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I'm not a huge fan of The Union Chapel but that's more of my own personal choices. I don't like getting to venues early, something you inevitably have to do for a good seat at The Union Chapel. Having said that, I did that for both Jeff Mangum gigs earlier in the year. Gigs of the year. Brilliant.
as much as I like the union chapel I cant bring myself to sign a petition against an affordable housing development, id be like one of those people with the clipboards in my high street complaining how the some new houses will spoil the character of our town, there are plenty of other venues in london
It's a petition to ensure that if the development goes ahead there is provision for works included to protect the Union Chapel against being closed down for noise and access reasons.
Too often music venues will open up in old industrial areas because it's cheap and few people live there, and then property developers start sniffing around hoping to piggyback on the cutlural cache created by these venues (and attendant practice rooms, artists' studios etc), build flats everywhere to people who then get the venues shut down because of noise and disturbance.
Isn't it a housing association though? music and artist will always find space they can make use of somewhere, just the way it goes
Just Blairite property developers for the most part. Don't consider them any differently.
This is unimaginative planning, simple as. The kind of conservation and construction regs that exist are there for good reason - we need to defend them at all costs, and not just when our favourite music venues are threatened.
Interesting, can't say I know much about them but I thought they were non profit, how do the developers profit?
they pay for developers to do it, guaranteeing the developers a fee, rather than it being speculative.
yeah I did, we understand the need for affordable housing but...
that doesn't close us down?
the union chapel is a homeless shelter and a charity, and a pretty unique venue.
Seems to me if homes are built there at all the noise issue will be there so it is basically amounts to not here. I don't know much of their charity work but I assume most people are supporting it as they don't want to lose it as a music venue (plus would the homeless shelter side of things be affected, not like a noise issue). There will always be valuable reasons to not build at any site but homes have got to be built somewhere.
No one's arguing against the housing development.
What people want is for provisions to be made so that if the housing development is built, then there is some sort of protection for the Union Chapel against noise complaints. This therefore protects a (quite unique) music venue while allowing affordable housing.
As Marckee says upthread, property developers building in inner city locations and then residents moaning about adjacent music venues and leading to their closure happens on a fairly regular basis; take the Freebutt in Brighton for example, which was essentially forced to close because of one neighbour's complaints.
No need to get sweary, I think they are arguing against it as if anything is built on the site noise is going to be an issue, looking at alternatives etc just boils down to we support it just not on that site , a classic nimby move (not saying they are nimbies as they obviously have better more selfless arguments). If it were property developers driving them out to build luxury flats it obviously be against it but a housing association building affordable homes is less clear cut for me. The freebutt situation was totally different and u side with the venue in that situation. Basically as much as I like the union chapel I think affordable housing is more important, many obviously disagree.
that will make it necessary for the developer to include for better sound insulation to the affordable housing, or better sound insulation to the Union Chapel itself, or improved parking/layby space for deliveries and drop offs, or maybe improved areas for the homeless people who use the facilities to mitigate against future residents complaining against 'undesirables' in the vicinity.
It has to be said that London isn't heading in the right direction when it comes to music venues. More and more of them are closing and more and more venues are having to open up in areas that are further and further away from the central areas of London. Not only will this lead to increased travel times for anyone wanting to attend venues, but it will also lead to the disconnection of networks, communities and scenes.
Fair enough but those provisions won't fix the issue they have with the height of the building. Those last points are all true I'm not saying there aren't downsides
six stories is hardly outrageuos for a central london location
being contrary to what the council stipulated.
When the Union Chapel was first built, in the late 19th century, the site for the now proposed development was completely covered by existing housing. This remained so until at least the 1950s, and the last residential dwellings, a row of 3-storey houses fronting Canonbury Road were only knocked down in the 1980s, to be replaced by a car showroom wholly uncharacteristic for the area, and more suitable for a out-of-town retail park. This showroom was vacated about 10 years ago, and most recently housed a cheap furniture shop, while the concrete forecourt has remained empty in recent years. A true eyesore.
The proposed new development will only be 5 storeys high (not 6 as claimed up there^), and this height will be along Canonbury Road, i.e. furthest away from the Union Chapel. The stepping down from 5 to 2 storeys along Edwards Cottages and from 4 to 2 storeys along Compton Avenue (the back of the Union Chapel borders on this street) respects the smaller scale nature of these secondary streets in comparison to Canonbury Road.
And finally, while it may be true that this new development may suffer from noise issues due to gigs taking place, the Union Chapel is already surrounded by existing houses with people living in them, and almost all of these houses were built well before the Union Chapel existed in its current form and started to hold concerts.