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They've just updated their Facebook page...
as if they can throw another event
If they manage to book any artists I doubt they'll sell tickets.
*After the company was liquidated.
Bloc 2012 was horrible, such a bad day. Not interested in anything else they do.
I got money back from my credit card company but I also got a letter from the administrators telling me how to apply for a refund. But judging by the comments on the FB page it seems a lot of people are still waiting for their money.
I'd be absolutely stunned if they tried to launch an event again using that same name.
Said it wasn't a large enough amount (£50) even though I followed their advice to the letter.
Had no luck through Barclays and the administrators weren't much help. It's sad when festivals go under but this one was an utter, abominable shambles.
Won't ever be spending money on anything organised by Bloc ever again.
but there is no way in hell I would ever consider going to one of their events again. The sheer incompetence and ignorance displayed in the whole thing (including the interview they had after the event where they tried to clear things up) was breathtaking. Never again.
of the artists still haven't had any money. Such a shitty situation.
field day and atp have survived.
ATP can run the event but not the finances and Field Day can run the finances but not the event. Bloc proved they couldn't do either.
people arrive, the bands play, the bands get paid, people get what they paid for. issues have only really been minor/teething troubles.
bloc didn't actually happen on one day, got significantly curtailed the second day and a large number of people didn't get their money back.
it's insulting for the organisers to think that they can just pick themselves up and try to put on another event next year under the same.
Neither of those promoters have dragged punters into a dangerous situation, they shouldn't be allowed to promote an event because they dangerously oversold the festival.
If they're REALLY going to start doing events as Bloc I wonder if this is all building up to some sort of spectacular concilitory gesture (though how any of them have any money now is beyond me...)
The simple posting of a new image on their Facebook page (which contains the url of a new, currently empty site) suggests that the Bloc festival, which shut down amid scenes of chaos last year, forcing its organisers to subsequently fall into administration, is set to make a return — in London. Judging by the comments on their Facebook page, not everyone is happy about that, particularly those who bought tickets for 2012’s event and have yet to be reimbursed.
So what’s happening here? It’s a bit confusing, so we called the administrator, Jamie Playford of Parker Andrews, to find out more. Here are three main points:
1. While in administration, there is no legal problem in Bloc using their name to potentially stage a new event. The rules are different if a company is in liquidation and, at any rate, Bloc only ever used their name under licence (from themselves).
In a nutshell: Bloc can carry on as Bloc. Whether that’s advisable is an entirely different matter.
2. Bloc are still trying to get £1m off insurers for the festival being cancelled and further money back from one of the ticketing agencies. There’s no timeline on when either will be resolved, but meetings with both parties are planned for next month.
3. A six-month update will be going out to people owed money at end of this week. However, Playford suggests, it’s unlikely say anything more than the initial directors’ report.
More news as we get it.
I guess that backs up the parents having clever lawyers bit.
Just posted, series of club nights at an "East London Venue TBA"
*must resist must resist must resist*
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?
They've created a new company called HB Events which is apparently licensing the Bloc name from Bloc Holdings, which is who Baselogic (the company which is now in administration) also licensed the name from. As such it seems fair to assume that none of the royalties from this event will go towards servicing Baselogic's debt or refunding any ticketholders still waiting for refunds from last year.
Below is copied from http://www.bloclondon.com/legal/
The events advertised on this site are promoted by HB Events Ltd. under license from Bloc Holdings.
HB Events Ltd. cannot accept liability for any claims relating to the administration of Baselogic Productions Ltd.
For more information and updates on Baselogic Productions please contact Parker Andrews or visit their site relating to this administration - Parker Andews.
It's not tempting enough for me to give money to these cowboys again.
On the one hand, it seems a shame that people with great connections in the industry and a love of good acts are stopped from putting on events. Seems a bit like carrying on under the Bloc moniker is totally foolish to me, but then if they'd changed their name and we all found out we'd probably accuse them of being sneaky little fuckers.
