The plural of vinyl is vinyl.
Just a heads-up, so you can stop saying/typing "vinyls". Cos doing so makes you sound like you buy your music exclusively from Urban Outfitters.
No need to apologise. We've all been out of our depth at one point or other. And we learn from our mistakes, yeah?
Some other plural options: records, LPs, albums, vinyl records.
This has been a public service announcement. Thank you for your avoidance of this increasingly widespread "vinyls" wrongness.
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Broken Records
I say 'vinylz'.
You don't want anybody else
When you think about me
You touch yourself
http://youtu.be/wv-34w8kGPM
furthermore
LEGO
Apparently Lego is an adjective
*LEGO™
wait no
LEGO™ bricks
http://bit.ly/z7NQBi
http://tinyurl.com/3kyqo99
Vinylae
furthermore
SHEEP
I quite like saying 'a sheeps' for singular and 'sheeps' for plural.
Generally only in private though. Wouldn't wanna inflict such grating wackiness upon the wider public.
Computer mouse
Computer mouses?
it's meeces
as in 'I hate you meeces to pieces'
No cheeses for us meeces.
That's harsh - they buy it cos they like the sound
and it's authentic or something.
I say vizzagazzlezz
fishies
Co
Compacts Disc
Longs Player
Cassettes Tape
Cos Co
Grands Prix
Asders
Doctors Who
Mothers-In-Law
Surgeons General
Houses of Parliament
Courts-martial
...wait, no.
Eights Track
WHY CAN'T WE ^THIS OPs YET?!
Just this me right here, bro.
^5
Punctuation and other grammatical errors
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just got an email from famous online record shop
"New Disco Vinyls"
if Boomkat start with it next might just have to give in.
Juno was the shop
I did type it in honest
the plural of Coco Pops?
Link them to this thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwsPVVe-1ik
worse than paedophilia mate
I've just been out to buy two vinyls
"I've just been out to buy two vinyl"
I like the first one better. Surely it should be 'vinyl record(s)', but if you're using the word vinyl to mean a record, wouldn't it be sensible to stick the s on the end for a plural?
I dunno, I don't study English.
I've just bought two records
Who calls them vinyl that often?
vinyl is a mass noun and so has no plural
It refers to the material that records are made from, not the items themselves.
It can also be used as an adjective: "consisting or made of vinyl".
So you can say "I want this on vinyl" (noun) or "I want this as a vinyl record" (adjective).
Any reference to "a vinyl" or "vinyls" is wrong, wrong, wrong.
"I want the vinyl of this" can go either way, but these days if I hear somebody saying this I assume they think vinyl can be enumerated. Which is wrong.
A good guide here is the synonym for vinyl "wax". Nobody ever says "I went to the shop and bought a wax" or "let's play some waxes".
- ...expect to get your wax, you know, you got your, you got your stacks of wax, man, but you don't expect to get h...
- Sorry, I don't understand.
- We're nothin' but the nerds they say we are.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPqLLbdlIR0
:-)
both are wrong/weird
which of you set this up then?
http://thepluralofvinyl.com/
Ah man, I love Microfiche Records!
Whenever I order something from them, they always throw in test pressings or coasters made from mispresses of the release or an uncut sheet of labels for that release, or something else equally as awesome.
Well now I want to buy something from them
but I've never heard of them or their acts
This is one of those things that really doesn't matter
What about tape, that is a medium that is already more than singular but tapes is acceptable
umm yeah
Isn't vinyl a collective noun (and a slang one at that), the plural would be vinyl collections perhaps. If you want to refer to the individual objects, surely they are called records or LP's? Oh god, why have I responded to this, I am supposed to be writing an essay!
My girlfriend and I pronounce it vin-yil.
I find doing this loudly in record stores great fun.
I have stopped caring about stuff like this
People saying "vinyls" the overuse of "literally" etc. It really, really doesn't fucking matter. People who get effect and affect the wrong way round can fuck off though, that is just dense.
It really, really /doesn't/ fucking /matter/.
But, hey, what does, apart from air, water, food, shelter, warmth, and procreation? Just saying that it's really handy chump detector.
you have 1,700 vinyl records
or 1,700 albums on vinyl
You have 1736 LPs, albums, or vinyl records.
