Probably time to close the site down; its trolling has become too obvious.
because there is no chance any of that is pop.
long may they run
they aint even close to being pop tho, you've gotta be popular for that.
I can't qualify the meaning of the word "indie" but in terms of "pop"...I don't just think music has to BE popular to be pop, as in can also share the ethos i.e if a song has a catchy melody but isn't popular, I would say it has an intention to be pop, so therefore can be categorised that way.
its just popular, you can have catchy any kind of music but any kind of music can't be popular aka pop. Plus pop doesn't have to be that catchy Flat Beat by Mr Ozio was #1 and thats just a droning wobble bassline and a puppet.
But if things were so black and white then it would be difficult to categorise most music. If the popular stuff was pop then what is everything else (bar the obvious genre stuff like jazz)? Indie? But how much of that is truly independent. Labels aren't everything in music but they do help people find what they like, even if these labels aren't always entirely correct. Hence, calling a minor record "pop" will indicate to fans of catchy, straightforward melodies that it might be up their street.
you can be from any genre and be pop, but you have to be popular to be pop. One day one of these bands might be pop but they haven't made it yet.
Just reiterated your previous point. What you describe is certainly how the word pop came about...but language changes, and often words change to fit a new need. Pop has another descriptive need now.
you need a certain cultural weight behind you to be pop, people need to know it. What you're saying is pop: Song structure, having a chorus, being a bit catchy isn't all you need for pop. Thats just beign a song. Its kinda cute and asperational to call these guys pop, cos you want them to do well but whats wrong with just calling it what it is. Nothing bad about not being pop.
you'd probably here most of them
is that what you mean?
(words can have different meanings to different people and in different circumstances.)
and a chief source of inspiration there is 60s pop music.
I can think of loads of music inspired by R&B pop but aint pop.
Should it be pop, I think so. But it aint. Has potential to be. But it never made it.
it's because it's all about the song. those things you linked to aren't about big melodies, choruses, lyrics, simple guitar lines and all those things which are definitely pop music.
they are full on songs like any other pop R&B in the charts.
The first one is definitely more in the glitch area of things but the second one could have been bigger so maybe it was just lack of people behind it pushing it.
they need a little push and some love from the masses to become pop you see otherwise they just stay in their own genre without the catagory of pop even coming close to it.
The Guido track would get in the charts, it just has all the tropes of what people think pop is. Catchyness, a song, verse, chorus, its covered in R&B tropes that have been all over the charts for years. But no one is going to call it pop. Just like the noise-pop in the article has a catchy simple guitar line like some pop had in the 60s, but no one bar a few DiSers would call it pop.
And the second like by Terror Danjah really could have been a hit if it had the backing and had a little push. Its got everything thats pretty big in the charts right now. A big wobbly angry bass drop, sweet R&B dance pop vocals, a nice hook, its a full on song with verse, chorus etc. But it aint pop and people wouldn't think of it is such unless i tturned up in the charts. You'll just find it in the dance or grime sections or record shops until then.
The music in the column has sensibilities of noise and pop music, so if people want to call it that I'm not mad. It's no dumber than witch-house or chillwave or cloud rap or any of those names that get over-used and normalised.
If we want to get super serious about genre definitions then fine, but there's a danger of being deliberately obtuse. If somebody said noise-pop to me I think I'd know what they meant, so it serves its purpose for me at least.
its just a fact these guys aint that popular so can't really be pop. They can be fun and catchy, but pop nah.
At least there you try and start discussion (sometimes).
Nice to know you read the site!
Hookworms are defo 'pop' in my book. but they can be a wee bit noisey too....but not 'Noise'
not noise pop! christ i hate sub genres. but i fucking love Hookworms so much.
...that pop/popular culture means popular as in 'of the populous/of the people' rather than 'commercially successful and lots of people like it', right?? It often amounts to the same thing, but it doesn't have to.
Although then again, pop, as in chart stuff which is aimed at mass consumption, is a pretty defined genre...
Although then again, it's a daft argument and I really don't care! 'Noise pop' is a really embarrassing genre title though, like saying "yes, i play at Indietracks but i'm also EDGY!". Nah mate.
he's had acctual hits and his music sounds like he's punching a pig thru a distorted amp.
IMO some of the most interesting music is that which mixes bits of avant garde or experimental practices with pop music melodies/structures/approach to songwriting. I'm listening to the Laurel Halo album from last year and it does just that. However I think you need some understanding of the avant garde or experimental in order to do that, but to me 'noise pop' doesn't seem to be influenced by or have any understanding of noise music, it feels like it's using the 'noise' tag for credibility more than anything. Doesn't mean some of it isn't class though.
as an asperational kinda bandwagon hitch. You can play with ideas that come out of pop and not be pop. But yeah it aint a knock, you can be good and not be pop, you can be good and be pop.
I thought it was going to be about Deerhoof or Fuck Buttons or something.
Noise doesn't have any credibility.
it's nice that GG discovered it via DiS, but it's like, an Eighties thing, isn't it?
You should buy a time machine and go back to kill whoever invented the term. SEE YA!
it can be similar to really bright melodic music that has been popular at one time or another.
like Sleigh Bells, right?
CG would hate it.
Noise Poop > Noise Pop
Pop = anything often means that isn't 'classical music'
Noise = anything that isn't quiet.
often means anything*
all films bar the early silent ones are block busters.
Your view is really narrow so, luckily, the DiS consensus won't be in your favour.
I think its nieve to think everything is pop. Whats wrong with pop meaning popular? I think its way more fun to see it that way because then when you see an artists reach that level with something good its a nice feel good moment. If they where pop the whole time it doesn't mean much and it all becoems a boring soup.
I think users in this thread, including myself, are using pop as a means of useful description, it doesn't mean that music is now labelled pop and can't be anything else. I think your getting too hung up on wider context, If pop helps musical description from one person to another, why is it "wrong". Literal meanings shouldnt come into it.
if you count everything as pop then it doesn't mean much when you say it. Its the only meaning that puts it a part. Otherwise you're just subsituting pop for the word music or songs or tracks or whatever. None of it matters there just aint anything else on the board very interesting at the mo haha.
(unless you know any good psych bands?) well we were saying that pop is used to mean the more catchy and accessible melodies. When the music is a bit heavier/edgier, then the word rock often gets used.
There's at least some discussion, which is far more interesting than the threads that are just isolated comments listing artists, albums and songs as responses to the OP.
I don't really get how anyone can argue that there isn't a genre called 'pop'. I know HMV is closing a lot of stores but some are still open. Have a look at the racks...
to say cheers for a great column. finding loads of stuff which is always great.