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p4k gives Channel Orange a 9.5

fuckyeahdubstep [Edit] [Delete] 91 replies 09:51 July 12th, 2012

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/16859-channel-orange/

anyone have any opinions on this?

is it because he's gay?
is it because he's not english?

etc etc

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Is it because he's not English? Wtf?

http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4357933

badmanreturns | 12 Jul '12, 09:53 | X | ^ This | Reply
- I do believe he is not English
  
  fiddygent @badmanreturns | 12 Jul '12, 09:56 | X | ^ This | Reply
first off, is it any good?

second, when are you people gonna stop deifying pitchfork? in the end you're gonna find out they're shit just like spin or rolling stone. WHO CARES what they say?

theintl | 12 Jul '12, 10:02 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Deifying Pitchfork?
  
  There's about eight threads a week on here discussing why Pitchfork is so shit.
  
  automatik @theintl | 12 Jul '12, 19:40 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  no-class this'd this
  - Ever since it became a faux pas to endlessly post about how great Radiohead are
    
    Pitchfork slanging has emerged as the thread du jour.
    
    littlebirds @automatik | 12 Jul '12, 19:44 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - ooh
      
      that reminds me, must make a radiohead thread soon!
      
      Jordan_229_2 @littlebirds | 12 Jul '12, 20:14 | X | ^ This | Reply
      
      no-class this'd this
      - a Radiothread
        
        no-class @Jordan_229_2 | 12 Jul '12, 20:17 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        scomatsho and SCROTUM this'd this
I wonder what Tyler had been up to since The Voice finsihed...

vamos | 12 Jul '12, 10:13 | X | ^ This | Reply
it's because he's at the crest of his cultural significance

douchebag | 12 Jul '12, 10:28 | X | ^ This | Reply

navajo this'd this
- and "relevence"
  
  revgreen @douchebag | 12 Jul '12, 18:46 | X | ^ This | Reply
Ryan Dombal gives Channel Orange a 9.5*

Yesiamaduck | 12 Jul '12, 10:39 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Uh, no, Ryan Dombal wrote the review
  
  9.5 was awarded as the average score gathered from Pitchfork Editors. So saying that Pitchfork gave it a 9.5 still stands.
  
  Antelope @Yesiamaduck | 12 Jul '12, 10:41 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - umm....I'm really not sure that is the case
    
    according to ex-Pitchfork writers who I board with away from DiS
    
    SCROTUM @Antelope | 12 Jul '12, 11:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - Bording (sic) with Pitchfork writers
      
      sounds like a hoot.
      
      wonton @SCROTUM | 12 Jul '12, 11:41 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - There was an article about a year ago (can't be fucked finding it)
      
      discussed on here, and major albums have an agreed editorial score. The niche stuff (metal, electronic, etc) is a bit freer for the reviewer in question to score, though it often won't get BNM even with a high score in those cases.
      
      Could have changed since then, though I doubt it given the really predictable link between coverage and review scores on pitchfork.
      
      WhiteLightWhiteCity @SCROTUM | 12 Jul '12, 13:25 | X | ^ This | Reply
      
      Antelope, revgreen, and no-class this'd this
    - * stalk
      
      no-class @SCROTUM | 12 Jul '12, 18:59 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Yeah
  
  Interestingly (lol!), for BNM scores the editors pick a score and get someone to write a review that toes the line.
  
  And if you don't know, now you know.
  
  littlebirds @Yesiamaduck | 12 Jul '12, 10:45 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - Learn something new every day
    
    thanks
    
    Yesiamaduck @littlebirds | 12 Jul '12, 10:47 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - lol
    
    thephotobooth @littlebirds | 12 Jul '12, 14:28 | X | ^ This | Reply
wow

SCROTUM | 12 Jul '12, 10:51 | X | ^ This | Reply
also @Shipment: told ya dude

SCROTUM | 12 Jul '12, 10:52 | X | ^ This | Reply
- You little rascal, you
  
  theShipment @SCROTUM | 12 Jul '12, 16:27 | X | ^ This | Reply
so I guess they're going with the 'Channel Orange = new Voodoo' argument right?

SCROTUM | 12 Jul '12, 11:07 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Whoa
  
  Blasphemy.
  
  They're gonna have to break the scale when D'Angelo finally drops a new record.
  
  littlebirds @SCROTUM | 12 Jul '12, 11:10 | X | ^ This | Reply
Need more rhetorical question in the OP to be hipster runoff

WhiteLightWhiteCity | 12 Jul '12, 11:11 | X | ^ This | Reply
If this got 9.5

Imagine what the new Against Me! album will get?

AMMIRITE?

littlebirds | 12 Jul '12, 11:15 | X | ^ This | Reply

theShipment this'd this
...is it because it's a great album?

