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reckon it could have been done out of complete cluelessness, seminal punk t-shirts seem to be all the rage, think I saw a guy from made in chelsea with a Dead Kennedys one on t4 the other week. he probably thought digging out a less obvious band would make him look cool
Or he likes the band
Possible but unlikely
Because he's from Chelsea?
Don't be such a fucking snob.
Are we talking about the made in Chelsea guy or plan b? I think it would be hard to deny that the fashionable appropriation is a thing, and most that buy shirts like that for fashion don't have an actual appreciation of the bands on their shirts, and given the public personas of these two people it is more likely they wore them for fashion rather than appreciation, could be wrong just think that is the most likely
ha - I went to Uni with his stylist
I obviously have no idea whether she styled him for this or not, but if it was her I wouldn't be shocked, she would have no clue who Skrewdriver were.
I suppose the more pertinent question is where did the t-shirt come from? It doesn't look very old, which suggests somewhere is still making them - presumably it's more likely to be like that thing where topman or somebody accidentally printed Russian white power slogans on stuff than the bought it from, you know, THE FASCIST SHOP, but still, not really a great thing to be manufacturing...
plan b = the final solution?
he does look pretty dapper, mind
Plan Zyklon B
:D
He or his stylist probably had no idea it was a (racist) band t shirt
Is it actually a Skrewdriver band t-shirt?
Some folks are saying it's a reproduction of a photo by Gavin Watson who is regarded for his skinhead photos > http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/gallery/2008/nov/03/skins-punks-gavin-watson < if that's the case then I don't think it's worth a fuss.
its not worth a fuss either way
what a non-story
Mark Radcliffe from the radio used to be in Skrewdriver before they were racist!
FASCINATING FACT
oh it's in the comments at the bottom of the article
honestly got it from my brain.
his reasons for wearing it
http://thequietus.com/articles/09423-plan-b-apology-for-skrewdriver-t-shirt-misunderstanding
That's fair enough.
Genuine mistake.
Bwahahahahahahaha
There will be further comment on The Quietus tomorrow about the dangers musicians face when using pop cultural imagery and slogans as promotional tools, without carrying out the requisite research first.
I'd rather an article on the dangers jounros face when not carrying out standard research first
like getting a comment from your subject before going ''ONG racist!'' at them.
And the lame ''we're not saying he's racist but...'' disclaimer saves nothing.
Currently, for me, it reads "Sorry"
"An error has occurred"
Bwahahahahahahaha.
it's just embarrassing
like when Tim Lovejoy was wearing a Ramones t shirt and couldn't name an album
Find me a time when Tim Lovejoy wasn't embarrassing.
LAD
To be fair, the chorus to this tribute song for Ian Stuart (of Skrewdriver) is pretty catchy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdUH7NsICoU&feature=related
Whilst i'm aware they're all racist bastards, it's actually quite a nice tribute from a group of people to a friend and someone that they admired.
Skrewdriver's music was always shit, mind.
Although I do quite like the name for a band.
white power is a really catchy song
however there's no point listening to skrewdriver seeing as there are loads of bands who do the same thing without racist lyrics and aren't a bunch of arseholes
Te he, that should get 'em hot under the collar, CG!
;-P
Indeed. I remember he hated watching Odd Future niggering around.
that's not what he said
/They piled in, niggering everything in sight/
From a source you can trust: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/aug/10/steve-albini-odd-future
exactly
not what he said.
way to deliberately mis-interpret something
you should be a journalist.
Thought you were talking shit
Googled and found that Lars from Rancid covered a Skrewdriver song.
I...I don't know what to think about that. Disa-fucking-pointed, to start with.
oh my god are you literally 87 years old
No, that was Elvis
<dies of boredom>
Oh, give over
There's always some twat sticking up for Burzum whenever they get mentioned
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC INT IT
What exactly are the 'dangers' of a pop star unwittingly wearing a Skrewdriver t-shirt
in a photoshoot seen by about 500,000 people who don't know who Skrewdriver are?
Praising Tim Roth's acting though ... Fucking monster.
well, I guess
1) the idea it could be taken as/portrayed as an act of endorsement by the far right.
2) the wearing of far right regalia as a quick hit of 'edge' - which is what this looked liked, but appears not to have been the case - is not something that should be acceptable or normalised in a multicultural (or any) society.
Would anyone reading the article have 'gone fascist' from looking at it? PROBABLY NOT.
That's all fairly obvious
if we're assuming that people have those cultural reference points. They overwhelmingly don't. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Ben Drew feels like a bit of a tit about it but there is essentially no danger that he'll have been taken as endorsing the far right or will have somehow contributed to the normalisation of questionable attitudes.
Yeah, I'm not particularly defending the article
I'm just saying that those are the reasons why it would be deemed 'bad' to wear a Skrewdriver t-shirt. I dunno, it wasn't a Skrewdriver t-shirt per se, it turns out, so it's a bit hypothetical really...
