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How do we reinvent the concept of a good British guitar band?

MerePseudBagHead_III [Edit] [Delete] 68 replies 16:14, 21 September '12

Just wondered. I'm not sure if the Vaccines are exactly a shining example of this. (Post Break Up Sex is one of the worst songs I have ever heard. Then again, Norgaard and If Ya Wanna are great pop tunes.. then again, I wish people would aspire for something a bit more substantial.)

But with garish R&B chart pop dominating the, er, charts, anything vaguely metal being shoved back into the, er, metal ghetto, and pastoral/mildly psychedelic Americana being quite hip right now, what do you think we could do?

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  • Does Brit guitar need reinventing?

    Let's just let it evolve over time and not listen to things that sound like crap (e.g. Vaccines)

    dcnuman | 21 Sep '12, 16:34 | X
    JaguarPirate this'd this
    • I agree.

      Let's not rush things, I'm happy to kindly ignore all indie guitar bands for a while. If you want guitars, man up and listen to some metal.

      Ichor @dcnuman | 21 Sep '12, 17:08 | X
      anal_schwarzenegger this'd this
      • p.s wtf is a metal ghetto?

        Is it made of corrugated iron?

        Ichor @Ichor | 21 Sep '12, 17:15 | X
        • It's basically the "place" exclusively inhabited by people like this:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pehHOqx7JXg&t=1m04s

          MerePseudBagHead_III @Ichor | 21 Sep '12, 17:19 | X
  • Proper songs

    proper haircuts

    Cementimental | 21 Sep '12, 17:03 | X
    automatik, DaddyorChips, and Alex-in-Ciderland this'd this
  • Reinvent the guitar perhaps

    Body_In_The_Thames | 21 Sep '12, 17:12 | X
    politelydeclined this'd this
    • put a donk on it? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151109212138145

      sean @Body_In_The_Thames | 21 Sep '12, 17:25 | X
      • seeing as you're on the electronic tip

        how come we haven't had your ears on this yet?

        http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4414648

        Body_In_The_Thames @sean | 21 Sep '12, 17:32 | X
        • Good double-jagging

          moker @Body_In_The_Thames | 21 Sep '12, 17:33 | X
  • This is actually a really good thread

    Basically, we need to forget The Beatles and Brit Pop ever existed.

    Opinions on these two things aside, so much guitar music harks back to eras that need to be left alone.

    Stop mod haircuts
    Stop Union jack guitars and target logos
    Stop the street urchin bollocks
    Kill Damon Albarn.

    That last point was just a general suggestion.

    moker | 21 Sep '12, 17:18 | X
    • Damon Albarn? Come on, he's not the bad guy...

      deep-blue @moker | 21 Sep '12, 20:16 | X
  • I don't understand

    why any young person passionate about music in 2012 would want to play/write generic britpop type music.

    Si_Badvibes | 21 Sep '12, 17:22 | X
    • borrowed nostalgia for the unremembered 90s

      plus, it's easy

      Body_In_The_Thames @Si_Badvibes | 21 Sep '12, 17:24 | X
      TheWza this'd this
      • anyone can play guitar hero?

        sean @Body_In_The_Thames | 21 Sep '12, 17:25 | X
        MerePseudBagHead_III this'd this
      • It's odd seeing the VIVA ads aimed at young teenagers

        Who weren't old enough to remember the Fresh Prince of Bel Air.

        My generation does that with the 80s. Sometimes it's better to make believe.

        They haven't formed any ropey synth bands as of yet, mind.

        MerePseudBagHead_III @Body_In_The_Thames | 21 Sep '12, 17:31 | X
        • some of those adverts have an 80s theme

          for a 90s program. conflating cultural signifiers!

          *shuffles off*

          incandenza_ @MerePseudBagHead_III | 21 Sep '12, 17:48 | X
          • Fancy dress parties with a decade theme are always car-crash funny.

            Especially 80s ones. It'll be interesting to know how people lampoon the 2010s in 20 years' time. After all, at their worst the likes of Nicki Minaj are more Halloween costumes than real people..

            MerePseudBagHead_III @incandenza_ | 21 Sep '12, 17:58 | X
    • Easy answer....

      Money....lots and lots of money

      dcnuman @Si_Badvibes | 21 Sep '12, 21:51 | X
  • I don't know

    Are you harking for the days of Franz, Bloc Party, Futureheads, Snow Patrol etc. or even earlier? Because that would matter, a lot

    wonton | 21 Sep '12, 17:30 | X
    • Fuck no.

      Actually, just Snow Patrol. They represent almost all that's wrong with modern music.

      Back in 2005, most British guitar bands around were outstandingly average, but at least they seemed to be competing.. it seemed like there was a sense of healthy competition which could lead on to something genuinely great. Rather that than now, where sometimes guitar music's been so weak that some people see the Enemy and Jon McClure as heroic lone wolves.