But you already knew that.
I'm more concerned about these "pubic" service announcements?
Brazilians?
Surely LPs is wrong
Long Players? Long playing what? I shall accept nothing but Long Playing Recorded Vinyl Discs.
OK, so maybe this doesn't irk you. But surely no-one could fail to be moved by the pharse "vinyl player".
Record players, turntables, or decks... aye.. but "vinyl player".
JFC.
Good work, Balonz:
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4211139#r5078182
And Ricky_Ronco & :-) rue_the_day/Diane/Cronin:
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4141092#r2512066
Sheeldz back from the brink:
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4202343#r4935924
i have not called it that since.
I like this thread
I see no problem with declining 'vinyl' to indicate number. Maybe we should decline it to indicate case as well:
nominative: vinylum
accusitive: vinylen
genetive: vinyline
ablative: vinylite
foolingyourselfative: vinylhasalovelywarmsounddoesntit
primitive: vinylshouldbeadeadformatwhyarepeoplestillfuckingobsessedwithit
^I have a lot of time for this man.
Vinyl player! that's hillarious, I thought this thread was tongue in cheek until I read that.
* The plural of vinyl is records
.... hm good (?) label name come to think of it
RECORDS !!
No one called it "vinyl" until after CDs came around. It was ALWAYS records. If records is vinyl, then mp3 downloads is ether.
electrons
Bats spelt backwards is stab
Advert in this month's Wire with details of 'vinyls' available for purchase
it's in The Wire now. BE AFRAID
Good news: you're all elitist snobs!
This would seem, at least by first impression, to be as clear an example of artificial linguistic in-group snobbery as we could ask for. People who favor vinyl records are a self-defined in-group to begin with, and here we have a fake linguistic rule to further establish who is in and (more importantly) who is out.
Argh!
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=4017
Shit they've seen us
I feel like my mum's coming over and we've got five minutes to tidy up
nans house
agree so much
Eilded head noun
Linguistics rant ahoy: mostly addressing Willma from February.
When someone mentions 'a vinyl', they mean 'a vinyl record' - except the noun, 'vinyl', is elided (left out). This sort of thing happens all the time in English, e.g. 'pass the horseradish' is actually 'pass the horseradish sauce', I don't want an actual horseradish. The elided noun can be inferred from context: there's sauce on the table, or if we're talking about music, then the vinyl refers to records.
So 'I'm getting a vinyl' is actually fine from a grammatical perspective. You might not personally like it, but take your grammar peeves elsewhere, grandpa.
As for mass/count nouns: in the case of vinyl records, we're obviously talking about something that comes in discrete units - records - as opposed to an amount of the raw material. It's like beer: you can have two beers, that's fine. It means you had two pints or bottles or whatever - two discrete units, which are inferred from context even if the unit itself is elided.
Nobody would accuse you of trying to enumerate a mass noun if you said you'd had two beers. Unless you were out with the Queen's English Society, but those fuckers are gone, so you're safe.
The question here is where does the plural marker go when the noun is elided. 'A vinyl record' becomes 'A vinyl', no probs, but what about 'Vinyl records'? The plural marker (the s) attaches to the noun, BUT THE NOUN IS GONE. So it attaches to the adjective instead: 'vinyls'. If you like, you can think of the plural marker as free-floating, a reminder of a noun sadly departed: 'Vinyl s'. Better? It's like a little headstone :(
Generally, if the majority of speakers in a community are using a certain construction, or using a word in a certain way, and you're the only one who has a problem, then maybe you're the one who is 'wrong, wrong, wrong'. I haven't seen usage stats for 'a vinyl' with elided noun 'record': can't really Google for elided words, so I can't do a rough search. I can say that it sounds okay to me, and I'd be careful about not applying my own biases about people who might say 'a vinyl' to any linguistic opinions.
But since willma offers no proof either, those assertions are totally baseless.
Nobody is the tsar of English: you can have strong opinions, but nobody gets to lay down the law.
I'd guess that willma's problem here (apart from being a prescriptivist) is that he(she?) doesn't know how elided nouns work. Why would he: they're not there. So he misapplied the little knowledge he does have (mass nouns), and came up with totally the wrong answer.
