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Slobberbone and Whiskeytown
possibly adding Man is the Bastard too
infest and crossed out are up there for me too
Maybe Supression also, they blew my mind when I first heard them.
(but all the above too....far too many to mention)
John Lee Hooker
The Peppermint Apes
My Bloody Valentine
Others: Lush, Ride, M83, Galaxie 500, Curve (early work), Chapterhouse, Catherine Wheel, School of Seven Bells, etc.
Very good bands.
good glad we agree
...then felt Slowdive followed the shoegaze sound for longer than Curve (who I prefer to Slowdive in any case).
...they're not quite shoegaze. The vocals are clearer, they have an industrial music influence, they changed their style after 1992 to a more electronic sound.
There is proof of this!
It should be:
The Soup Dragons
Ampere, cuz killingsworth knows his shit
The Stone Roses
What can I do against ignorance? ;)
Or rather, only ever known as Baggy.
"Madchester was a music scene that developed in Manchester," it's not a fucking genre.
See the last part on the page: Categories: Alternative rock genres | Madchester | etc.
See also this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Alternative_rock_genres
Look also on the right panel at Fusion genres: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_rock Do you see Madchester here?
Also on Allmusic (the biggest music site), here's a section about Madchester: http://www.allmusic.com/style/madchester-ma0000005017
It was a scene but also a genre (just like shoegazing for example).
New Order, The Stone Roses, Happy Mondays, Inspiral Carpets, Northside, 808 State, James, The Charlatans, The Fall, A Guy Called Gerald are all the same genre?
As these are the bands listed at the top of your beloved wikipedia pag.
as you know anyone can change it. thanks for pointing these mistakes out to us
Tony! Toni! Toné!
Van Der Graaf Generator
You trippin' bro.
Wu-Tang is for the children.
as much as I love Beasties
I mean, that many classic records from that many different members of just one group. BLOODY HELL
Less Than Jake
Mighty Mighty Bosstones
Green Day (pre-2000)
so much better than both
Butthole Surfers & The Jesus Lizard for me
Universal Studios Florida
[caveat 1: I bloody love Neu! as well]
[caveat 2: I realise that komisch is probably a better description of the genre]
Krautrock is fine. Kosmiche refers to the later synth heavy ambient stuff, from bands like Ash Ra Temple, Popul Vuh, Tangerine Dream. Kraftwerk and Can were never Kosmiche....and are Kraftwerk a kraut rock band? They are more an electronic band, no rock.
Late night pedantry. Sorry.
but then it's a bit of a crappy exonymic term anyway. I suppose if you define it as "English rock journos generic term for German music from the 70s", which is in some ways legitimate, then it's ok.... meh.
And don't forget their trippy early years:
...both Kraftwerk and Can were certaonly lumped in with kosmische at the time for whatever reasons. And latterly with krautrock. Whether the labels are accurate or not, these are the bands that people with associate with that genre...
German Oak should get a mention too... even if it's just a mention
I'm like to see your workings on this judgement. Regis set the blueprint for modern techno and plastikman pretty much invented minimal, one of the biggest scenes of the last decade. Yeah orbital and underworld are amazing but they didn't really have a big effect on the real scene. They were more products of techno, rather than pioneers.
"...but they didn't really have a big effect on the real scene".
This is wrong. Orbital & Underworld had a huge influence on the real scene. Their music is still listened and appreciated. Count also their legendary gigs, music in soundtracks, how many great albums they released, memorable songs, and you'll see their importance. Rick Smith from UW with Danny Boyle also were the DJs for Olympics Opening Ceremony soundtrack.
Regis & Plastikman may have their importance in the history of techno but are they really the best? Also I must point out that even if you called them pioneers, Regis & Plastikman were influenced A LOT by Kraftwerk.
1. Actually I never heard of Regis and I listen to electronic music for a long time.
2. Minimal techno is not known as a very exciting subgenre of electronic music. In fact most minimal techno is boring as fuck.
3. You said that Regis & Plastikman are the best in techno. Name please their best songs. I will compare them with the best O & UW songs.
not saying they aint good, I just think its a stretch to call them techno. They're not tracky or clubby enough to be techno.
