DiS has done a feature on 'noise-pop'.
Probably time to close the site down; its trolling has become too obvious.
- Relevant artist taggings:
- Mummy Says I'm Special »[x]
- Pseudo Nippon »[x]
- The (International) Noise Conspiracy »[x]
- Consumer Electronics »[x]
- Showaddywaddy »[x]
- The Idiot Boy »[x]
- Hang The Bastard »[x]
- Sonic Youth »[x]
- Total Fucking Destruction »[x]
- Cry of shits »[x]
- Righteous Boy »[x]
- Said Wrong »[x]
- Wrong Reasons »[x]
- False Image »[x]
- The Noise Next Door »[x]
- Quim Barreiros »[x]
- Mighty Fools »[x]
- My Bloody Valentine »[x]
- Angry Young Man »[x]
- This Is What You See When You Close Your Eyes To Go To Sleep »[x]
- Totally Boring »[x]
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Nop
They should call it...
No-pop
because there is no chance any of that is pop.
Did they forget to cover Sonic Youth or something?
lol @ everyone here
really enjoying those pieces, anyway
long may they run
they're good yeah
they aint even close to being pop tho, you've gotta be popular for that.
Should call it...
Noise-Indie
Nindie
I'm not sure about this
I can't qualify the meaning of the word "indie" but in terms of "pop"...I don't just think music has to BE popular to be pop, as in can also share the ethos i.e if a song has a catchy melody but isn't popular, I would say it has an intention to be pop, so therefore can be categorised that way.
Nah
its just popular, you can have catchy any kind of music but any kind of music can't be popular aka pop. Plus pop doesn't have to be that catchy Flat Beat by Mr Ozio was #1 and thats just a droning wobble bassline and a puppet.
You make a good counterpoint
But if things were so black and white then it would be difficult to categorise most music. If the popular stuff was pop then what is everything else (bar the obvious genre stuff like jazz)? Indie? But how much of that is truly independent. Labels aren't everything in music but they do help people find what they like, even if these labels aren't always entirely correct. Hence, calling a minor record "pop" will indicate to fans of catchy, straightforward melodies that it might be up their street.
pops a cultural thing not a genre
you can be from any genre and be pop, but you have to be popular to be pop. One day one of these bands might be pop but they haven't made it yet.
Nah you haven't convinced me anymore there
Just reiterated your previous point. What you describe is certainly how the word pop came about...but language changes, and often words change to fit a new need. Pop has another descriptive need now.
go to a pop club and see if any of that stuff in the column comes out as pop when played out
you need a certain cultural weight behind you to be pop, people need to know it. What you're saying is pop: Song structure, having a chorus, being a bit catchy isn't all you need for pop. Thats just beign a song. Its kinda cute and asperational to call these guys pop, cos you want them to do well but whats wrong with just calling it what it is. Nothing bad about not being pop.
if you go to pop klubb in Newcastle
you'd probably here most of them
is that what you mean?
(obviously not)
(words can have different meanings to different people and in different circumstances.)
So why would you call it pop?
because it spins out of indie pop
and a chief source of inspiration there is 60s pop music.
So because its inspired by pop it makes it pop?
I can think of loads of music inspired by R&B pop but aint pop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hgx9NQyDVo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6kVu3t9iX8
Should it be pop, I think so. But it aint. Has potential to be. But it never made it.
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it's because it's all about the song. those things you linked to aren't about big melodies, choruses, lyrics, simple guitar lines and all those things which are definitely pop music.
they have big melodies, choruse, lyrics
they are full on songs like any other pop R&B in the charts.
I'm not sure songs 'make it' to national charts popularity on merit alone.
The first one is definitely more in the glitch area of things but the second one could have been bigger so maybe it was just lack of people behind it pushing it.
yeah they need some weight behind them
they need a little push and some love from the masses to become pop you see otherwise they just stay in their own genre without the catagory of pop even coming close to it.
Wasn't suggesting...
The Guido track would get in the charts, it just has all the tropes of what people think pop is. Catchyness, a song, verse, chorus, its covered in R&B tropes that have been all over the charts for years. But no one is going to call it pop. Just like the noise-pop in the article has a catchy simple guitar line like some pop had in the 60s, but no one bar a few DiSers would call it pop.
And the second like by Terror Danjah really could have been a hit if it had the backing and had a little push. Its got everything thats pretty big in the charts right now. A big wobbly angry bass drop, sweet R&B dance pop vocals, a nice hook, its a full on song with verse, chorus etc. But it aint pop and people wouldn't think of it is such unless i tturned up in the charts. You'll just find it in the dance or grime sections or record shops until then.
Yeah, most genre names are silly in that way tho
The music in the column has sensibilities of noise and pop music, so if people want to call it that I'm not mad. It's no dumber than witch-house or chillwave or cloud rap or any of those names that get over-used and normalised.
If we want to get super serious about genre definitions then fine, but there's a danger of being deliberately obtuse. If somebody said noise-pop to me I think I'd know what they meant, so it serves its purpose for me at least.
