remix albums - what's the point?
following on from the bjork thread...
how do you feel about em? have you ever heard a good one? are remix albums killing music? safety wink?
they seem pretty pointless. nobody ever likes them outside of one or two tracks p'raps. remixes which are significantly different to the original seems sorta beside the point and as such few ever hold any surprises. the ones that are pretty similar to the originals but slightly more bangin' seem equally useless.
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99% are rubbish
albums that is
based on a very small sample size
depends if they are remixes of an album a la bjork,
or remixes done of different groups grouped together
on one album by the remixers
Heh I still fall for these and I'm always disappointed!
I love *band* and I love *remixer(four tet or somesuch)* so wow, imagine a combination of the two!!! <- my excited brain
Problem with them is that they often have some highlights/good bits but are almost always an incoherent mess.
Kicking a Dead Pig (MOgwai) is the closest I've yet come to finding a decent remix album.
Kicking a Dead Pig is great
and A Wrenched Virile Lore seems like it will be good too, judging from the Tim Hecker, Soft Moon, Justin Broadrick and Xander Harris remixes I've heard so far
Brothers Gonna Work It Out by The Chemical Brothers
is absolutely brilliant. Struggling to think of any others that I put on regular rotation though. They're the kind of thing you listen to once for the novelty and think "yeah that's kinda nice I guess" then never listen again.
That's a mix album - nowt wrong with those, and worthy of its own thread
OP is about when a band release an album of remixes of just their tracks (eg Bloc Party did one. NIN release a crap one after every studio release)
*twilight zone theme*
Oh I see, I probably should have read the OP properly then
Well in that case yeah I don't really have anything to add, I mean there's generally potential there but they end up not being anything all that special, which is a shame. Would like to be proved wrong though.
boggled my mind when
i was reading trent reznor complaining about how most of the people he sends remixes to end up sending stuff back which is too different to the original. if the idea isn't to do something different with the track then what is?
do they actually make anybody any money? why do they get commissioned?
I remember on NIN's Further Down the Spiral
they were credited as 'remixed by' and 'mixed by'. Except the AFX one which was just 'created by'. So that'll be him just grabbing something off the shelf and mailing it to Reznor's label then.
yeah although it was pretty sweet
and kind of NINesque. The further down the spirals are a pretty good example actually, and the closer EPs had good stuff on them. But I still don't understand what function remixes/albums serve, why they exist.
Agree totally re: Closer- best thing on the Closer ones
were the ones NIN had done themselves. Closer to God and that techno mix both better than original IMO.
the techno version of Piggy!!!!!!
dave navarro though...
Primal Scream - Echo Dek
That's pretty bloody good in terms of a whole album being remixed.
Yeah, that's a great one.
I think that works because it's just one remixer doing the album, so instead of being a patchy compilation it's basically an alternative version of Vanishing Point.
One album by the remixers is fine
such as 'Additional Production by Hybrid'
But remixes by various producers of the same band- agree- never heard a decent album like this
My mate swears Phantom Phorce is better Phantom Power
id agree
love both though
anyone ever sat through an entire radiohead one?
TKOL Remix album has some good tunes on it
but I haven't given it a decent listen since it came out, unlike the King of Limbs itself, so it's pretty forgettable really. Nothing too exciting about it, although the Jamie XX and Jacques Greene one's are great. Also Four Tet's remix of Separator is probably the high-light.
I've got a couple of the remix 12"s
and they work a lot better than the double album CD.
It's too much in one go.
I think remixes made more sense when people gave a damn about b sides.
The chemical brothers remix of La Tristessa Durerea was immense but I wouldn't want a whole LP of it.
A whole LP of those early Chem Bros remixes would be good though
Bug Powder Dust (Bomb the Bass), Packet of Peace (Lionrock), Jailbird, I Think I'm in Love. All absolutely cracking
You mean like this?
Balls; this:
http://www.allmusic.com/album/chemical-reaction-mw0000040660
Doesn't have all you ask for (as it's old) but it's aces
TKOL RMX is very good
i mostly just stick it on shuffle and chill
Errors, Mogwai and Twilight Sad have all released/will release one soon.
Not sure.
And I'll buy all of 'em frankly!
Does Nite Versions count?
As that's mostly Soulwax mixing Soulwax. It's the best thing they ever did.
I have a few great ones
I really like the ISIS one for example.
And the King Midas Sound one is very tasty as well. Might even prefer it to the album at times. But then again it is rooted in the dub version culture which that album is all about.
I think it depends how far the remixers go from the source material.
oceanic remixes?
haven't heard that. what's good about it?
Oh yeah forgot about that
Goodness from, among others, Venetian Snares, Mike Patton, JKB...
The Venetian Snares one is incredible.
second the Kind Midas remix album
pretty solid, though it seems like it's easier/a better fit to remix an album of mostly electronic music
The dub version of the last Franz Ferdinand album >>> the last Franz Ferdinand album
nah
The album that proves the worth of remix albums absolutely is
Fixed by NIN (can't believe NIN were mentioned and this not)
It's one of the greatest albums ever, let alone a remix album.
