I made my synthesizer bleed for this
tell me what you think
it has real moments, when stuff clicks together etc
didn't mean to skip over your appreciation like that
I appreciate your appreciation
that's alright man, i'm not quite so insecure as to take offense from that. the bit about 4:40 into the first one with the piano sounding chords and slidy bass is beautiful... lots of other moments in there too. this sort of entirely synth built stuff is something i always enjoy but very rarely listen to or look into so its great to have it on the doorstep like.
that bit is the bit I was talking about down here http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4414648#r7012919 - the bit I came up with first but decided it was better just dropped in the middle somewhere rather than being the basis of the whole piece
works better that way I think
Love your stuff.
It's really nice to get such positive feedback - and actual cash monies from 1 of you (shipment?)
@ alcxxk yeah, the moments thing is quite weird.
I took a totally new approach to arrangement on this in the sense that I didn't arrange it at all really. I just recorded a massive amount of parts and then did the mixdown on the fly and tried to make it like a live performance - was aiming to get close to the energy of something like that Factory Floor 2 different ways track
Then the 2nd track is all the bits I didn't use in the first mixdown and I repitched and EQ'd to give it a downtempo slant but they are actually the same track unbelievably
Also, EVERY sound is from my Jupiter6 - drums/percussion the lot + some delay & reverb
Hence the name (which isn't a ? mark DiS utf) which is the astrological symbol for Jupiter
TMI? I'm gonna look silly when no one replies under here
By the way, everything on my Bandcamp page is available to d/l at pay what you like, no minimum price ie FREE so take a look/listen around
I'm doing a Radiohead
Anyone else want to give it a spin/ give an opinion?
it's a good approach when you're doing analoguey stuff, not to try and be too controlling of it. you've just done it really well
Where's it from? Did you do it?
though I have plans afoot to work with creating my own ones
they're by this guy http://www.flickr.com/photos/dsnet/sets/72157621197543948/
A couple of my mates came in when it was playing and liked the sound.
these mates of yours ... not Croatian by any chance?
synth sounds on it are pretty sublime. Its a little prog for my taste in parts but it still kicks, espesh that first three/four/five mins, nice bit of energy there. If you did a basement stripped down dubbed out techno spesh it would almost remind me of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdMR5gr0GwM
it does have more than a passing resemblance to that
sounds like Levon Vincent has a much better soundcard/preamp/mastering technician than me
hadn't thought of the track as prog at all but now you mention it perhaps giving it a little squiggly symbol name tips it into prog territory a bit ha
esp. at the start.
Haven't listened to the second yet.
so, like the whole first 30 secs, but more specifically the percussion sound(s) that start from the beginning.
mostly square or shaped pulse waves mixed with the noise generator, very short attack & decay with 100% keyboard follow on midi notes set at 1/32th length put through band pass filters at varying cutoff & resonance
a bit of cross modulation on one of them, a bit longer decay and more noise on others
and now with VIDEO
a dubby afrodisco affair
like a spoilt pirate choking on his shit parrot. Rubbish. Take up your next job ruling the world. Horrid.
Fascinating really. I very much enjoyed this review.
have those two words ever been put together like that before?
I put it up here
and - as a little extra - here's a cover of David Bowie's Modern Love
this Thursday: radioerlanger.wordpress.com
@radioerlanger for the Twitter updates.
If you don't mind?
Why would I mind?
You shall be slipped in alongside a Muse cover of Sign O' The Times.
Now that's put an entirely different slant on it
and I like your style
much better. New broadcast goes live this morning. Must..sleep..soon
Nice woreds & music selection
Post the link
But I will accept that invitation gladly.
I'm glad you like it, I'm still getting a feel for it. Have toned down the nautical schtik somewhat!
I wouldn't worry about it too much if I were you :)
I must say that your cover of Modern Love is inspired. I overheard a couple of my younger colleagues talking about it in the staff room at lunch and thought I should log on, tune in and see what the fuss was about. Excellent work!
err, thanks - glad you like it ... strange post though, but ta
Fancy playing it on my radio show if that's alright with you?
what's your radio show?
Streams on the website, I do every Sunday 8-10pm. Unfortunately I don't update my show webpage as much as I should though.
download want you want from the bandcamp page
Did I make the playlist ?
The 16th. And you did indeed make the playlist, played the second track. Great stuff.
Are the shows archived online? Can I 'listen again' ?
Think I took a copy of the show. I'll check tomorrow and if I have I'll upload it.