Merzbow is noise pop.
its a cute name
pretty narrow view there
its not even a comment on quality
its just a fact these guys aint that popular so can't really be pop. They can be fun and catchy, but pop nah.
I disagree
Fuck off to Social Board please
At least there you try and start discussion (sometimes).
Thanks for bringing that to my attention
Nice to know you read the site!
So it is agreed that these bands are neither 'noise' nor 'pop'.
they're more noise than they are pop
if it has a chorus and a verse i say its pop.
Hookworms are defo 'pop' in my book. but they can be a wee bit noisey too....but not 'Noise'
Hookworms are nu-psych i thought...
not noise pop! christ i hate sub genres. but i fucking love Hookworms so much.
i think youve missed my point but yeah, love em too
tr00 noise fans having a little cry :'))))
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Di2VGfGyvhg
you might have linked to it
http://drownedinsound.com/in_depth/4146082-close-knits--beyond-the-noise-pop-pale-2
cannot be arsed to read all this but everyone knows...
...that pop/popular culture means popular as in 'of the populous/of the people' rather than 'commercially successful and lots of people like it', right?? It often amounts to the same thing, but it doesn't have to.
Although then again, pop, as in chart stuff which is aimed at mass consumption, is a pretty defined genre...
Although then again, it's a daft argument and I really don't care! 'Noise pop' is a really embarrassing genre title though, like saying "yes, i play at Indietracks but i'm also EDGY!". Nah mate.
Skrillex is noise-pop
he's had acctual hits and his music sounds like he's punching a pig thru a distorted amp.
I really hope Skrillex headlines Indietracks this year.
i wish
Although in all seriousness
IMO some of the most interesting music is that which mixes bits of avant garde or experimental practices with pop music melodies/structures/approach to songwriting. I'm listening to the Laurel Halo album from last year and it does just that. However I think you need some understanding of the avant garde or experimental in order to do that, but to me 'noise pop' doesn't seem to be influenced by or have any understanding of noise music, it feels like it's using the 'noise' tag for credibility more than anything. Doesn't mean some of it isn't class though.
its using the pop tag in the same way too
as an asperational kinda bandwagon hitch. You can play with ideas that come out of pop and not be pop. But yeah it aint a knock, you can be good and not be pop, you can be good and be pop.
it feels like it's using the 'noise' tag for credibility more than anything
^ Yep.
I don't know ANY of these bands.
I thought it was going to be about Deerhoof or Fuck Buttons or something.
Lol
Noise doesn't have any credibility.
isn't 'noise pop' pretty old as a term?
it's nice that GG discovered it via DiS, but it's like, an Eighties thing, isn't it?
It was wrong in the 80s too.
You should buy a time machine and go back to kill whoever invented the term. SEE YA!
noise pop doesn't have to be noise that's popular (haha) or popular music that's noisey
it can be similar to really bright melodic music that has been popular at one time or another.
like Sleigh Bells, right?
Sleigh Bells would be a perfect example of what I think of as noise pop
CG would hate it.
not enough like Sonic Youth for his taste
Noise Poop > Noise Pop
To summarise
Pop = anything often means that isn't 'classical music'
Noise = anything that isn't quiet.
Thanks.
often means anything*
thats kinda like saying
all films bar the early silent ones are block busters.
Loads of silent movies were blockbusters too
Just give up
Your view is really narrow so, luckily, the DiS consensus won't be in your favour.
narrow?
I think its nieve to think everything is pop. Whats wrong with pop meaning popular? I think its way more fun to see it that way because then when you see an artists reach that level with something good its a nice feel good moment. If they where pop the whole time it doesn't mean much and it all becoems a boring soup.
I think that's attributing to much importance to it all
I think users in this thread, including myself, are using pop as a means of useful description, it doesn't mean that music is now labelled pop and can't be anything else. I think your getting too hung up on wider context, If pop helps musical description from one person to another, why is it "wrong". Literal meanings shouldnt come into it.
popular is prob the only useful meaning for pop tho
if you count everything as pop then it doesn't mean much when you say it. Its the only meaning that puts it a part. Otherwise you're just subsituting pop for the word music or songs or tracks or whatever. None of it matters there just aint anything else on the board very interesting at the mo haha.
True enough
(unless you know any good psych bands?) well we were saying that pop is used to mean the more catchy and accessible melodies. When the music is a bit heavier/edgier, then the word rock often gets used.
don't ever talk about noise pop on dis
Frankly I think it's a step in the right direction.
There's at least some discussion, which is far more interesting than the threads that are just isolated comments listing artists, albums and songs as responses to the OP.
It's interesting enough.
I don't really get how anyone can argue that there isn't a genre called 'pop'. I know HMV is closing a lot of stores but some are still open. Have a look at the racks...
yeah, but the tagging!
Ceci n'est pas une pop
Can i cut past the trolling and the genre discussion
to say cheers for a great column. finding loads of stuff which is always great.