That's the problem with prescriptivists. They want to lay down the rules, but they don't even know what they are half the time, and they tend to mistake their own malformed opinions for fact. Most of things that get mentioned as 'rules of grammar' aren't even that, they're really just points of style (split infinitives, dangling modifiers etc).
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Btw the thing about 'a wax' isn't proof that 'a vinyl' is ungrammatical. For one thing, 'vinyl record' is by far the more common way to refer to the object in question:
Google search for 'vinyl record': 8.99m
Google search for 'vinyl records': 17.7m
Google search for 'wax record': 43
Google search for 'wax records': 331k
The other thing about elided nouns is that the word that's left, the adjective (or the noun in the adjective position). It has to imply the missing noun in a fairly unambiguous way, or unambiguous in context at least.
Hence, 'a vinyl' is okay most likely because so few things are made of vinyl. It's basically records and dildos at this point. Likewise, 'a 12"' is fine, because it also describes an important property of the record, to the extent that you can infer the noun just from that property.
I don't think it holds up with wax because records aren't made of wax, are they, they're made of vinyl. 'I went on Amazon and bought a wax' - a wax what? But say, 'I went on Amazon and bought a vinyl', and we're talking about records. Even in the context of music, 'I've got a new wax' is clear enough to parse, but not as clear as 'vinyl'.
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I don't particularly like the phrase 'a vinyl', but that's not the point. The point is when prescriptivists see something they don't like, they often say 'this breaks the rules!', citing either the wrong rules or their own opinion as fact, when really they haven't a clue.
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Here's an analogy for you: 'glass'. Glass is a mass noun, which also gets used in the adjective position to describe other nouns. Glass window, glass figurine, glass statue.
Except nowadays, when you think about glass in the context of drinking vessels, it magically becomes a count noun: one glass, two glasses. HOLY SHIT A PLURAL.
Here's my guess: for literally millions of years it was used as an adjective, as in 'a glass vessel/beaker/tumbler/whatever'. Then, in olden days, someone elided the noun, leaving as 'a glass', and context would help listeners understand what this person was referring to.
But then some prick brought it up in a medieval forum somewhere - like an actual forum - declaring that 'glass has no plural' and 'just as a heads-up, you can stop saying glasses'. But lo! This prick was not actually in charge of the language, so people ignored him and kept using words and phrases in ways that best helped them to communicate.
Elided noun, motherfuckers.
Google search for 'wax record': 43k
Not just 43, obv.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldFBnCaD-jg#t=17s
Can't hear the vid from here
But Jeff Goldblum is great regardless
that's a passionate and well constrcuted argument
(although I take issue with your use of 'literally' in 'literally millions of years' if you are referring to the word in English)
however it doesn't stop 'vinyls' sounding nails-down-the-blackboard wrong.
Thanks for reading
'Literally' was a wind-up; it annoys me as well! Sometimes I say 'figuratively' instead. Like, 'I was so annoyed with that post that I exploded. FIGURATIVELY.'
Yeah, I don't like 'a vinyl' particularly.
I think bias has a part to play. I've hardly heard this in the real world at all, so I don't think it's common. I reckon that what happens is people imagine the context and the person who would say it - i.e. a hipster in a record shop, possibly a second-hand one. He's probably bragging about his 'rare finds' and his 'white labels' from under his ridiculous moustache. What a cock. Surely, whatever new thing that tool says must be wrong, so take that, constructed speech from an imaginary person! You are the face of this neologism, and I have decided against you! No need to apologise. We learn from our mistakes, yeah?
Of course, I'm applying my own bias there.
That's a classic prescriptivist thing to do. It's not always the supposed rule-breaking itself that's the problem - it's the people, or class of people, who would break those rules. It's always the Others*: poor people (can't speak properly, innit), foreign people (why don't they learn proper English), whoever. Whichever group of people need to be disenfranchised and looked down on: attacking the form of their language makes it easier to ignore the content, and thus ignore them altogether.
That's the extreme of linguistic prescriptivism. You want what? A living wage? Sorry, I didn't understand you because you dropped the G.