      MerePseudBagHead_III @wonton | 21 Sep '12, 17:36 | X
      • I'm no Snow Patrol fan

        But I think you're being a bit harsh to them. Anyway, don't you feel like being a bit more ambitious then getting slightly better, guitar based music back into the charts? Like a manifesto of how to get (for example) genuinely interesting bands like Wild Beasts more attention.

        wonton @MerePseudBagHead_III | 21 Sep '12, 17:41 | X
        • Never even heard Wild Beasts

          All I know about them is that they're from the Lake District.

          This probably makes me look even more of a square than my 1,000 previous posts.

          MerePseudBagHead_III @wonton | 21 Sep '12, 18:02 | X
          • Well I don't know much about your taste in music...

            But how about trying Smother/Two Dancers? The least it can do is make a few more users accept you a bit more... ;)

            wonton @MerePseudBagHead_III | 21 Sep '12, 18:06 | X
            withakay this'd this
            • I'm not on these forums for acceptance.

              I'm on here to rub the human face in its own vomit whilst cutting "4 REAL" into my arm.

              MerePseudBagHead_III @wonton | 21 Sep '12, 18:14 | X
          • To be fair, if you're looking for a reinvention of the good British guitar band

            Wild Beasts aren't a bad place to start. I'm not sure it'd be your thing, but you should give Two Dancers a spin.

            automatik @MerePseudBagHead_III | 21 Sep '12, 18:09 | X
            • Aw, you're such a tease..

              .. What do you mean by "not sure it'd be your *thing*?" :D

              I'll have a look at their work. Going on holiday tomorrow so will try and get a few tracks in tonight.

              I think I dismissed them in the press because I thought they were too prog, which just shows how much of a philistine bastard I can be at my worst!

              MerePseudBagHead_III @automatik | 21 Sep '12, 18:17 | X
              • I’d actually start with Limbo, Panto

                Might make you appreciate the subtleties of the following two albums more, plus it's a batshit brain splatter of a record and immensely loveable.

                in_limbo @MerePseudBagHead_III | 21 Sep '12, 19:47 | X
                • I love Limbo, Panto pretty much on a par with Two Dancers

                  I just think the raucous cabaret of the thing might put some people off the band altogether... I remember absolutely hating it when it first came out and my flatmate was playing it to death!

                  automatik @in_limbo | 21 Sep '12, 19:50 | X
                • I think I'd only start with Limbo, Panto if...

                  you were fairly certain they'd be your kind of band. It is a great record, but one you have to learn to love more than TD/Smother.

                  wonton @in_limbo | 21 Sep '12, 20:00 | X
            • They're pretty much the only place to start

              But what a place!

              wonton @automatik | 21 Sep '12, 20:01 | X
              funkycow this'd this
  • I'm in no hurry for all that palaver to start again, it'll come round soon enough

    Meanwhile, music's been looking pretty sexy and giving me the glad-eye across the dancefloor this year; I'm not desperate to stick it in a tatty leather jacket and sideburns.

    automatik | 21 Sep '12, 17:31 | X
    • You can keep your Costa Brava and all that palaver.

      Or pullover.

      MerePseudBagHead_III @automatik | 21 Sep '12, 17:37 | X
    • Matthew, that is a great quote

      How much for a T-shirt? Or a thong with that logo emblazoned on it?

      MerePseudBagHead_III @automatik | 21 Sep '12, 17:59 | X
  • START A BAND

    romanisbetter | 21 Sep '12, 17:39 | X
    TheWza this'd this
  • People are falling over themselves to call this band the future

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poFXWUTEs1k

    sounds a bit street urchin to me

    mrdaniels | 21 Sep '12, 17:45 | X
    • Christ

      :\

      automatik @mrdaniels | 21 Sep '12, 17:48 | X
    • strats & teles through fender twin reverbs

      with a p-bass

      how very refreshing

      Body_In_The_Thames @mrdaniels | 21 Sep '12, 17:48 | X
      • Turned it off after a minute and a half.

        Sounds like a really bad Cribs. Ironically, once the band championed to do the exact same thing as my thread title.

        MerePseudBagHead_III @Body_In_The_Thames | 21 Sep '12, 18:03 | X
    • I really, really, REALLY want to hate this

      but I can't

      Mehodor @mrdaniels | 22 Sep '12, 05:11 | X
      • I know what you mean.

        TheWza @Mehodor | 22 Sep '12, 09:52 | X
        andyvine this'd this
        • I think it's cos it's obviously really generic, but it's so very basic that there's hardly anything to actually dislike about it musically (other than it's lack of ambition, which is a bit of a silly basis for ragging on something).

          TheWza @TheWza | 22 Sep '12, 09:56 | X
  • More cowbell

    oceanRain | 21 Sep '12, 18:01 | X
    TheWza this'd this
  • Mount Kimbie are probably the closest you'll come to a reinvention of the british guitar band for now

    Body_In_The_Thames | 21 Sep '12, 18:02 | X
  • REBUILD

    Body_In_The_Thames | 21 Sep '12, 18:04 | X
  • motherfudging lasers going off every time they hit a string

    12 bassists
    giant rotating gold statues of batman

    shucks | 21 Sep '12, 18:05 | X
    • Already been done

      JohnM @shucks | 21 Sep '12, 18:07 | X
  • have you tried fucking off?