See also:
Godflesh - Love and Hate in Dub
Mogwai - ...Dead Pig
Scorn - Ellipsis
PEDANTRY AHOY!
Isn't broken an e.p. and therefore fixed a remix e.p. and thus ineligible for discussion of the best remix albums?
/pedantry
Objection overruled
It's 40 minutes long and, whilst technically an EP, is admissible as evidence
I'm grateful your honour
Buying Fixed pretty much put me off NIN until With Teeth
Thankfully this was after Downward Spiral
fixed isn't really NIN though is it...
First NIN album I ever bought/heard was Further Down the Spiral coz it was the only one I could afford in HMV and had no idea what I was doing. Fixed was second coz I found it for £1.
half of fixed is great
The other half not so much.
yeah, well that was it
I bought PHM and Downward Spiral when they came out, but managed to miss Broken. Absolutely loved them both. One day I'm browsing second hand CDs and I see Fixed for a couple of bucks and bought it thinking it was great to have some new NIN. Boy did I feel fucking ripped off (even at a 2nd-hand-CD price).
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In the vein of Echo Dek: a dub producer goes to town on a fairly dubby album, makes it dubbier. Having it all from one remixer makes it nice and consistent.
Public Enemy
Greatest Misses.
Decent.
What's remix - Albums? The Point
<seinfeld>following on from what's the deal with remix culture more bangin' seem equally useless.
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how do you feel about have you ever heard a good one? are remix albums killing music? safety wink?
they seem pretty pointless. the bjork thread... nobody ever likes them the bjork thread... outside of one or two tracks p'raps. the bjork thread... remixes which are significantly different to the original the bjork thread...seems and as such few ever hold any surprises the bjork thread.... the ones that are pretty similar to the originals but slightly the bjork thread...
em?
sorta beside the point
the bjork thread...
strong work
Remix albums are almost always patchy as fuck
you always get 2 or 3 amazing remixes released independently then some one in PR decides it can be a single so they attach an album to it with a couple more rushed remixes from bands across a wide spectrum of appeal. As a result you get these 3 awesome remixes and a whole load of tacked on shit which bare little resemblance to the original or even worse just sound like the original put threw a filter.
I HATE REMIX albums, they've destroyed my interest in remix singles, which is a bad thing as the are often some great ones out there.
The first Bjork remix album
i.e. 'The Best Mixes from the Album Debut for All the People Who Don't Buy White Labels' is brilliant. I listen to that at least as often as I listen to Debut, for sure.
Silent Alarm Remixed is brilliant
Intimacy not so much.
No it isn't
Also
The source material on Silent Alarm is infinitely better than Intimacy so the remix album is bound to be better. That's not to say that Silent Alarm Remixed is a brilliant record though
To my mind
a good remix is one that flips the style/mood/tone of the original and gives the track a new life.
Sebastein Tellier- Sexuality and Kings of Convenience- Vs are fine examples of this.
Mixed Up by The Cure works really well
managed to even improve A Forest
It's a bit too 'extended 12" mix' for my liking
wasn't so sure and thrn realised I'd this'd several albums
*cough* 26 Mixes for Cash
Remix albums by the remixer = fine
Remix albums by the remixee = poor
Fun to listen to once or twice
Probably wouldn't buy one. I like it when they're a free download or a bonus disc.
I'd agree that a good remix album is hard to come by.
Health - Disco2 is superb though. I'd consider it among my favourite albums of 2010.
Four Tet - Remixes is also worth grabbing for the first disc, which is his remixes of other artists. The second disc (other artists remixing his work) is pretty dire.
Was such a terrible phase during the 90s
when Beck was all over the place like a sick mess, remixing everything he could get his hands on. There must be a million Beck remixes out there, and I've never heard one that did't suck.
I really liked the Gil Scott Heron v Jamie XX one.
I can think of a couple of good ones
Grevious Angel's version of Dusk & Blackdown's Margins Music is soemthing else he remixes everything on it and remakes it as a sort of mix. And one thats allready been mentioned by King Midas Sound, thats just quality. I did enjoy the first Bloc Party one and the first HEALTH one at the time but going back to them they don't hold up that well really. Most of the time they don't work even when the artists involved are really good just like the Radiohead one the other year. I really like a load of those remixers and even like Radiohead but damn that was a load of arse and didn't do the artists involved any justice at all. Remixes of bands in general aren't the best really its rare one pops up thats any good let alone an albums worth.
Somewhere Trent Reznor is crying....
By which I mean, more than he is usually.
Jamie Lidell had a good one
for Multiply. there's some belters on there. Not as good as the original album but still great.
A lot fo the time the problem with remix albums is the dynamics of the original record. Indie bands don't suit remixes. At all. It's no accident that the best ones are from soul or dance musicians anyway. Well that and bootleg records like the Grey Album or Grateful Doom if they count...