convince me otherwise without sounding like a genre facist or a beard stroking music-historian.
Or in sound? I'm pretty sure that grime is more garage influenced therefore creating a different genre.
Listen to this and compare it to anything in that UK Hip-Hop thread. Just cos there's an MC doesn't mean it's the same, it's like saying anything with singing is 'indie'.
And I am no way claiming to be an expert on either genre, but UK Hip-Hop is born out of American Hip-Hop, which is why I've always struggled to take it seriously at it's basically always seemed like people just appropriating an existing genre, whereas Grime is born out of a mixture of everything from Hip-Hop, Dancehall, Garage, Jungle/DnB MCing, and is basically an entirely different genre. Obviously 'hip-hop' these days is a massively wide-ranging genre and has various different production and MCing styles etc. etc. but does anything else in world really sound like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-dmNHMxPPc
It doesn't help that the only people I've ever met who were into UK Hip-Hop are white dreadlocked pseudo-political pseudo-hippies who think Immortal Technique is the best rapper in the world, but maybe I'm too young and missed the boat.
I agree with the above though.
"They all sound the same to me".
they sound completely different. you don't need to be an expert to notice that.
The MC style is more of a UK pirate radio dance music style of creating hype and energy. The beats are often faster and rawer, since they came from dance music rather than old funk records or whatever. They do cross over espesh since hip-hop is so huge and MCs can easily make the jump by slowing it down. But yeah grimes a whole diffrent vibe. Listen to a grime set rather than a random track and you might hear more of that dance music influence this ones ace: http://www.sonicrouter.com/2012/05/vouch-slackk-on-nasty-crews-seminal-studio-set/ Live its more liek a rave than a hip-hop atmosphere too.
Like how Pantera and Tom Petty are both rock'n'roll. Same ingredients, different results.
grime > hip hop? Nah man
Can't tell the difference between house, techno and DnB or whatever either. Also really bad at recognising faces.
grime is faster I think