On the other hand, people lost a fair bit of money from the event, nearly got crushed to death getting in and it was plain to see when you arrived that the whole thing was never going to work out (unfinished site, stalls out of food and drink by 8pm, no access to the tents). It's hard to ascertain what part of the clusterfuck was who's fault, and it could be the site owner / ticket agency / security firm fucked up, not them. But the PR comms and statements were wholly inadequate and left me feeling - despite their admission that it was very hard to say anything on record about the event - very reluctant to ever support them again. If they don't get deterred what's to stop it just happening all over?
People deserve a second chance and building up a regular, smaller club night might be the way back in for them. Plus people who stuck with them for 5 years beforehand seem a lot less forgiving than those of us who just got burned by the one event.
But either way, to just put this out and carry on as if all is well smacks a bit of being a bunch of dicks.
The bit that gets me most about their attitude is that, yes, a lot of the problems were undoubtedly the fault of other parties but the Bloc organisers have publicly admitted - in their statement and the subsequent FACT interview - that they were aware of the issues some time before the festival.
For example, their statement said "it was confirmed just two weeks before the festival that ‘The Hub’, a 2,800 capacity high-spec venue that we had contracted to host one of our main stages, was not going to be ready for us to use" - anyone who was there and went in the Tent which was called "The Hub" will know that there is no way it could hold anywhere near that capacity.
Yet despite all of this they seemed to simply turn a blind eye and continued selling tickets right up to the day itself.
I agree that everyone deserves a second chance but personally I think it's a mistake for them to carry on with the same brand, the line ups are strong enough on their own they don't need to be labelled Bloc. And I also think it's a big mistake to do this whilst the administration is still ongoing and there are plenty of people (judging by FB at least) still waiting for a refund.
Bloc had ample time to get further assurances from LPG about their event or cancel. It doesn't appear on the outside like they bothered - I'd have thought they'd have had less problems with their insurance if they had?
My bro-in-law works nearby and was giving me updates on progress up until the opening. Sounds like work didn't even start on the project until a few weeks beforehand.
Also know a few stories which show that the owners aren't exactly the nicest folk...
they'll be packed out no doubt tho. The lineups look good, but then its dance music you can see all these people again on another night somewhere else espesh in London. Shackleton and Appleblim play all the time, L.I.E.S. are increasingly about, Omar-S often about same with Cosmin TRG and A Made Up Sound and have been for years. But who knows they might turn it around if its smaller events in just clubs rather than an epic balls up in a strange new place.
Man Parrish was the only name that made me go o_Ô at all
Its arrogance is quite breathtaking
but even if I were prepared to buy tickets to anything these jokers put on, which I'm not, that `East London venue TBA` would be giving me shivers:
``although its quite basic, there is something special about it. We've spent a few months doing it up ourselves (with a lot of help from some mates—thanks chaps)``
I believe that they're sincere about the music and are sorry that the event went badly, but they clearly seem to think that something bad happened /to/ them, like a natural disaster, rather than admitting and acknowledging that they're incompetent organisers who should be legally prohibited from promoting any sort of events anywhere close to that scale ever again.
You're right that they seem to think this happened to them when they knew well in advance that there were issues with the site which they chose to ignore. Their Sept statement said "When the extent of the missing infrastructure was revealed, we considered our options...but our relatively small company lacked the resources to cover the costs associated with a postponement or cancellation of the festival".
Any promoter that chooses to ignore genuine safety issues with their venue because the cost of postponing or cancelling (or even just not selling more tickets) is too high is not someone I'm going to trust again, regardless of how good the events they put on before were, it smacks of them just riding their luck.
Will definitely be checking out some of the new nights they're doing.
They're great promoters, just not the best administrators. Very similar to ATP in that respect.
The house/dance/bass scene would be worse off if they were to pack it in for good.
it's a bit amusing to see the difference between the reaction on this forum, and say the resident advisor forums for example - there's a lot of loyalty to Bloc and they didn't just start putting on events last year.
That doesn't really excuse just how badly last year went and the attitudes of the promoters since. If anything, it's more frustrating because I have first-hand evidence of how good their events were.