Notice the first genre mentioned.
Regis was no only foundational in the Birmingham scene of the late 90s, but was part of Sandwell District, which has a case for being the most influential techno label of the 00s. You can't judge Regis song by song, but more as a whole body of work. Creating an aesthetic for himself and developing it over years. For his solo work check out Yhe Complete Works. And do his work as Sandwell district, the album feed-forward is the best place to start.
And saying minimal is boring is totally subjective. Its hypnotic an eat works as part of a set, slowly building and twisting and turning in on itself. Whether you ind it Boeing or not, the minimal scene was absolutely massive in the 00s. Hawtin, Robert Hopd, Kenny Larkin and some Carl Craig, especially as paper clip people, we're early pioneers. Along with Akufen, Villalobps and the pelo
They pretty much soundtrack early and mid 00s electronic music. But of course this is massively simplifying things.
They're are plenty of techno artists more influential than Orbital and underworld. The Belleville three, surgeon, Luke slater, the Berghain residents and lots of others icant think of right now. Orbital and underworld are some of the most well known techno artists, but they're not the greatest or most influential by far.
I've noticed with you, that you have a really awesome knowledge of 90s electronic music, but really lacking in the past decade the the 80s, not really knowing the history. Which isn't a bad thing at all! You have impeccable taste in tehe cream of 90s musicians. I just think you need to broaden your knowledge a bit when you're discussing stuff like this
Knowledge of the past decade and the 80s*
Judging by the multitude of links to wikipedia.
"And saying minimal is boring is totally subjective. Its hypnotic an eat works as part of a set, slowly building and twisting and turning in on itself. "
Well, I said most of minimal techno. There are of course some good artists.
I also enjoy listening to some well crafted minimalistic music (Kraftwerk, The Field, Biosphere etc). I don't say that anything minimal is crap by default.
Also I see that Regis released his first album & single in 1996. In 1996 Underworld & Orbital were already established artists with few albums already released. I guess Regis is not quite a pioneer... You could replace him with Juan Atkins (widely credited as the originator of techno music).
They're more bigbeat. I think most here might agree.
Plus you're whole 'they were there first' argument is a non starter... None of these guys invented their brand of music, they refined it and reshaped its path though. If you were gonna say someone like Robert Hood or Underground Resistance or any of the Detroit set, you'd have a case for saying they should be there instead of Regis. Still remains that, in terms of 90s techno and the influence he has today there is a big case to call him a hugely influential producer for the genre.
You also desperately need to stop confusing your opinions with facts. Sorry for flipping out at you above but you can be a very frustrating poster to read.
Do you think those who edited the Wikipedia are stupid? A lot of people tried to reach consensus when it comes to music genres. Mark my words: Orbital & Underworld ARE techno. Even if you don't like this.
Read this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno_music
"They're more bigbeat. I think most here might agree."
Really? Big Beat are The Chemical Brothers, The Crystal Method, Fatboy Slim, Propellerheads, The Prodigy etc.
Again, do your homework: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Beat
Facts, not "I heard that x is y".
"...but you can be a very frustrating poster to read."
Where to start...
Do you think those who edited the Wikipedia are stupid?
Do your homework = read wikipedia = facts, not hearsay.
I must add: honestly I don't care (too much) who invented techno. I'm interested who did it better. And the music made by Orbital & Underworld speak for itself. There are few other techno artists that had the complexity and rich textures of these 2 bands. Want examples?
so how can you say?
Also up there you claim it's more important who came first - 'Also I see that Regis released his first album & single in 1996. In 1996 Underworld & Orbital were already established artists with few albums already released'. So apparently you do care who invented it.
You're contradicting yourself. You're a nice guy, I'm sure, but don't pretend to be an expert using wikipedia. I'm cool if you think Underworld and Orbital are the best techno artists. Just don't expect me to agree.
I appreciate that english maybe isn't your first language, but your tone is incredibly truculent. Notice up here how many people are so polite even when they disagree. You just come in like a bull in a china shop and start throwing your weight around.
"So apparently you do care who invented it."
That was a reply to the fact that Regis was a pioneer of techno music (or whatever). I still don't care (too much) who invented it.
