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I find it hard to believe anyone on DiS saying no they shouldn't.
man filmed by cameraphone marries goat?
On the one hand it's REALLY FUCKING ANNOYING, but on the other hand FUCK EVERYONE WHO DOES THIS.
almost as annoying as people who takes photos of plates of food.
It was a Ploughman's with beer. Don't regret it.
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People who complain about this should take a chill pill and go back to watching their old people's bands. I filmed a recent gig through my iPad from practically the front row and even skyped my friend during the show with it held up and it looked amazing! Who cares if the people who don't understand music don't like it, music is to be enjoyed by everyone
iPads: Absolutely not.
However, I was stunned to discover that I wasn't allowed to take the camera into several gigs - despite the fact it was made out of what is essentially a plastic tuna tin i.e. not some professional looking DSLR with a 3ft-long lens... which to be honest, should be allowed if cameraphones are, but it's sort of understandable that they're not allowed in.
People who hold their phone up for the entire show taking photos and recording shoddy videos... why did you goto the gig in first place? You're not sharing an experience, if you're not experiencing it.... And people who hold up iPads? KILL 'EM!
I've also found that YouTube take down videos. I posted a 30second clip of MBV's holocaust, which was removed, but the little bit of Blood Red Shoes I uploaded wasn't http://www.youtube.com/drownedinsound
my Dad puts on cover bands at his local, films them and puts them on youtube. If he ever dares put up some old fella's having a go at Hotel California it's taken down within minutes. I can only assume there must be a whole bunch of people umming and ahhing over buying Eagles records in 2013 and the ability to see some amateurs play their hits whilst half cut on a Friday night in Barnsley on a fuzzy youtube vid might just be enough to convince them to save their cash.
It's clever watermarking (which sort of works like Shazam), and a lot of acts don't want their music uploaded. The MBV thing was taken down because the 'web sheriff' was being over-zealous and thought I was some sort of new album leaker... I got an apology and everything.
is pointless, but I can see why people might want a couple of cheeky minutes of footage or some pictures. Even if it will be impossible to hear or see the band.
it's totally understandable thinking "omg wow this is AMAZING holy shit i better take some pictures and maybe half a minute of video so i can show people how fucking brilliant this is and next time the band play they should all come" - inevitably it looks and sounds like arse, but part of being at a fantastic gig is getting a bit carried away with it all. and if, i dunno, nick cave is stalking along the barrier like it's a beam, or josh homme is handing out vodka to the front row or whatever, sure, try and get a couple of pictures. they'll still be shit, but the motivation to try and capture the moment is easy to understand.
if you're filming the whole thing though, or spending the entire set taking photos, you can fuck right off. and if you're doing it with your ipad, you can fuck off forever.
I've been at small stand-up events where someone (an audience member, not an organiser) has watched the acts through a tablet screen.
Next time it happens at a gig, I plan on lofting some weak spitty lager across the crowd and see how Apple products respond to warm Carling.
You can use your cameraphone as a periscope.
physically assaulting a man at a Half Man Half Biscuit gig.
His crime: attempting to film Joy Division Oven Gloves from the balcony.
Subtlety is key.
There are only two places from where you should take photos of gigs:
1. The photo pit.
2. From on the barrier, so you don't have to raise the phone or camera above your head.
Photos and videos taken from within the crowd are invariably low quality. You'll never look at them again, they're not about capturing the moment, rather posting them to facebook and twitter to show off to your mates that you were there, and they never justify pissing off the people stood behind you in the crowd by obstructing their view and killing the atmosphere.
I had to tell a guy to stop filming Chvrches at their recent ICA show: https://twitter.com/yourfriendscas/status/306872423041617920
The guy was utterly unrepentant: https://twitter.com/DJMattArana/status/307061690124599296
As annoying as it is, you're not security are you ? Unless its a part time job.
told him to take it down (he was holding the iPad above his head).
I'm also the kind of person who will ask people to be quiet if they're jabbering on really loudly throughout a gig too.
said he felt bad cuz the guy was nice about it
sometimes it is quite nice to have footage of new songs and stuff online.
But don't stand in front of me and do it plz.
This is DEFINITELY how a band who has spent months working on a new album would want you to first hear their new material....
what type of band cries if someone hears a live recording of a song?
Is it more of a philosophical objection?
I find people talking loudly or spilling beer over me more annoying.
people talking is annoying they don't have to be mutually exclusive
you can now see alot of live footage on youtube cause of these iphone warriors. its not all bad
on YouTube footage. The quality is often appaling but you get the idea.
I kindly let him stand in front of me. He themntalked all the way through, and filmed whole songs with his phone, obscuring my view. I bit my tongue and just got pissed off...