HEAVEN FOR-FUCKING-FEND

GetOffMyLawn | 12 Jul '12, 11:45 | X | ^ This | Reply
this is genuinely one of the worst reviews i've read on pitchfork

only about two and a half paragraphs talks about the music on the album. the rest is just its cultural context.
typical pitchfork, being unable to properly justify why they gave an album an exceptionally high score.

PigOnAntibiotics | 12 Jul '12, 11:47 | X | ^ This | Reply

fictionfighter this'd this
- I agree
  
  I have no qualms whatsoever with the score - I haven't heard the record yet but it's not farfetched to think it might be brilliant - but the review really looks like an op-ed on the significance of his sexuality and place in modern r'n'b rather than a dissection of what makes Channel Orange truly exceptional
  
  Poor form.
  
  SCROTUM @PigOnAntibiotics | 12 Jul '12, 11:50 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - I think it's because p4k don't really have an outlet for thought pieces/articles
    
    They have designated columns on certain genres and their 'Rising/Interview/10-15-20' etc. features, but no place for anyone to just go 'hey this is interesting this is what I think about something going on in music'. Therefore their reviews (like this one) can end up being a bit of a scramble to show how much you understand and cram in as many thoughts as possible on an artist just to show they're not discussing the music out of context. Bit of a shame really.
    
    badmanreturns @SCROTUM | 12 Jul '12, 12:07 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    Tiresias42, SCROTUM, wonton, littlebirds, Backbone, and JaguarPirate this'd this
  - what makes Channel Orange "truly exceptional"?
    
    GabrielGuerra @SCROTUM | 12 Jul '12, 20:39 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - if you'd actually read my post you may have noticed I hadn't listened to it
      
      but judging that they gave it 9.5, clearly SOMEONE thinks it's truly exceptional
      
      SCROTUM @GabrielGuerra | 13 Jul '12, 00:41 | X | ^ This | Reply
      
      cronenberg this'd this
      - sorry, i don't want to create any problems
        
        but i think that a review which presents a lot of "cultural context" and "looks like an op-ed on the significance of his sexuality and place in modern r'n'b" can already explain what is "truly exceptional" in this album for the writer and staff. I do agree with badmanreturns that "highly-contextual" writing (highly contextual) should be reserved to pieces/articles and not reviews, but increasing the number of this kind of pieces/articles wouldn't just turn this very long reviews (like the frank ocean one) into-very few paragraphs text? I don't really believe that p4k would like to do that
        
        GabrielGuerra @SCROTUM | 15 Jul '12, 00:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Aye was reading it and thinking
  
  Come on Pitchfork, I sometimes defend you and you reward me with this?
  
  Tiresias42 @PigOnAntibiotics | 12 Jul '12, 12:20 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  SCROTUM and thedamnedear this'd this
- A few years of genuinely informative, thoughtful reviews
  
  will be undone by this once everyone has read it. And they probably will very soon.
  
  wonton @PigOnAntibiotics | 12 Jul '12, 12:23 | X | ^ This | Reply
Nice to see the mighty Gobbers in the taglist.

I saw them on Easter Sunday in Bristol with Church of Misery supporting. My gig of the year so far. Thanks.

(Also, does anyone remember a band called Orange from the britpop era? They had a single called 'Judy Over The Rainbow' (or was it Julie) much played by Mark or Lard, as I recall).

basil | 12 Jul '12, 12:35 | X | ^ This | Reply
- I saw a band
  
  Called orange supporting Bon jovi (shaming I know but I was dragged along by the mrs haha) in Manchester around 1995, I have no recollection of what they sounded like however I just remember they had matching orange coats haha
  
  fistyness @basil | 12 Jul '12, 18:31 | X | ^ This | Reply
Best tag:

White Boys For Gay Jesus.

Well done whoever that was.

moshymoshy | 12 Jul '12, 12:47 | X | ^ This | Reply

drcoffeebean this'd this
- I swear one of Vessels was in that band?!
  
  badmanreturns @moshymoshy | 12 Jul '12, 13:52 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - my mate was the singer
    
    cheers
    
    TheKennedyCurse @badmanreturns | 15 Jul '12, 13:03 | X | ^ This | Reply
they were always going to go one way or the other on this record, given the recent publicity.

you can romanticise creative writing all you like, but publicity's publicity, and Pitchfork (a company) were always going to get theirs on the back of his.

forzaborza | 12 Jul '12, 12:57 | X | ^ This | Reply
Why Pitchfork is so popular?

