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however, i wasn't that aware of him at the time (I was 16 and into Deftones, so...)
not sure he ever played another UK date after that.
I never did get my Royal Festival Hall ticket refunded...although I think that was more out of being disorganized than distraught.
or it wasn't on a discography that I saw.
I don't think I got into him until about 2000 when I was exploring one of the post-Napster services.
So unfortunately can only watch him live on the net.
He seemed either brilliant or terrible in his live performances, would have still liked to have saw him.
Total maestro with lyrics.
I saw him at Reading in August 2000 and, more amusignly, I took my dad to see him in Glasgow in June 2000. He was really great the two times I saw him. My dad enjoyed it too, heh.
I knew very little about him at the time, think I only had one of his records, but my life, he was good. Sad I didn't get to see him more than once, there was something really charismatic (but unpretentious) about him onstage.
at the Academy 2 in Manchester when he was touring Figure 8. A mate knew someone with a spare ticket (!) so I tagged along. The gig was fucking brilliant - even to someone like me who wasn't familiar with the songs. Sad loss.
So gutted I never got the chance to see him.
I saw him at a festival on glasgow green 1n 2000. In a dark wee tent (which i can't recall the name of) this was just after the release of figure 8 which i had not long purchased and was really looking forward to seeing him. He did'nt dissapoint and his set was taken up with a lot of stuff from said album and XO as well. I think he may have opened with baby britain i'm not sure.
The tent was just full of hardcore smith fans ( i say that because they all knew the tunes well) and a few curious people just checking out something different. I if i remember correctly i think he clashed with a big act like primal scream or something so the tent was only half full.
It was really sad to think that only three years later he would be dead.
I went to see Primal Scream.
I was only 19 at the time mind but now I am extremely angry, didn't even know he played.
but one of the angriest moments of my life was when I had tickets, actually had and had paid for tickets to see Elliott Smith at the Royal Festival Hall in 2000, but my head of sixth form told me if I didn't attend the sixth form open evening, the date of which was arranged AFTER I had bought tickets, that I'd be suspended from school. I'd got my dad to write a letter and everything saying I was a musician and it would be important to my development, and it would be £50 wasted if I didn't attend with my friend (who also missed out). She disregarded it and said it was imperative I showed up, or else. I wasn't even a prefect. I showed up, there was no register, SHE WASN'T EVEN THERE (!!), there were far too many of us, I ended up doing nothing apart from half a tour of the maths department, which I wasn't even involved with, and going home about 10pm, almost in tears.
He never came to the UK again. Mrs. Thomas you Brian May looking shit, I have never forgiven you, and will never forgive you.
Really really shit. At the time being suspended would seem like the worst thing in the world, probably makes it worse looking back and thinking you could have just completely ignored the stupid woman completely.
I have no idea what was going through her head. She was just a bit mental I think.
WELL DONE INSPECTOR GADGET!!!!11
I guess so everyone was seen to be contributing. But there were just far too many of us, so there were quite a few of us that ended up doing hardly anything.
My job that was delegated to me was vaguely to give tours of the economics and history departments but literally nobody was interested in that, so ended up at the insistence of one particularly cuntish parent to give them a personal tour of the maths department despite knowing nothing about it, before he pretty much stormed off in a huff halfway through.
Just a total load of bullshit.
I was really sad to read about your experience, being a fan of Elliott Smith myself.
Just thought it was a bit peculiar that you were made to go to something which in my experience has always been optional unless you were a prefect. I think with anyone else involved it was voluntary.
It does make sense though if everyone was made to go even if that is a shitty policy.
In the words of Elliott's contemporaries Blue - "it's sad, so sad, it's a sad sad situation. And it's getting more and more absurd!"
and just faked illness.
the greatest hero of them all!
"i may have cried into my national t-shirt about this before" you are legally entitled to be as pathetic as you please.
You're good at that.
i meant you earned that post
I've had one too many WKDs tonight.
Actually, oddly I was just down the pub talking about how great Elliott Smith was with my mate and it made me feel a bit sad.
Its ok, my sister just got the Ed Sheeran album so I'll stick that on instead. Comparable as fuck.
yes, that was a joke about Ed Sheeran, people.
Twice at Reading, one of those NME gig at the Astoria and supporting Belle & Sebastian at Shepherd's Bush Empire
You have no idea how jealous I am.
Listening to New Moon just now, probably my favourite double disc, so many amazing tracks.
Line up: Quasi - Hefner - Elliott Smith - Sebadoh
The Shepherd's Bush Empire gig had terrible sound issues, as I recall.
And cheers for reminding me, dick. :(
Looking through old Reading line-ups I missed him while young and stupid.
on the figure8 tour.... honestly i do not remember if it was a good show or not
Reading 2000, where he clashed with the mighty Slipknot and The Forum in October 2000. Forum gig was magic.
Ah well, I appreciated it at the time.
Would much preferred to have seen Elliott.