ATP are certainly no angels - presumably someone somewhere got shafted when they went into administration and repackaged themselves. There's certainly a brand loyalty on here for ATP, but I suspect also the fact that they didn't put on a dangerous event that they should have known was unlikely to be successful leaving their customers without refunds (yes, I know many got their money back from other sources) works in their favour as well... people are generally less amenable to being shafted themselves than unknown third parties being shafted.
and it's worrying that they don't really acknowledge their part in it
if they're arguing with insurance companies to try and get money back, they probably can't acknowledge any fault publicly, even if they actually believe they are partly at fault, as the insurers'll just point to that statement and reject any claim flat out.
Missing some Shackleton I can live without. Being trapped in a metal enclosure for nearly 90 minutes with people continually coming in for that duration, no one getting through, people shouting for help, fainting, security panicking and not knowing what to do and eventually a stampede to get out meaning people were getting trampled on... not fun. There were people having panic attacks everywhere. I warned two security guards that people were passed out and getting trodden on, but they continued letting more and more in. I know it wasn't exactly another Hillsborough, but it was the scariest situation I've ever been in.
Turns out they're estate agents (?!)
All i can think is that they're a pair of massive tossers and they can fuck off if they think they are getting any more money from me.
Whatever their reputation was before, they just seem like money grabbing idiots to me, however good their taste in music.
Ooh I don’t know, what did I do today? We kind of get up late and probably go for a stroll down by the canal in Hackney Wick, and then it’ll probably be time for some lunch, so go and have some lunch and talk about what we did at the weekend and music, that sort of thing. Answer the phone, shout at each other – we bicker a lot, probably bicker and argue about money, disagree with each other’s decisions that have been made over the weekend on email. Then it’ll probably be time for another walk, might get to the office for the first time by about 3.30pm, go on Facebook for a little bit and then fuck it off and go to the pub at about 5.30pm or something.
will never get old
Base Logic Productions’ administrators have now published a progress report online. According to Parker Andrews, all ticketholders owed money are likely to get some back, but it is “unlikely to be 100% of your claim”. As a further obstacle to fans left out of pocket by last year’s Bloc Festival — though admittedly, many will have already been refunded by their banks or credit card companies — the administrator is seeking an extension of the administration, as he does not believe matters like the organisers’ insurance claim will be resolved before the automatic close date of July 10. Since the company’s creditors are unlikely to object, this means that, in all likelihood, no-one will be getting any money before next January at the earliest.
Some people may not have seen this in the comments of another thread;
We really need to address the refunds issue.
Bloc was run by an independent company that relied on ticket money coming in, so that it had money to go out, on setting up music festivals.
Up until the Friday that Bloc was cancelled, the company had always covered all of the bills associated with the festival with this money - mostly in advance of the event itself. Many independent festivals happening this summer are set up in exactly the same way.
The company had been going since 2006, pushing the music we loved and creating some pretty fun parties along the way. Many of you will have been to Bloc prior to 2012 and we hope you have many positive memories from those times.
Last summer, suddenly, and unexpectedly, the event was cancelled and the company had to refund everyone who had bought tickets.
But of course it wasn't able to, as that money had already been used to set up the festival. Despite what you may hear elsewhere, pretty much everyone including almost all of the artists, had already been paid.
So the directors put the company into administration.
That means that the company no longer belongs to the directors, and what cash was left in its coffers is transferred over to the administrators to sort out on behalf of anyone owed.
Now we're not looking for any sympathy, but as a bald statement of fact, the directors themselves were utterly wiped out financially by this. The administrators report and company accounts show how little the directors had been paid over the years. You can look it up. As anyone who promotes underground music for a living will tell you, it's not about greed - there are easier ways to get rich.
All of this means that the company that has been set up to run this new series of Bloc shows does not have any of the money associated with Bloc 2012. And that's why it can't offer refunds to anyone either - as much as we wish that it could.