They have crap reviews anyway. Also any album rating with decimal is bullshit. What's the difference between a 7.1 and 7.2 for example? A better lyric, a better bassline for a song, 10 seconds more of genius music?

deep-blue | 12 Jul '12, 13:37 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Because
  
  Their news is reliable
  Their reviews aren't that bad largely
  They get a lot of live videos / premieres etc
  They run quite a lot of very decent articles and features (not enough though, way too much emphasis on reviews and lists for my liking)
  
  on the other side, yes the scoring is silly, but that's because all scoring is silly. I suspect though if they were rid of it they'd fear impacting sales of their favourite artists (think pitchfork do drive quite a lot of sales actually?)
  
  Tiresias42 @deep-blue | 12 Jul '12, 13:40 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  JaguarPirate this'd this
  - I agree their news section is the best thing about Pitchfork.
    
    deep-blue @Tiresias42 | 12 Jul '12, 21:10 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - The worst on reviews is NME. Abysmal reviews...
      
      deep-blue @deep-blue | 13 Jul '12, 00:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - I don't agree about the scoring being silly...
    
    "What's the difference between a 7.1 and 7.2 for example?" The difference is that a 7.2 is higher. It's not some scientific formula, they're ranking albums. You can do that on a standard 5 star (or DiS 10 point) scale, but then you end up with huge swathes of undifferentiated albums. Pitchfork's 100 point scale (ignore the decimal point if it puts you off, it's immaterial) gives them scope to create a substantial hierarchy.
    
    That for me is a huge part of the appeal. I'm sorry, but I don't love album reviews and I certainly don't think them less silly or more objective than a score. I just want someone to filter the enormous amount of music available and to give me a fairly specific gauge of quality. Of course, I often disagree with Pitchfork but, honestly, less often than with almost anyone else (I do, for example, think the 9.5 is a wrong and deeply 'politicised' rating). And I can always read the review to get the rationale or context for the rating.
    
    grrrama @Tiresias42 | 13 Jul '12, 05:43 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - thanks for the info mrs pitchfork
    
    theintl @Tiresias42 | 13 Jul '12, 08:07 | X | ^ This | Reply
- It isn't.
  
  It's a niche website with a relatively small readership.
  
  forzaborza @deep-blue | 14 Jul '12, 11:34 | X | ^ This | Reply
Well I suppose discussion of the album

has now well and truly been taken over with discussion of a review of the album...

Tiresias42 | 12 Jul '12, 13:37 | X | ^ This | Reply

innisj and coolerthantv this'd this
- I like the irony
  
  Of a thread complaining about a review not addressing the music overshadowing the thread that discusses the music.
  
  innisj @Tiresias42 | 12 Jul '12, 14:33 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/12/53/83/84/ani10.gif
    
    drcoffeebean @innisj | 12 Jul '12, 18:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - Nah, we'll get to that bit when we've all heard it.
    
    El_Goodo @innisj | 12 Jul '12, 18:33 | X | ^ This | Reply
- This thread was about the review, check the OP
  
  There is already a thread about the album here http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4357933
  
  fiddygent @Tiresias42 | 12 Jul '12, 19:03 | X | ^ This | Reply
:D

nothing rhymes with orange

no-class | 12 Jul '12, 18:58 | X | ^ This | Reply
- yes there is, 'sporange'
  
  fiddygent @no-class | 12 Jul '12, 19:17 | X | ^ This | Reply
- in nottingham lozenge does
  
  Jordan_229_2 @no-class | 12 Jul '12, 20:10 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - :D
    
    the king of wordplay.
    
    no-class @Jordan_229_2 | 12 Jul '12, 20:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    SCROTUM this'd this
ahgahhh

Pitchfork is interesting and entertaining and makes good videos/pitchfork TV and generally on the ball with good music

Frank Ocean album is really good and a lot of people have been excited about it for a while, myself included.

If you don't think it's 'that' good then congratulations on completing the opinion forming process all by yourself.

NOW Y SO SERIOUS

navajo | 12 Jul '12, 19:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
Not a terrible review at all

automatik | 12 Jul '12, 19:50 | X | ^ This | Reply
Fuck this guy's good.

Thanks for the heads up.

LOLpop | 12 Jul '12, 19:52 | X | ^ This | Reply
lol

Inevitable i guess

Jordan_229_2 | 12 Jul '12, 20:12 | X | ^ This | Reply
LOST is my favourite so far.