But what I meant by endorsing the far right is that people on the far right could disingenuously say (probably just to themselves) 'oh look, this popular guy is wearing a Skrewdriver t-shirt, yay us', I don't mean loads of Shortlist readers/Plan B fans are going t go 'a-ha! A Skrewdriver t-shirt.
The thing is though both 1) and 2) significantly miss the criteria of Occam's Razor.
The most obvious and probable explanation all along was that Plan B didn't know Skrewdriver's reputation. It only 'looked like' 2) to people who wanted it look like 2) to have material for a news story and 1) would have been deeply improbable given the context of who was wearing it (i.e someone who's not exactly known for a desire to affiliate with the far right and who, for commercial reasons, wouldn't be likely to do it even if he secretly harboured far-right views (which is itself a leap).
When you factor in the fact that you can't actually see what the t-shirt says and that anyone who didn't know who Skrewdriver were (and probably several who did) wouldn't know what the full name is on the band t-shirt.
The basis for this 'news' story seems to be
a) Plan B has possibly been a bit stupid in wearing a t-shirt for a band without checking the band out first.
b) The person who wrote the article has made a random decision that the t-shirt bears a picture of somebody it doesn't actually bear a picture of - why haven't the Quietus clarified that on this article now btw?
c) The person who wrote the article seems to lack the ability to distinguish between someone praising someone's acting in a film about skinheads and someone praising skinheads.
To be honest, the writer for the Quietus comes out of this looking a much bigger chump than Plan B does.
It is probably pre-Nazi Skrewdriver
still a shite band though.
why wont this talentless no-hoper just fuck off?
That's it, internet warrior! You strike him down with all your might!
Silence
Portillo-lips
Why bring your mother's vagina into this?
bit personal there
Cod-face.
This was the biggest shower of shit story I ever recall reading on the internet
man.
Remember when Morrissey had a Union Jack (sic) ?
Morrissey is not racist.
Remember when the NME did a special 16 page 'Is Morrissey racist?' poster pullout edition?
Remember recently when Morrissey took them to court over it and won?
I think you're missing my point
That the NME should decide who is and is not racist?
that journalists in pursuit of a story sometimes see things that aren't there
or exaggerate details to the point of pomposity and preposterousness
the Chinese are a sub-species
Are they?
I do enjoy our little chats
here - blubberlips
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/sep/03/morrissey-china-subspecies-racism
Can a fact be racist?
was Hitler a nogoodnik?
Here' s hoping
He turns up in a Blaggers ITA tshirt at some point, they had some problems with mixed messages as well...
Had an attack of the Morrisseys.
I'm gonna use that for when people make too many threads about the Irish.
On the NME article there's this FB comment
"I'm far more offended by the claim that Plan B is making a stand against anything."
and someone responded with:
"Where is Richey Edwards when we need a stand?"
LOLZ.
My new band name is Plan B Racist T Shirt.
^£5/£4 NUS, Dublin Castle,
Plan B Racist T Shirt
Dedicated Follower of Fascism
Turn of the Skrew
Cheers.
^ This for Dedicated Follower of Fascism
The worst thing about this guy
is the poster for his shit film, which was something like:
Plan B presents - ILL MANORS, a Ben Drew film
Make your fucking mind up, Plan Drew.
Isn't Plan B his music / Producing moniker
and Ben Drew his acting one?
Also, I made a point on our company fb about ill manor's supposedly wonderful arrangement
being thoroughly fucking ripped off another artist and had a couple of fans email me angrily, one of whom said they'd shoot me in the face. that was awesome.
I think his music is shite and that he really has very little to say...
especially about last August's shopping riots. The desperate attempts to convince everyone of how working class he is are laughable too and I think that's how this whole incident came about...
He's into the whole imagery of skinheads, they go well with his current angry proletarian youth against society schtick, prints out some images into t-shirts, think he looks all tough and that.....DISASTER!
But, I don't believe for a minute that he is a racist and I do hate those utterly ghastly self-declared 'anti-racist' types who think they have the right to act like some kind of right-on witchfinder general.
That the skinheads latched onto Punk
was a credit to their braindead thuggery definitely. Punk at the time was as much about white middle classes being exposed to the Jah Shakka Sound System as it was about safety pins and bin bags, the skins tried to appropriate punk music for themselves and ended up with racist pub rock. Well done them.
I'm happy to write this t-shirt non-event down to ignorance on Mr B's part, but I'm so lucky to have so many other things to sneer at him for (the change of "character" from embarrasingly sincere urban acoustic rapper to slick suit wearing crooner was especially excrutiating).
A skin head is a type of hair style isn't it?
Didn't people that listened to northern soul in the late 60's early 70's have skin heads?
What I'm trying to say is: I don't think that the skin heads that listen to racist skin head music, are an evolved version of the skin heads that used to listen to Northern Soul..?
Forgive me if you were joking.