Refunds were made available for everyone who bought their tickets with a UK credit or debit card, via the chargeback scheme. A form was published and if you filled out your name and address you could apply. Most people have done this, and received their refund.
Unfortunately, this wasn't possible for a minority of people. Those who didn't use a UK bank card or came from abroad could not get a refund via this method. That’s a brutal reality of everything that happened and a hard one for us to stomach as you were probably the ones who made the most effort to be with us.
Holding a party which is free to anyone who has not been refunded is a great idea and one which we have spent a lot of time trying to make work - but the reality is that it would be completely impossible to administrate and produce.
Bloc is something very personal to us. It's been running for more than ten years in many different formats and it's grown so much bigger than we ever knew it would - with your backing and support. We don't want to let one cancelled event ruin what had been such a positive thing.
We understand all the frustrations, the anger, the annoyance - we've felt all of this too, in fact lived it for the past six months. But we can't allow ourselves to be buried by them.
Some of you are furious with us and everything we stand for. That's understandable. But some people they would like to give us a second chance - and that's brilliant.
We're grateful to them, and if they want to come to the parties that we run, and enjoy them, we want them to be able to. Thanks to all of you who have already booked into the new series, it's going to be great.
So we're getting back up, slowly, producing the kind of events that we used to in the past, and hopefully replacing foul memories with good ones. The only thing for us is to move forward. And we would like you to come with us.
However, the administrators report lists the following creditors:
Taxman £ 280,000
Trade (i.e. musicians, PA hore, security, etc) £ 300,000
Ticket holders £ 1,500,000
Employees £ 1,000
In other words, no one working for the company has lost out in any significance due to the company going into administration. The 3 employees who still owe some money are preferential creditors and are expected to be fully reimbursed.
Both directors are also the 2 largest shareholders, and their investment is now worthless, but that is by definition the risk of running your own company, a risk they have always known from the start.
Also a bald faced lie. It still belongs to them, and they're still directors and shareholders. They just have no control of it's affairs until it exists administration.
however like ATP everyone will be swung by it.
progress report to creditors and ticketholders – 1 February 2013
Not only were they doing a 'second' early bird deal (buy 3 get 1 free), Beat Manifesto now have 100 half price tickets on sale. Both these deals are for Model 500... this weekend.
I think the bigger concern is that there's still no information on the location and condition of the venue.
Very rarely do they have to panic-shift a load of tickets a few days before the event.
That prob would get punters in to be fair.
spitting bars (results)
My Google skills are clearly lacking, vaguely tempted to see Model 500 for less than a tenner.
"Beat Manifesto has some exclusive £10 tickets for the Model 500 launch this weekend. Just go to bloclondon.com and enter code 'beatmanifestobloc' to get your hands on them."
Still claiming they didn't over-sell. Delusional.
Two main qualms with this interview. Firstly, they say they took tickets off sale a week before the event, but I bought tickets for the Friday on Tuesday, so there's that. It's really grating that they still seem reluctant to the point of restating facts to accept any blame for what happened.
Secondly: "Instead of headliners like Snoop Dogg, Orbital or Nicolas Jaar, police arrived after midnight to point thousands of disappointed ravers to the exit".
Not only was Nicolas Jaar not a headliner, his set went off without a hitch earlier in the evening.
on Friday night, in the pub.
Hyperdub w/ Kode9, DJ Rashad, Ikonika, Scratcha DVA, Cooly G, Walton, Morgan Zarate @ Fabric on Friday or Leveon Vincent, Marcel Dettmann on Saturday instead. Who wants to see some old techno dudes play again anyway when was the last time they had a good track. You have choices, especially in London.
(on a mailing list I have asked to be removed from about a dozen times) offering £5 tickets for the night this weekend. Has anyone been to any of them?
to Shackleton/Appleblim and had a great time. Good venue (5 mins walk from Hackney Wick overground), excellent soundsystem and can't have been far off sold out (with room to breathe still).
I got burnt at their weekend last year but wouldn't have any concerns about attending another of their clubnights.