LOLpop | 12 Jul '12, 20:20 | X | ^ This | Reply

iizcallum this'd this
- definitly this ^
  
  im surprised it hasn't got more love from all of you.
  
  fappable @LOLpop | 13 Jul '12, 12:57 | X | ^ This | Reply
somtimes it feels like

an album gets huge hype, to the point where sites have to give it a huge mark, just to be seen to not be 'behind' or something...like the labels set the tone and the websites just follow. like pitchfork gave my dark stupid fantasy 9.8 or whatever but once the hype died down most people kind of forgot about that album.

since-last-summer | 13 Jul '12, 00:22 | X | ^ This | Reply
- two things
  
  they gave it a 10.0
  it's still one of the best releases of the past however many years
  
  SCROTUM @since-last-summer | 13 Jul '12, 00:39 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  Antelope, theonlyindiegolfer, Antpocalypsenow, El_Goodo, and WhiteLightWhiteCity this'd this
  - hahahaha.
    
    no-one can genuinely think that.
    
    cheers.
    
    forzaborza @SCROTUM | 13 Jul '12, 13:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    anal_schwarzenegger and JaguarPirate this'd this
    - Best reviewed new album of the last five years
      
      easily
      
      WhiteLightWhiteCity @forzaborza | 15 Jul '12, 12:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
- most people kind of forgot about that album.
  
  show your working. I still put that album on all the time, and friends are constantly requesting it. It's a classic whether you like it or not.
  
  Antelope @since-last-summer | 13 Jul '12, 05:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  theonlyindiegolfer, navajo, and El_Goodo this'd this
  - i'm not saying it's a bad album
    
    or has been totally forgotten, obviously! wasn't being very clear I know.
    
    i'd just be very surprised if popular consensus gives it 'classic' status in years/decades to come. imho it's not a classic album at all, let alone even one of KW's best. it thinks of itself as a 'classic' or a statement album, and pitchfork exist to confirm that stamp.
    
    since-last-summer @Antelope | 13 Jul '12, 16:33 | X | ^ This | Reply
Okay, I give in. I'll listen to it.

I'm not going to understand anything said on the music board for the next six months otherwise.

DanielKelly | 13 Jul '12, 08:20 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Is that ... Is that the old Playstation loading music?
  
  10/10
  
  DanielKelly @DanielKelly | 13 Jul '12, 08:21 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  Antelope, littlebirds, Antpocalypsenow, LOLpop, Verbal, vamos, and coolerthantv this'd this
  - I really like this.
    
    Great. Now I'm one of those people.
    
    DanielKelly @DanielKelly | 13 Jul '12, 11:34 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    Verbal this'd this
I properly lolled when the playstation music came on

it's a very good album. Listened to it at home after badminton yesterday and it was just perfect. So chilled.

Verbal | 13 Jul '12, 11:09 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Also, Pilot Jones and Pyramid are amazing, amazing songs.
  
  Verbal @Verbal | 13 Jul '12, 11:09 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  littlebirds this'd this
  - Pilot Jones is the jam.
    
    littlebirds @Verbal | 13 Jul '12, 11:26 | X | ^ This | Reply
The most annoying thing on P4k

that day was the 'SpaceGhostPurrp discusses ASAP Rocky beef' which was a 5 minute behind the scenes documentary at a concert with a quick question about ASAP at the end which was met with the reply 'nah we're cool'

navajo | 13 Jul '12, 14:51 | X | ^ This | Reply

theonlyindiegolfer this'd this
its on Spotify now

anybody for which that makes a difference...

dacbo | 13 Jul '12, 15:26 | X | ^ This | Reply
I don't understand why everyone behaves that P4k is the only one with

BNM feature? DiS has Recommended and all the other publications also have some sort of distinction for 'the best of the best'. Is P4k's method of choosing the best new music different from the others?

thedamnedear | 13 Jul '12, 17:42 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Pitchfork is most important music reviewing site of the moment.
  
  So it's only natural that their way of designating "the best of the best" would be more popular than that of other websites.
  
  theonlyindiegolfer @thedamnedear | 13 Jul '12, 19:20 | X | ^ This | Reply
they've previously handed 10.0s to best of compilations. says it all really.

Says what exactly? Why is it impossible for a compilation to score a 10.0? A compilation tends to be the 'best of' an artist so... Doesn't that make sense?

Antelope @georgiabeth | 14 Jul '12, 18:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
- SOMEONE DOES NOT AGREE
  
  GET SARCASTIC
  
  revgreen @georgiabeth | 15 Jul '12, 00:46 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - COMMENTS LAST NIGHT WHEN DRUNK
    
    LACKS SENSE OF HUMOUR :(
    
    Antelope @georgiabeth | 15 Jul '12, 04:26 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - SHE'S WORKING AT THE PYRAMID
      
      SHE'S WORKING AT THE PYRAMID TONIGHT
      
      navajo @Antelope | 15 Jul '12, 11:01 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - They like nearly, but not quite the things I like
    
    Oh noooooooooooooooes
    
    Tiresias42 @georgiabeth | 14 Jul '12, 18:33 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - pitchfork seems to be populated by and cater to
    
    awful people.
    
    BYE!
    
    still_here | 15 Jul '12, 14:09 | X | ^ This | Reply

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