indie pundland cock up.
(the box was cellophane wrapped so i coudlnt' check the cd before purchase)
WOPP is one of my favourite albums. Classic stuff.
That Regular Fries album is one of my many Poundland purchases. Good place for catching up on some minorly successful bands from my 'lost' years living abroad (Alfie, the Delays, Clor, Cosmic Rough Riders, My Computer), filling gaps in REM, Charlatans etc collection and also the odd unexpected older thing like Brian Eno, Japan and Malcolm McLaren.
This thread makes me a little sad
i can't help but view selling off a music collection as the stuff of crack habit level behaviour.
Damn do Cds sound SO much better than on my Panasonic Idock.
kept all my Cds. LOVE my Cds! Long live the CD!
(and I love making mix Cds instead of mix tapes(.
just cheap, plastic throwaways it's because they haven't bought one in ages. Quite a few CD's now are beautifully packaged and really are just as striking as Vinyl they're just smaller. Some of the deluxe reissues as well done by Blur, Suede, Mary Chain, Sugar etc are lovingly done, full of great pull outs and artwork and collect all the b-sides are rarities on bonus discs. I would think those would be orgasmically fetishized by hardcore fans. What's also cool about the Suede one's is you get all the single artwork from that era so it's like a mini-time capsule. Plus you can play CD's in your car and pretty much everywhere and they are dirt cheap. I can pre-order nearly every new release off of Amazon for $9.99 the same price as i-tunes. It's a no brainer.
Once i got over the format war raging in my own head and embraced it as the format of its time my cds now sit proudly alongside my vinyl and digital collection like one big happy family. Too many memories invested in it to dismiss it. The 'Kid A' cd with the little secret booklet hidden behind the plastic casing, flippin' ace.
* i do realise cds are digital by the way you catch my drift though spotify, mp3s etc