*WE HAVE TO GO BACK
Hmm, that sounds like I'm standing up for the rights of imaginary hipsters in record shops
I'm not though
Screw those guys
The problem you've got there is that you're using the methods of the prescriptivists
to argue against precriptivism.
You use the argument from historical perspective to back up your elided nouns/vinyls point but that is excactly the kind of point conservative victorian grammarians would make.
ie. 'you can't use a spolit infinitive because you couldn't in Latin and therefore it is wrong'.
Nobody ever actually said that about split infinitives
It's a straw-man argument, from descriptivists! I don't think anyone's ever found a prescriptivist who actually used that argument seriously (there was a post on Language Log about it, can't find it!). The reason most prescriptivists give against splitting infinitives is essentially that 'it's just wrong'. The comparison is with Latin because it's a dead language: prescriptivists generally resist language change, so what they love best is a nice dead language etc.
So I'm saying 'change is okay because old things', whereas prescriptivists say 'change is bad because old things'? Not exactly.
My point is that you can use new forms as they emerge if you want, as things change constantly, and we can look back and find countless examples of that happening. The history of language is a history of change, and the further back you go, the more change you see!
But I don't think the 'historical prescriptivist' view really exists; or, if it does, it doesn't look that far back because it's self-defeating. It might claim that English was in a 'better' state fifty years ago, but surely nobody is comparing modern English to Latin or Old English or Proto-Indo-European or whatever.
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Here's an anecdote from a linguistics lecture. It was the letters page from The Times, c.1950s, which had published a photo of the higher-ups in the Soviet Union, with the caption, 'The Soviet hierarchy'. Someone had written in saying, 'I don't see any wings or golden harps'.
Before then, 'hierarchy' was used exclusively to refer to the nine choirs of angels in Christian mythology - nothing else. The sub who wrote the caption applied the word to something else (bit of ironic juxtaposition there). The word's semantic load increased over time, and nowadays, a 'hierarchy' is a tiered power structure of any kind. Nobody even thinks about angels. But doesn't that seem daft now? So the sub who wrote that caption was just ahead of the curve. Well, probably not if it got past an editor, but still.
I want a horseradish record
Fucking love this post
so much
Too kind (sorry about excessive ranting)
Here's the Language Log post about how because-Latin-therefore-English isn't real:
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=639
Word nerds unite!
I'm so glad you wrote this.
It's way better than the post I otherwise would have written. The only constructed person I dislike more than said moustachioed hipster is the sad, angry one (who can't grow facial hair otherwise would've had a moustache, like, years ago) on the internet creating 'rules' for people to break to justify their indiscriminate hatred. Can't people just accept that the only differences between 'us' and 'them' are minor aesthetic quibbles?
From a recent mailout from Piccadilly Records:
»Today is the day we give a big Piccadilly Records welcome to Manchester's influx of new students. Yes, we know you're back because you've been drifting into our shop in your white espadrilles (I hate to warn you, but canvas slip-ons + Manchester rain don't mix well), cable-knit jumpers, bobble hats and rolled up skinny chinos / super-short cut-off shorts, tights, long cardies and DMs.
We might not have QR codes on our record sleeves, but we do have actual reviews, on printed labels, and you can even listen before you buy on our instore decks. If you're welded to your smart phone you can tweet us if you want (see Twitter link at the bottom of this mailout), but if you're brave enough to come up to the counter and speak to us, you'll find that we're very friendly - and some of us (OK; ONE of us - hello Ryan) are actually quite young. The rest of us used to be to be young, a long time ago - before you were born. We're all still as obsessed by music as you are though, and are always ready to impart our enthusiasm about records new or old.
If you've just bought a 'Vinyls Player', then we have plenty of music to add to your growing record collection...«
Bit nobbish really.
I'm now kind of annoyed that I bought some CDs from them recently.
What a bunch of self-important shit.
What a cocksface
CDs player, cassettes deck, BlusRays? MiniDiscs player? No. Because the plural of MiniDisc is EVEN MORE AWESOME.
what
The idea of a Manchester-based music shop getting snobby about music.
LOL!
You're based in Manchester, lads. Best pipe down.
I quite like Piccadilly Records
but this is pretty smug and snooty.