Since thie Yeah Yeah yeahs piece, I made these:
next time I get stuck behind one fo these moronss, I am going to ask them to e mail me when they upload their footage, and give them my 'business card' as contact details...
A guy got kicked out pretty much during the first song for using a camera. Jeff Tweedy stopped the song and said something along the lines of 'the one thing we ask of you is not to take any pictures or videos, we'll do that ourselves and if we think they're good enough we'll put them out there' and then got the security to make the guy leave. Seemed a bit harsh and I'm not sure I knew of that policy beforehand to be honest but I'm perfectly fine with people taking that line if it's advertised well enough.
I like it when bands are like 'okay everyone take a photo NOW and then be done with it'. That works. I fucking hate people videoing though.
is that the screens are bright and distracting. if someone's in front of me with a camera phone it's hard to stop myself watching the gig through their screen.
see also: TVs in pubs.
I've been in one where they were showing Eastenders in leiu of any sport. I mean really???
always on the cutting edge
It baffles me; do people sit at home and think "oh, you know what I could really do with watching? That really badly recorded video we made of Modest Mouse last Thursday. Let's watch that for half an hour."? I wonder how much of the crap footage filmed at gigs EVER gets watched?
Have a quick search on YouTube, most of it barely has 25 plays (and I bet most of them were people searching and finding crappy versions, hoping it would be something pro like the stuff BeatCast have shot for DiS http://www.youtube.com/user/beatcasttv )
(and no, I haven't bothered clicking it)
I look it up on youtube. Sometimes do the same for new songs, depending on the band and particularly if I'm going to see them sometime soon. Or just if their live set up is pretty interesting I might have a gander.
but I bet most modern music fans have watched more than a few clips on YouTube that were recorded on phones, and were glad for seeing footage from a gig they couldn't attend. For example, when Archers of Loaf reunited there was a guy who posted vids he'd taken at their first show, which may have not been the best quality ever but it did let me see what one of my favourite bands ever sounded like now. Based on how much I like it I decided to go to Primavera to see them.
So yeah, people need to stop moaning so much
love her so got really excited for new music. This is a way for me to hear them when she isn't touring near me, so very thankful for their existance
so he doesn't have to lift the camera up in front of other people, and he can still watch the show with his own eyes.
what about this then? near the front but deffo people i front of him - but it's GBV's first gig since they reunited, so important moment, and it's certainly good enough quality to watch
or this one, which is from much further away and yet still good enough to watch
who have paid to see the bands too.
it doesn't take many people to be filming for just a song or two before your view is obstructed by cameras for the entire set.
Watching a clip on youtube does not amount to advocating whoever videoed it in the first place. You might choose whether or not to go and see your favourite band based on cameraphone footage, but I'd much rather have no youtube clips available, and no-one disrupting gigs by phonewaving.
i bet you'd much rather it was still the 70s, without any of this new fangled technology spoiling your enjoyment of just about evvvverything
I wonder if our anger towards those who do, is a projection of our own fear of not being able to live in the moment?
I noticed that security had taken 2 positions above the crowd and if they saw anyone recording any viedo they shone a bright torch directly at the camera to fuck up your recording. Much love for this. Soon stopped everyone.
I know at least 2 people who go to concerts for the sole purpose of filming the gig on their cameras, then uploading to Youtube the same night. They do get a lot of views and internet mag and band links.
The bands are right in front of them, but they are looking at the camera screen the whole show. It's ridiculous.
Do they simply do that for the 'kudos'?
yeah, i think "kudos" factor is partly to why they do it. I don't know if they are thinking about the youtube views they will get, or the music.
its just the world we live in now; like downloading any measures people have to combat it are just stalling the inevitable. I've never been in a situation where I can't shuffle away from them if they obstruct me watching a show, same as if i was behind the tall guy or the sing-along-out-of-tune-to-everything guy. But that company the article talks about that propose an automated system that links the youtubes together and cleans up the sound is like some kind of doktor sleepless future tech, i think that's dead exciting.
but it's not drastically different from the types of people you mentioned - the really tall, the energetic dancers, the loud singers etc. The only thing that makes it particularly significant is how annoyed people get over those who record "not enjoying the show properly/enough", which is not exactly a very strong claim
I like hearing live clips of new songs on youtube.
stone me. I like having a record. I hold it up once, take the photo, then I'm done. Agreed with the criticisms of those who do it all the time. But one or two photos I can accept.
Similarly those tossers who pretend to be official photographers and barge through to the front clutching an SLR and oversized backpack and then proceed to spend the whole gig barging into everyone trying to get the perfect angle.
and looking at the quality of them afterwards, I don't know why I bothered.