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A contrary* thought for the day http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121012/12521020691/next-time-someone-suggests-piracy-will-kill-music-remind-them-that-music-survived-last-ice-age.shtml
* = well, compared to the usual X-is-Dead blog-traffic-circle-jerk-logic
(Feel free to give me a shoeing)
I was kind of under the impression that music piracy had been curtailed to a large extent.
I've never been much of an illegal downloader at all but I tried to d/l the new baroness record (I'd already paid nearly 20 quid for the vinyl and was buggered if I was also going to pay for a d/l as it didn't come with a code) and after a consider amount of searching found it totally impossible: all the mediafire links etc etc connected to the search had been taked down in compliance with that US legislation.
I guess that there are probably clever people on here with exciting ways of getting hold of downloads but, based purely on my one experience, is it the case that this legislation (whatever your stance on it) is kind of working?
I've done the same, tried to download albums that I have on vinyl only and they're seemingly nowhere to be found, in contrast to about a year ago when it was ridiculously easy to just type in basically any album title followed by 'rar' and get a raft of download links. Seemed to coincide with the closure of Megaupload.
though perhaps a combination of legislation and spotify type services means there is less piracy overall? No idea really.
and whether anyone will listen back to it?
President Morgan Freeman saying "Good luck and God help us all" or whatever he said in Deep Impact. Though I guarantee you that whatever future civilisation emerges from the annihilation of mankind and all life on earth, Mick_Squalor will still be there JAGging his band... :/
There still seems a healthy/unhealthy culture around megaupload type sites for blogs/forums, was bit shocked to see nodata was still up and running the other day, that's one of the bigger players. I've no experience with torrents at all though, but I thought all the file-sharing was based round this now?
but I'm too old to understand these things now. But I don't get that article. No-one is saying piracy will kill music, they're saying piracy will kill great music. And the fact that I hardly listen to any music written before about 1955 may suggest that the "music industry" as I've understood it has been a positive thing that I wouldn't want to see destroyed.
I'm a fan of Kristin Hersh and she's developing ways of supporting herself largely outside of the music industry by directly engaging with fans. This is all great. But what about the new Kristin Hersh who is currently 15 years old and writing songs in her bedroom. How will she develop enough fans to support herself through Kickstarter? Would I be a paying "fan" of Kristin Hersh if 4AD hadn't supported her financially and promoted her music to an English audience in the Eighties? This is my concern.
Yeah, I guess I'm just repeating the old "well it's ok for Radiohead to give away their album once they've made it" argument.
Essentially though, Ice Age music sucked. Who wants to go back to that?
And I cited her, er, business model and fan support as a comparison point to Amanda Palmer's in *that* thread. She's someone I am more than happy to support upfront artistically.
The new/next Kristin, I do see what you're saying but she can't just sit in her bedroom and expect people to find her bandcamp/kickstarter, it's never been that way. If she's not willing to get out there and represent herself to a potential audience, do shows and make people aware of her then of course she won't get any support. Yes the (oh god sorry for this phrase) market is saturated, but on the other hand the 'platform' for that market is now world wide and the theory goes that if you reach out enough, and are halfway decent obviously, then a niche/pocket audience is there to pick up on you.
I think I saw a video of Sharon van Etten a few years ago playing in someone's kitchen for a tiny blog and now look at her and I understand how much hard work she's put in to get there. How does piracy affect her? She has over half her album out there on music blogs and I think I have about two hours worth of performances on podcasts from the last year or so. So I suppose that audience will form the basis of paying fans for the next record, do you think?
glad to see it made.
... Is also indicative of the current crack down on illegal downloading. It's true that the internet piracy "industry" is more dry these days than it ever has been since it became popular,and I don't download very much at all, but it is nigh on impossible to find decent links for albums (torrents generally don't work on my computer for some reason).
Which actually leads on nicely to an idea that I had recently. I think it won't be long before the government brings in a apiece of legislation so that computers and music playing products, such as itunes etc, are built so that illegal downloads will not work and won't be supported by their systems. I don't think it'll necessarily be a good thing if it happens, I'm not sure where I stand on the whole illegal downloading thing, but it's the kind of thing I can see them implementing.
`` it is nigh on impossible to find decent links for albums``
Uh, it really isn't.
``I think it won't be long before the government brings in a apiece of legislation so that computers and music playing products, such as itunes etc, are built so that illegal downloads will not work and won't be supported by their systems``
I think they might just skip to the magic fairies who stop your hand from pressing the play button on naughty music.