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Verve on the other hand were EXCELLENT
I would include the second album but I actually have rarely listened to it.
Gravity Grave, She's A Superstar and A Storm In Heaven are all absolutely wonderful psych-shoegaze records (with awesome cover art)
A Northern Soul has its moments but is already more sterile
Urban Hymns is actively annoying
Forth is probably closest to ANS, but it does have one of their all-time greatest songs on it (Columbo, which unhelpfully comes towards the end of the album, after you've already stopped listening, which is a pity, because holy crap WHAT A JAM)
I was surprised by Forth as well after initially writing it off cos of that awful Love is Noise single.
cos it's clearly inspired by Pink Floyd's Breathe which is my favourite Pink Floyd song (even sings breathe in the air in it)
maybe it's time for another go
Forth has a LOT of filler. If it went something like Sit And Wonder - Noise Epic - Columbo - Appalachian Springs it'd have been an astoundingly good comeback EP (considering)
Not been able to listen to it properly since.
Catching the Butterfly
All proper original Verve songs and allowed.
Everything good about the album is offset by Sonnet, is the trouble :(
But Rolling People is on the end of the EP with the pinball machine on the front from before the initial split, live at Glasto.
I think Come On is also from the same period so I own the album pretty much for those tracks.
They're definitely not bad. They even sound like crisper recordings of earlier-period material. But there's definitely something missing - there's too much focus, too little wonder. The Rolling People is really cool, but as everyone on Youtube is at pains to point out, is a total Aphrodite's Child rip. Catching The Butterfly is also lovely.
The ultimate tragedy of Urban Hymns, for me, is that Bittersweet Symphony really is the best song on it....
I'll have to revisit myself.
Urban Hymms got old after just one listen. I was done. There was nothing else to discover or enjoy past the simplistic melodies.
Maybe cos the saxxx.
Kind of a mess, but a good mess.
what do you think?
was too young for 'em but I like Urban Hymns a great deal, really. Not sold on their other bits.
Unique and special band. Love their earlier Psychedelic stuff and Urban Hymmns helped me out when I was in a horrible and fucked up/ill state of mind in my early 20`s.
they were pretty good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45flIqaTuOs&feature=related
is how it robbed OK Computer of awards. Ah well.
Honestly, I thought we'd reached that point when a Radiohead reference was just 'standard bants' on the Music forum.
Here's Columbo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut_gV5Zw2-Q
It's genuinely fucking stunning. First three minutes are moody and intriguing...then holy shit LIFTOFF
when it slows down
more examples wanted
but I assumed that was just hyperbole.
When it starts properly, it's way slower than the count-in on the drums.
But... This Is Music is a proper stunner.
For me, Embrace's first album ended up hitting the parts that it seemed like the Verve were supposed to be reaching. A laughable state of affairs to most, probably. Meh. One Big Family was, and still is, mega.
Who can guess what it is?
I defy you to believe it's the same band that did Gravity
My God, you have very low standards
Ahem, funny mix. Loved Urban Hymns in 1997 as I was 16 and all my friends were listening to it. But objectively, a bit of a sugar-coated, overblown mess for a lot of the time. Except for 'The Rolling People' which is outstanding. And McCabe's guitar playing is astounding throughout.
The debut is magnificent psychedelic shoegaze. Far more lucid and structured than the whole "Mad Richard" image gives credit for. It's a brilliant, timeless record. And hasn't dated at all.
But I'll still come back to A Northern Soul as one of the finest albums of the 90s. Perfectly balanced and paced between noise, confusion and brutal, skin-flayed pain. Challenging and forthright when it needs to be; desperate and sorrowful at other moments. Genuinely one of my favourite records of all time
I don't really know why. Find it hard to get into.
Classic timeless album, pisses all over that bloody Brit Pop stuff from around that time.
because urban hymns has big brain-links to my childhood and that... tried listening to the older stuff when i was about 18, thought it was rubbish. i like drug music to be more druggy and less musicy.
but was thinking about what the reception to The Verve's 2008 Glasto set? Wasn't really serious into music at the time so didn't know but obviously everything about the festival beforehand was Jay-Z and this was around the time when Kings of Leon were becoming bland and starting to just play festivals every single year.
I saw they played only around an 11-song set, so yeah just wondering. Imagine if Michael had booked Keane to headline, jesus christ...
Keane are bloody awful
I saw them at Haigh Hall in 98 and it was one of my top 5 gigs ever.
Thought Forth was a pile of shit though. Unlistenable dross.
check BLIND from the original Fireworks e.p. (not the Road version) it's an *incredible* record.
couple of decent B-sides too
has some kind of magic about it.
Never bothered with anything released after that.
The stuff they jammed out is generally much better than the stuff that's been written. I find the songs that are unadulterated Ashcroft less interesting, he needs the others to balance him out.
has not turned out how I expected at all
Was the first album I'd ever owned on CD (previously I'd only bought cassettes). As an 11 year old I loved Bittersweet/Sonnet/Lucky Man/Drugs Don't Work, and struggled to get into the rest.
As a 25 year old, I absolutely love A Northern Soul, and most of A Storm in Heaven. Nick McCabe's guitar playing is so special. Songs I listen to on Urban Hymns are the jam songs that only came about either before the split, or after McCabe had rejoined the band - Catching the Butterfly, Come On, Rolling People.
There's an astonishingly bitter interview with nick McCabe floating about on the net somewhere, done in about 1999.
About The Drugs Don't Work: "So I was thinking Bon Jovi, Robbie Williams. And I'll stand by that today - I reckon that's up there with the best Bon Jovi record."
Great interview if you've never seen it:
what a bellend. (McCabe)
I have friends that enjoy different albums more than others but I have yet to have anyone not like at least a couple.
is a classic, as are the early singles. The second album took me massively by surprise when it came out - where was the skyscraping shoegaze? But I got into it massively and still play it. Splitting up and then reforming meant Urban Hymns was going to be a bid deal for me, and I loved it at the time, but I don't play it much now. Forth - played it twice (I think).
Thank you for your efforts.
from 1992 - 1997 they were The Dogs Bollox.....AMAZING live experience.
Forth era had some great tunes not on the album, check out MaMa Soul, All Night Long and Blue Pacific Ocean...classic tunes that should have been on Forth really...
Seems to get better with age
he sings brilliantly on Lonely Soul by Unkle as well (which is a fantastic piece of music too)
But it still sticks in my mind the first time I heard Bittersweet Symphony as a diffident, scruffy haired youth in Stafford railway station buffet waiting to change trains on my way to a university interview... so yeah, I like 'em.
My analysis of the verve catalogue:
All in the mind / She's a superstar / gravity grave - Amazing
Storm in Heaven - Amazing
No Come Down (b sides) - pretty much amazing (especially gravity grave live at glasto)
Northern Soul - change of tack, but still 9/10.
Urban Hymns - 8/10 for the most part, as has been poitned out some proper excellent stuff on there. but then some more plodding bits.
Forth - never quite managed to get fully into it, although again some really really good bits.
basically i don't trust anyone who outright says the verve were shit.
I used to love that so much. All the early stuff as everyone has said is amazing. Gradual slide from there on in.........