    Jordan_229_2 | 21 Sep '12, 18:12 | X
    WhiteLightWhiteCity and gonad this'd this
  • What about Everything Everything?

    Do they count?

    Blackjack_Bauer | 21 Sep '12, 20:08 | X
    • The band?

      Or MPBH_III's posting style?

      wonton @Blackjack_Bauer | 21 Sep '12, 20:10 | X
  • just let it die in England

    It's been decades since it was worth listening to outside of Wales and Scotland...

    DiSisAcid | 21 Sep '12, 20:25 | X
  • I had a dream a while back

    that involved a band that was basically a motown rythm section, buzzcocks guitar and john lennon on vocals, it was amazing. I say we do that.

    (and it'll be shit)

    Tiresias42 | 21 Sep '12, 20:55 | X
    • sounds promising

      what are they singing about?

      Body_In_The_Thames @Tiresias42 | 21 Sep '12, 20:58 | X
      • I don't remember

        which isn't greatly helpful, but it's about the most constructive dream i've had in years so can't complain

        Tiresias42 @Body_In_The_Thames | 21 Sep '12, 21:31 | X
  • Listen to Our Acoustic Demo

    http://soundcloud.com/doggoneuk/sets/you-get-what-you-pay-for/

    the sound don't need re-iventing, you just need that extra bit of sexyness and that extra bit of danger, you need every band to want to be The Fucking Replacements or the Manics, a glorious rock n' roll mess free of ambition to be anything more than the best band they can be.

    Most current Guitar bands are jobbing careerist musicians who will do anything to get a deal and keep it, but there are bands coming through who just want to play to people and get shit moving.

    You go back to what made it great, energy, passion, melodies, a sense of purpose, a sense of sexyness and intelligence, and you Ditch the Topman employees with Guitars.

    Unpretentious, Unashamed celebrations of Glamorous romantic Indie Rock N' Roll.

    it's what we believe in atleast. xxx DogGone

    doggoneuk | 21 Sep '12, 21:16 | X
    xilia this'd this
    • hmmm

      if you'd only posted a link, I'd be tempted.
      However, your po-faced and irritating PR waffle has put me off for life.
      Cheers

      johnwiddop @doggoneuk | 22 Sep '12, 07:36 | X
      • oh sorry, it's not intended as PR waffle, just general Waffle, I tend to get passionate about things (especially music).

        we're far from talented/good looking/connected/rich enough to be the next Libertines but hopefully we can cause a racket opening up for the next Libertines. well one can only hope x

        doggoneuk @johnwiddop | 22 Sep '12, 22:53 | X
  • MY LITTLE BROTHER JUST DISCOVERED ROCK AND ROLL

    soapy | 21 Sep '12, 21:48 | X
    orangejuice and StormJH this'd this
  • Make Future of the Left madatory listening for all primary school kids.

    TheWza | 22 Sep '12, 09:57 | X
    SarahIsPi, Lililololaure, and TheSoundofBastards this'd this
  • British guitar music does not need re- inventing

    There's an absolute plethora of good British guitar music around at the moment... Toy, Mogwai, Foals, Wild Beasts, Pulled Apart By Horses, Tribes, FoTL to name a few. People just need to look for it.

    FWBTS | 22 Sep '12, 16:17 | X
    guntrip this'd this
    • ^stock DiS answer

      wonton @FWBTS | 22 Sep '12, 19:58 | X
      TheWza this'd this
      • Not really

        The stock DiS answer is much hand-wringing over how no-one is making good guitar music at the mo, which is nonsense. Every one of those bands (apart from Tribes, but that's just personal taste I guess) is a good answer to the question of a good British guitar band.

        andyvine @wonton | 23 Sep '12, 00:01 | X
        • Someone needs to give the British guitar music scene a good kick up the arse.

          DaddyorChips | 22 Sep '12, 20:24 | X
          doggoneuk this'd this
          • But who will save us?

            automatik @DaddyorChips | 22 Sep '12, 23:37 | X
            • You called?

              Superindieman @automatik | 23 Sep '12, 03:27 | X
              • :D

                automatik @Superindieman | 24 Sep '12, 00:50 | X
                DaddyorChips and rainmaker this'd this
        • The Vaccines are the best at what they do by several country miles

          and don't pretend to be anything they're not like other three-chord bands I can think of.

          And no one's mentioned The Horrors, who've shown these past few years that one average debut album isn't necessarily the career killer some people would have you believe.

          domgourlay | 23 Sep '12, 23:47 | X
        • Just go abroad

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZYbAJQbZA0&feature=g-all-u

          JVGM-music | 24 Sep '12, 07:55 | X
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