"Just don't expect me to agree."
We agree to disagree.
PS: English is not my first language.
but you know fuck all about techno
didn't mean to flip out. I am not an expert. Nor do I claim to be on every single thread or genre. Like you apparently do.
But please do think a little about how you phrase your arguments. We're a music forum. We like to discuss, we have different styles. We're not all experts on everything. We sit here and we read, and we absorb and we learn a little rather than ramming our arguments down other people's throats 24/7
I'm also going to end this.
I'M GOING TO END THIS
You're all cunts
I'm excluded. You blisters - included.
JJ Brine and Gazelle Twin
Mater Suspiria Vision
they have fantastic moments, but also a lot of really, really dull ones. F#A# is so, so overrated.
As for Mogwai, fantastic early work, not so good since then (although i like some songs on the latest one)
Not sure i really like post-rock being thought of as a specific genre anyway. Probably the wankiest name of any genre ever. But i suppose of the bands labelled post-rock over time, i'd have to say sigur ros and 65daysofstatic are my favourite.
Godspeed - 3 albums and 1 Ep of insanely high quality.
Mogwai - 2 exceptional albums, yes maybe tailed off over time, but an average mogwai album is a damn sight better than most band's good albums.
Your point about mogwai can easily relate to sigur ros as well.
Horses for courses and all that.
Bob Marley & The Wailers (of course)
Sly and Robbie
but could also make very strong cases for Lee Scratch Perry, U-Roy and Bunny Lee. And if you include dub in your definition of reggae, you would have to include King Tubby over Sly and Robbie
Waiting for someone to drop the WHERE IS BURIAL line.
This might have needed a safety wink.
Very obvious choices, but...
Mala has to be there really but I dunno who else I'd pick.
Burial doesn't realy sound like any other dubstep he's just Burial, neither does Shackleton I guess but more so than Burial does they've always been right on the fringe of things while Mala pretty much is dubstep or was until he got pushed more to the fringes more recently. But then everyone else I think of is on the fringe of things too like Peverelist or whatever.
Underwater Dancehall is definitely a genre touchstone
were my #3
is fucking AWFUL!
Black Seeds of Vengeance on the other hand....
Immortal or Emperor instead of Darkthrone.
They both have a few awesome tracks though, undeniably.
Between second wave and now that was too hard for me to think about
spot on second wave
instead of Liturgy.
Krallice, dude. Leviathan, Xasthur...
are better than Krallice. Krallice tracks are too long and uneventful, I get bored. Aesthetica achieves what Krallice fails to, in my opinion.
Leviathan and Xasthur are too inconsistent - amazing stuff diluted. Doesn't necessarily mean they can't carry a genre banner though but.....The last few Xasthur albums were really dull, I fell out of love with that sound.
Should do a One Man Black Metal Band genre
There are plenty more artists I'd have over those two:
Blut Aus Nord
Wolves in the Throne Room
blah de blah. I'm going outside into The SUN!
Just listen how great this single is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obv477QfDI0
(some would prefer Led Zeppelin)
and it probably seems pretty churlish not to pick Nirvana. Just think Mudhoney were the best band to come out of that whole Seattle scene.
Also saw Tad live as a kid in 1990. Reckon I've seen between two and three hundred bands since. Not one of them has come close to being better
The Future Sound of London
though maybe more dub techno, those two. genres are quite silly, really.
Abd FSOL are pretty much unclassifiable, although I would be leaning towards trance and house. Both seriously dope artists anyway. Like said above, genres are silly
but this thread has reminded how I don't really like 'genres' that much
they're just handy for talking about music, init
Church of Misery
(of course there are many options here)
You would choose Robyn over Prince or Madonna?
Prince or Madonna are also talented.
I think that's spot-on. An album that can really change the way you think about music.
I <3 Wire.
Gang of Four
The Durutti Column
Deepspace / Deepspace presents Echospace
you fucking neophyte.
*storms out of thread, slams door, shakes whole thread*
this is http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4413518#r6961053
Is actually only the third most hellish genre ever, after Jazz Funk and Electro Swing. However, it is the most meaningless of all the genres. Beloved by fans of Morcheeba and Faithless. Hellish I tell you.