Thanks very much :)
is amazingly good, son. the percussion particularly. The high melodic keys tone could do with a bit of refinement but otherwise, its big time. Not sooo keen on the second track.
cheers for giving it a listen. The 2nd one is more of a grower/not as good/a b-side
defo has an actress/Jam city feel to it. love it
Not sure how I missed it until now
I wouldn't have had it down as your kind of thing at all
i'll listen to it on the train if it's still sunny later. good sunny-on-the-train vibes.
haven't taken a staring out of the window of a train journey with it yet
have a feeling it might work well for that
a great chunk of music for a journey - no reading allowed though, spoils the staring/music combo...
thanks, that's good to know
I don't really make any journeys longer than 15 minutes and most of those are on my bike
you reminded me also of Philip Larkin's The Whitsun Weddings and particularly this favourite bit of mine
They watched the landscape, sitting side by side
—An Odeon went past, a cooling tower,
And someone running up to bowl—and none
Thought of the others they would never meet
Or how their lives would all contain this hour.
I thought of London spread out in the sun,
Its postal districts packed like squares of wheat:
I love that stanza
is a fucking don. nice to see a bit of poetry on the 'boards!
Might send you some geeky questions later if you don't mind...
tell me about the production mastering process.
really good, gonna buy it on my next payday.
then if you want you can download it again on payday :)
there wasn't much involved in the mastering - a little EQing and a small amount of compression and limiting - most of it was in the recording & mixing
I meant the creation of sounds and mixing too. :)
ha of course
I have one of these http://www.vintagesynth.com/roland/jup6.php# and all of the sounds came from there straight into my soundcard
this track (it's the same track in two parts) started with me exploring how to make drum sounds with the synth so I began with a bass kick and after a few attempts got a nice one and recorded the audio
then I tried some hats, some percussion, some clap sounds and so on recording them in short clips into ableton
only having the one synth means recording each bit separately but it takes midi so I would write a 4 or 8 bar hi hat pattern and then play it through the synth, get a hi hat sound for example (noise generator, through band pass filter with a short filter (vcf) envelope and a medium short amp (vca) envelope etc) and then I'd record for a few minutes and slowly move the filters, envelopes etc by hand until I had a nice or useable take
basically I repeated this about 20 times with different patterns and had myself a pretty complicated rhythm track
then I tried to figure out a bassline - there's 8 bars in the middle of the track that has a melodic bass bit with chords - that's what I came up with first and it's a nice melody but I wanted something that just rocked tight with the rhythm so I took one of the percussion patterns I'd written and put it through the synth with (and here's my bass sound if you can follow) osc1 at -2 with a saw wave synced to osc2 at -1 with a sine & noise with the 24db lpf at 15% and the vcf env at 25%
...and it sounded great so
I built the track kind of around that - or rather I rinsed every idea I could get out of the synth and ended up with about 40 channels and between 5 and 15 riffs on each channel
at this point I usually think to myself 'fuck, how the hell am I going to arrange all of this' and this time was no different but I thought I'd try and do a live take building up the track and triggering different parts
I have one of these http://midiland.godo.co.kr/shop/skin/default/img/product/novation/ReMOTE_ZeRO_SL/angle.jpg which automatically maps to ableton so I just busted a live mix using that
the key with this track, as well as the nice sounds, and with all tracks in a sense, is reverb & delay. I set up a reverb send & return & a delay send & return and as well as triggering and fading the arrangement I'm doing a lot of work on the faders with the send & returns and I one point in the track I completely cut the reverb & delay and the track jumps really close
so yeah, one take 12 & a half minutes. It's not perfect but it's probably more interesting for not being perfect
then I did the second track with the bits I didn't use from the first take and used the same method, pitched and eq'd a few things in the rhythm track and tried to get a completely different feel
so I think that about covers it
unless you have some specific questions
the use of the synth as percussion generator reminds me of some primitive sonic doodles (wouldn't call them tunes) I did on Audacity years ago. didn't have synths or drum machines, so I used noise and wave generators combined with the inbuilt VSTs to fashion my percussion and synth sounds. proper raw sound synthesis :)
and your live approach to mixing is ingenius; I like it when a tune sounds alive, and automation is such an awkward way of getting that constant shifting feeling.
