was meant to be at the bottom.
As soon as we all get our heads round that fact that all bands exist now, and no one has actually split up - just stopped for a bit, we can disarm this constant break up /reformation nonsense that is an easy paycheck.
Moz is a hypocrite and Marr will play with the Cribs if the timing is right, so just don't see any reason why it wont happen.
Stone Roses are headlining GBury though. Would be kind of awesome to have them both, and certainly test my "never going to Gbury again" claim.
Thought that was a shoe-in.
It's probably a £££ thing.
They have played some free gigs, and some mega-money spinners. They could easily just announce five nights at the 02 if they really wanted to cream it in. They also were meant to play Gbury of course, and I reckon Brown is the type to remember this stuff and [does shuffle, zips up coat] "we owe them kiddies man" [looks humourless, buffs shades]
and didn't want to book a headliner with 'legacy' but barely an album's worth of decent songs.
so i doubt that's a problem
the verves early albums were great thankyou-very-much
seeing as he's still chasing Moz through the courts.
This isn't going to happen though.
Short of giving all the money to charity, there's absolutely no way Morrissey could do this without looking like (even more of a) ridiculous hypocrite.
If they were to reform, though, then i actually agree that it doesn't matter whether Rourke and Joyce are involved. The Smiths was Morrissey and Marr, simple as that. As much as the other two might've been alright at what they did, and nice it'd be to have them involved, they were never much more than session musicians.
Also, the chances of proper fans getting tickets for non-festival dates are so slim there's nothing worth getting excited about. The promotors and distributors will keep all the tickets inhouse, knowing full well they'll get hundreds of pounds each for them on the secondary market.
Personally, i hope it doesn't happen. Little good comes of this sort of thing. People don't really settle scores and drop grudges, as we've seen with, well, the Libertines, the Stone Roses, others. It just gets to the point where they can't turn down the money. I wouldn't particulary want the Smiths to do it for those reasons, and i highly doubt they will, but then i'm not either of their accountants.
They were of their time, but it's best left as it was - not far off perfect.
it was a different time, they are different people- morrissey performing smiths songs is still fantastic- but he is happy with his band, musicians who have been with him for years.
I'm unsure on one point- i think of them as more than session musicians. Johhny marr obviously led the band muscially but there is some amazing drumming, etc that can't be completely glossed over, and it was just them two (mike and andy) for the whole, short, duration of the smiths and that's important too.
all playing to the same quality or something, which the words session musician suggests)
The first Morrissey solo gig in 1988 was a lineup of Morrissey/Joyce/Rourke and a different guitar player (so essentially smiths less Marr).
But then that was 1988 and it's 2012 now + all the court battles over everything, who knows how complicated it would be to get it to happen.
But I can't see why it would happen, they've all gone on and on about why it shouldn't happen so many times before. Just feel it would be a bit of a let down to see it happen.
He sacked their first guitartist after one gig, Rourke for drugs only to reinstate him after a week, and then Craig Gannon after one tour. He made the band get rid of managers almost yearly, or whenever he felt he was losing a bit of control of Marr.
The Joyce court case came about because until that point Morrissey and Marr had been dividing 90% of the Smiths income between them, which is why i refer to the other two above as 'never much more than session musicians'. They might have actually been more than that, but they weren't in Morrissey's eyes, or legally. Joyce (rightly) wanted 25%, assumedly of the non-writing royalties, which was fair enough.
The only certainty of all this is that Morrissey would have no part of anything involving Joyce. He'd look ridiculous. I'm 95% sure it won't happen, but if it did, it would have to be Morrissey, Marr, Rourke and a new drummer. No big deal. Not sure there's such a thing as a great drummer, to be honest.
When Larry Mullen Jr says if Bono left the band, it'd be fine, they could get another singer easy to replace him. But if he left the band, U2 would cease to exist because they couldn't find anyone to replace him?
It's fucking hilarious. He says it openly in front of the other 3 who all look totally perplexed.
I know this doesn't really have anything to do with the Smiths, but just what you were saying about Joyce it made me think about it... and laugh.
saying he 'can't say' who his source was for the story. adds more heft to the thing.
hopefully its not gonna be a The Tears/ Page n Plant Unplugged job :/
The Page/Plant thing was awesome.
So it wouldn't be The Smiths per se, but near enough that a promoter could sell the shows under the Smiths name.
Or they could just do it under the name Morrissey & Marr - that'd sell just as many tickets. Page & Plant did someting similar instead of getting Led Zeppelin back together and they managed to headline festivals under that moniker without any trouble.
not sure how the smiths, david guetta, olly murs and example will fit in together on the main stage...
Moz is out of a deal for his solo stuff and plans to retire soon, do 3 gigs and call it a pension. one last hurrah and hell of a load of money.
rational side over
OMG I WILL SELL MY LEFT KIDNEY FOR A TICKET IF THIS HAPPENS.
I'd even consider braving V Fest to see them, and that's saying something.
I saw him do stand up once at a pub in Islington, he was telling stories about Gene Simmons, it was actually quite funny probably better than Orlando.
Maybe Morrissey/Marr under a different name, but Morrissey is just too much of an aesthete to reform a band called The Smiths with a different line up. No doubt as to the craziness of the money on the table, but they're both very rich men and I don't really see what could have changed to lure them in.
That it was Marr who didn't want to rake over old ground...
because I'd be really sad when I didn't get tickets, and possibly even more sad if I did get tickets and they turned out being shit.
but I want to see them so idk.
2. Cheers for making getting Glastonbury tickets even more difficult
It's no coincidence that one always pops up the week the tickets go on sale.
Lets be honest the draw of ANYONE COULD PLAY!!!, is much bigger than that of the actual line up.
The one year when they announced it in advance (2008) it struggled to sell out and Eavis fell into bad health over the stress.
Not saying for sure, obviously other sources are just as likely to start rumours right now too, but it does always happen.
...re-evaluate the songs...
broken glass to watch the smiths in 2013 and spend all of my time beforehand and much of my life after moaning on the internet about what sell-outs they are. everyone wins.
which got you kicked out of The Proclaimers.
Also no sense of rhythm.