Why didn't you say?!
anyway that's basically downtempo, trip hoppy nonsense. 'world music' was an awful post-colonial blanket term given to all music that wasn't of western origin. so that includes all african music, indian music, south american music, japanese, chinese etc etc etc
almost as much as "Minimal techno is not known as a very exciting subgenre of electronic music"
You're boring, by the way. Everytime I see your comments it seems that you try to act like some kind of expert in music. You're not.
That's me shown then
you told us you were an expert
... my sentences are true!!
this is a ridiculous thing to say.
can you please tell me which 'various places' Enigma get their influences from?
i give up
In this case I give up too.
you mean western music fused with influences from non western music, pioneered by people like jon hassell with his fourth world concept. but that is not what 'world music' is. world music is defined as all non western music. which as i said above, is a horribly arrogant, post-colonial term and should be abandoned.
it's like describing all blues, jazz, rock, classical, electronic as 'non-world' music because it all originates from places that 'world' music doesn't cover.
your definition of what 'world' music actually is is incredibly wrong
if you had said in your original 'world music' post, people like fela kuti, king juju, toru takimitsu, ravi shanker, buena vista social club or countless others or make non world music, you would of fallen into the trap but would at least of got your definitions right.
at best, what you've described is world fusion music. and i swear to fucking god if you post another wikipedia link
there's so many better people than the shit you posted. jon hassell, stephan micus, david byrne & brian eno, dead can dance, peter gabriel in his soundtrack for passion (an incredible album which you'd love), jah wobble's consitently brillianty career and so many others
It's just a load of electronic stuff that critics thought was too clever to be rave. Wtf.
i've always loved the term IDM because it implies there's stupid dance music, which sounds like something i'd love
than fucking "world music".
Are there really any others?
The industrial I am thinking of. Cold Spring records things, not Skinny Puppy stripy tights rock.
Someone think of the genre that would be:
But still industrial
And you can't tell the difference? Listen to some early Cabaret Voltaire, Coil, Nurse with wound, early current 93. That industrial
The most notable hybrid genres were industrial rock and industrial metal, which include bands such as Nine Inch Nails and Ministry, both of which released platinum-selling albums in the 1990s. Electro-industrial music is a more recent development. These three genres are often referred to as simply industrial.
That was a quote from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_music
Stop linking to Wikipedia
they're amazing, but I always see them as existing in their own kind of world
I don't care
but I'd put Nocturnal Emissions streets ahead of Neubauten. Nigel Ayers' early albums perfectly captured the sense of fear & alienation that the best industrial music evoked, have a listen to The Fruiting Body LP and tell me that's not the best thing TG never recorded.
I always found Neubauten a bit theatrical, all the heavy machinery & stage destruction seemed too obvious a take on "industrial" (and even then, SPK did it better).
Birchville Cat Motel
Tbh we should just put Matthew Bower fullstop. One man genre. Skullflower, Sunroof!, Hototogisu....
Personally would replace Birchville with Burning Star Core but that's just me, I like violas.
and realised it should be just:
...then maybe. As it is, they turned a bit shit.
they're pretty much a dance band
June of 44
Feel bad for not mentioning Oxes or Don Cab, but there ya go
Luna & Mazzy Star
Obvious choices are obvious I know but in a really crowded genre for quality they smashed it completely
but what about
but unfortunately his later work doesn't match up with Portishead's, or even Massive Attacks to be honest
...and don't return.
Are you 12?
Interesting. It's an episode from Pingu and I don't know yet?
Richard Cheese and Lounge Against the Machine
Seven Minutes of Nausea
The Gero noisecore records of course
uah i don't even know tho. I'd have said Sore Throat but maybe that's grindcore in the original looser sense of the genre... Or WORLD...
Princess Army Wedding Combat
Stoner rock owes more to grunge than metal.
but then it's biggest debt is to sabbath..........
I always thought as doom as more miserable than Sleep, and as such think of them as stoner doom!
stoner rock stoner doom stoner grind sludge whatever..it all comes from folks smoking too many fat biffs and listening to sabbath and zz top all day...........tis all good!