He supported Belle & Sebastian @ Nottingham Marcus Garvey Centre in 1998. I'm ashamed to say I didn't really pay that much attention to his set, as I've loved his records ever since and never got another opportunity to see him.
same NME show as aboynamedgoo mentions upthread, Reading 2000 and somewhere in London around the same time (Forum I think). The London show was definitely the best as it was his own headline set, as opposed to being crammed in with other bands on the NME tour or at a festival, I remember my girlfriend at the time and I having a proper boo-hoo-I-love-you moment during Waltz No.2. Good times.
pretty sure that was also when he sang He's Simple, He's Dumb... with Grandaddy. I also had no idea who they were at the time.
IT'S OK THOUGH, BECAUSE I GOT TO SEE ELASTICA TOURING THE MENACE!!!!!!!
He was underwhelming. The sound wasn't brilliant and his songs were lovely 'n' all but there was nothing about the performance that suggested that live he was anything special. He went about his business in rather hushed fashion, but the songs were great so I did enjoy it.
But yeah, based on that performance you didn't miss anything life changing I have to say. In fact I remembered reading reports at the time that he was very inconsistent and frustrating live (in a Cat Power kind of way). Historical revisionism will do that to you.
Some of the videos are great, but some are really bad.
He seemed to be a really nervous person.
What is their best album?
Wasn't too familiar with them but I remember enjoying them. Was a free outdoor gig in a park with a few other bands.
Saw Elliot in 1996/7 in a small pinball bar in Kansas whilst touring his self titled debut album. Being English in Kansas stood out so i even got to chat to him after the gig. He was a quiet chap who took my enthusiasm well. We chatted about Dischord a lot for some reason and I mentioned Nick Drake as simple base English comparison to him. He had no idea who Nick Drake was, I felt silly.
he wasn't all that
And no i'm not one of "those people who think it's cool to see an act in the early days before they hit the big time/become mainstream". Numpty.
Are you trolling?
they hit the big time/become mainstream
and no, considering I was 11 when he died so :(
http://archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3AElliottSmith&sort=-publicdate which some of you most probably have already seen. Some have pretty poor sound quality though
Having gone through most of them, I'd recommend:
1)Live at Studion 1998/06/02 has a great, varied set list, simple set up, good quality sound, and him at his best.
2) Famous Henry Fonda Theatre- him at one of his lowest points, but still got it together enough to make a decent live show. Acoustic again, has a lot of "basement" songs. He does screw up a couple.
3)Roseland Theatre- Best electric w/keyboard one imo, draws mainly from figure 8.
is wonderful, energetic and dare I say it quite slick, a real sign of something he should have continued with perhaps. I could actually imagine people moshing to the version of Bled White on there.
Another question, who had tickets to the RFH show he was going to do with an orchestra? And how good would that show have been? On one of the bootlegs I have there is a one minute orchestra backed version of, er, between the bars i think, can't listen to it less than four times in a row.
He just looked as if he didn't want to be there - poor guy.
The Royal Festival Hall show was amazing. The 2002 opening slot was an absolute car crash of a disaster - it's alluded to in this article (about halfway down):
in Leeds. it was a big deal any way that B+S were playing as this was their peak era pretty much; just on the eve of the release of '.. Arab Strap' and just after the EPs. they'd barely been up North at all, maybe 1 date in Manchester ever at this point. Elliot Smith being there was briliant for me and my mate too as we'd only just seen the Good Will Hunting film, loved those songs in that and found out about him through it. i was impressed with the fact that a real live Oscar nominated guy was 6 ft in front of us! that in itself seemed important when i was young. it was great because it was a sit down gig and unlike most gigs *everyone* were in their seats for E.S. very respectful audience too. main memory of it was at 1 point someone shouted 'take off yer hat' and he said good naturedly 'nah my hair looks like shite' and some wag shouted 'so does your face' so he said 'hey i've got something for you from New York' put his hand in his pocket and pulled out his middle finger! everyone laughed and people cheered. he seemed funny, nice, relaxed and did a lot of the songs we knew. it was a fucking rotten shame what happened to the guy in the end and i'd really liked to have seen him again.
I suppose we'll never know whether he killed himself or was murdered.
He was on great form, did a great rocking version of Christian brothers and carried on with great energy until towards the end where he did a few acoustic numbers, he messed up the begining of say yes and had to start again but it was an outstanding performance.i have a shit ton of boots from over the years but never managed to find one of the wolves gig, or indead a setlist, massive loss, theres still a lot of unreleased stuff that may see the light of day, wish i had an official recording of "True Love"...awesome song.
I only knew a song or two at the time but I remember the whole set being great
He was awesome, despite being VERY CLEARLY nervous and uncomfortable.
Way more rock than he was on record too, less acoustic stuff.
On behalf of teachers everywhere I would like to register my shame and fury at the anecdote ^. What an absolute fucking disgrace. If I was your form tutor I would have kicked off on your behalf.
but was his backing band Quasi on that tour, or at least sam coombes??? but he definetly play much more rock than on records.
Oranger was the support act, and not a very good one either.
.. Literally every time I saw an advert for one of their shows I got really excited and prepared to buy tickets.
Before you know, remembering that not only were they not Elliot Smith, but also that he was dead. Sad times.
Elliott Smith – Grand Mal (Expanded) (2012 Edition!)
Download link: http://www.mediafire.com/?0n7ur2eisc0k5
Can't be bothered downloading the whole thing again if it's only one or two
how many of you got to see Johnny Cash live?
*sticks hand up*