I need to start making tunes again...gonna look for some good free VSTs, although I could do with a hard synth like you have.
but that video made me think - why not programme a whole kit/ drum track
wonder if length will make it slightly daunting listen sounds pretty lovely
that was very generous of you
hope you don't have problems with length ..uumm, yeah :)
especially the second track
hmm, a live synth ensemble
could be fun
no-one has 'liked' it, but hopefully some people have listened and liked it. i'm thinking of putting a compilation out in the future so i'll be in touch :)
you shared the Moonbass EP, nice
re. the compilation, definitely get in touch, I've always wanted to be big in Nottingham
it's not supposed to sound sneery and condescending
I went to Nottingham once. It was nice :)
What do you mean? Does the label have a hardcore fanbase in Castle Donington or something?
This is very good indeed
must be one of the most successful JAG's ever on here ... I think
I got lost in there at some point. Lovely.
I'm guessing you must do but maybe for safety reasons you decide not to
it gives quite a rush to listen to it coming down the mild hills of urban Stockholm, I wonder how it feels coming down a proper hill with it loud in the ears
want to try it and report back?
Sorry but no I don't. Cannot trust myself to listen to music as I tend to concentrate too much on the music and not enough on the road. Don't need the distraction. The roads, traffic and drivers are bad enough without chucking hypnotic music in the mix.
Now on a nice long hill walk, that'd be cool.
it's different in town I guess - traffic is steady, predictable & relatively slow - plus good cycle lane network
probably safer to blast this in-car if we're talking countryside A & B roads though
I live in the sticks(ish), so lots of narrow country roads. Need to be able to anticipate what traffic behind and in front of me are doing.
Used to listen to stuff like yours (and Holy Fuck was high up there) though when mountain biking, but as it's broken, I can't.
Disappointed and intrigued in equal measure. Will check this out soon.
But these aren't proper songs with proper emotions and I'm not here to give any scene a kick up the arse
A couple of my younger colleagues played a long electronic freeform tronica style track of yours in the staff room on Friday. I listened to it keenly. Very good!
But it's very amusing
*Is Body_In_The_Thames killing music?* and he'll be all over it.
I liked it btw, though wasnlt actually that sure about the Bowie cover, but that is more down to not liking the original either.
the Bowie Cover is quite different to the original but it in any case just for fun
glad you liked the main feature at least
Sean doesn't give opinions on the board for fear of some Peppermint Ape quoting him to put some spin on their dodgy press release
or some bollocks like that
I really enjoyed this.
Can I remix it? ;)
Where should I send the stems?
If I ran off some stems I wonder if anyone would be interested in remixing it?
I already have a zip of the Malawi Moonbase stems
PM me your email and I'll stem you up
which is nice
but I seems it didn't get added to the Freshnet listening post
I've upoaded the stems to Malawi Moonbase;
to my dropbox and I've bounced down the stems to
ready to upload and put in there too
anyone fancy it?
Can't believe I didn't listen to this before now. The pacing and the control - very impressive. Might have to get in on some remix action once I have a minute.
it's a good feeling to be told you're awesome
PM me your email and I'll stem you
most successful JAG of all time?
in the 30 days since I posted this thread around 600 visits to my bandcamp have come directly from it - which is about half
interestingly 50 visits came directly from here http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4414902
anyone else want in?
Can you link me?
Downloading now, going to have some fun with this.
you should have seen it before I converted it from 24bit wavs to 320mp3s
Starting off with the bass. By the way there is a little buzz that I am having difficulty getting rid of on one of the bass tracks. Going to bring a few drum samples into drum rack now and mess with them. This is going to take an age, not used to this many tracks to work with but will be fun.
expect some buzz
Hopefully by next weekend I'll have something.
I hope it's been fun and that I labelled everything correctly and all that
look forward to hearing something
any news guys?
Thank you, BITS
that abbreviation makes no sense. sorry.
I'll allow it :)
It is not very good and doesn't really go anywhere. Do you want it in wav via email or what?
very curious to hear it
I will post you a mediafire link, have it uploaded to soundcloud anyway. http://soundcloud.com/skellywager/body-in-the-thames-i
Everything is being shitty on this connection I'm afraid. You might have to make do with the mp3 on soundcloud.
but it's alright, I mean, it's got potential
cheers for making the effort. Hope you had fun with it.
never done a remix before but think it's going interesting places. Perhaps.
I'm listening on headphones and having a party-for-one. It reminds me of this 'Death From Abroad' Nobody Knows Anything compilation I got a while ago - which was full-on analoguey Scandinavian cosmic-disco jams - also reminciscent of Lindstrom / Diskjokke and those other Smalltown Supersound guys
Anyway, yeh completely love it. Will be buying it later
How's things going with your band?
played a gig with 'wave machines' last week which was really cool, need to do a bit of promoting and so forth