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Obvious and true.
Screaming Trees are right in there as well.
or Mad Season
is a tremendous record.
If they count
Great track, don't think I heard anything else of theirs.
Gives you plenty of 'Jessie' for your money
Good album though.
"Grunge", for me, is as much a name for a particular time and place (a history and a geography) of music, as it is a name for a genre of music supposedly defined by a recognisable set of characteristics.
I don't really think of Mudhoney and Dino Jr as grunge, for instance, because I knew them before the media event called "Grunge" or "Seattle" happened. I used to call them something else — probably fuzz pop or fuzz rock, which are themselves not terribly helpful or accurate terms. And even though heaps of the other bands now associated with grunge had one or two or more albums out before 1991, I mostly didn't know those bands until the grunge explosion. (I knew "About a Girl", but hadn't heard anything else by Nirvana.)
Same goes with Pixies, but I think more than a few people would lump them in with grunge, particularly on account of Nirvana ripping them off (so to speak).
So, you say the word "grunge" to me and I think of the Pumpkins first and foremost, followed by Nirvana's Nevermind and whole bunch of hits: Would?, Nearly Lost You, Jesus Christ Pose, Pretend We're Dead...
The moral of the story: I don't know grunge and never have.
The Scientists are the only proper grunge band
3 years before Mudhoney's first release, even if whatsisface coined the term grunge well before Mudhoney got started.
yet Mudhoney always will be pretty much the definition of grunge to me. They were the first of those seattle bands to really break in this country. I think Mark Arm is meant to have been the first person to coin the term 'grunge' as well.
After Soundgarden and Alice in Chains started to build up steam in the late 80s, Nirvana and Pearl Jam blew the whole thing into the stratosphere in the early 90s. Then pretty much ALL American guitar bands populated by 20-30something year olds with long greasy hair got lumped in with grunge (eg Smashing Pumpkins; L7; Babes in Toyland, Hole) even if they'd been going for years already completely independently of any grunge scene (eg Dinosaur Jr, Sonic Youth), then of course you got the bandwagon jumpers (e.g.Stone Temple Pilots; Silverchair; Bush). Subpop became so synonymous with the whole grunge thing that pretty much anyone who released with them got called grunge too. Then of course you had the noise rock thing going on simultaneously (eg pretty much anyone who released on AMREP) with several of them being called grunge at the time too (e.g. Helmet)
So: Regional scene - loud sloppy guitar bands from the Pacific Northwest, late 80s - mid 90s. First grunge release - Deep Six compilation (March 1986) featuring Green River, Melvins, Malfunkshun, Skin Yard, U-Men, Soundgarden.
So, to me, these bands ARE grunge (not an exclusive list):
Mudhoney; Soundgarden; Alice in Chains; Nirvana; Pearl Jam; Green River; Mother Love Bone; Temple of The Dog; Tad; The U-Men; Malfunkshun
These are not:
Smashing Pumpkins; Dinosaur Jr; Sonic Youth; Helmet; Pixies; Afghan Whigs; L7; Babes in Toyland
Melvins are just melvins.
a lot of it comes down to the geography of reception. In Aust., Mudhoney never really had much of a profile, even after the early-90s explosion. By contrast, Gish and the Lull EP came out around the same time as Ten and only a few months before "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and "Jesus Christ Pose". The national "youth" radio network did a lot to help develop the myth of grunge, even before SLTS went ballistic, playlisting all of these tracks and talking the whole thing up, with little recognition of where it all came from (the network's new playlisting policy at the time was to focus on new music).
youre living all over me is the grungiest record i have ever heard, timeline be damned..
scared of Tad.
Alternative music was going through a really diverse & interesting phase until those tedious long-haired fuckers showed up. Yeah, Nevermind was an undeniably exciting album, albeit a highly derivative one (Replacements + Pixies), but apart from that...nah.
THEM BOOOOOOOOOOONES ARE MEEEE
I GONNA BREAK MY RUSTY CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
Specifically, the Fantastic Planet LP.
Also Tad, Melvins, Mudhoney, yada yada.
Not Screaming Trees though. Amongst the best bands of all time, but please don't call them grunge. *sad face*
early Soundgarden is also the best.
WITHOOOOUT A SOUNNNND
Alice in Chains is the answer.
certainly the grungiest frontman of all time
Nirvana, Dinosaur Jr, Mudhoney, Tad, Afghan Whigs...
Oddly, I wouldn't rate them above Nirvana, but I'd say I listen to them more often.
But i've probably listened to them more often than Nirvana since then.
Also, I remember watching this on tv (and had it on a video with loads of other stuff), my telly must have been so shit as it sounds a million more times awesome than i remembered.
Bob Mould and Neil young....not yer traditional Grundgsters....but pretty important in "The Cause"
there's no way stp are worse than hole.
Still, not grunge...and I hope he is joking as well.
End of thread.
Yeah, I'm bending the rules. DiSagree if you dare.
Does anyone remember Greta? They had a couple of great songs that I discovered via Beavis and Butthead:
I am a bit of a stickler for the rules when it comes to Grunge. Only bands from Seattle, or Washington state count.
Its quite a tragic genre really. Andrew Wood of Mother Love Bone overdoses in 1990 - the Temple of the Dog record was a collaborative tribute by the remains of the band, Soundgarden and Eddie Vedder.
Then Mia Zapata, lead singer of The Gits is raped and murdered in 1993. And of course, it all gets too much for Kurt Kobain in 1994.
My playlist ends with four tracks from these bands.
Mudhoney – Touch Me I'm Sick
Green River – One More Stitch
Nirvana – Negative Creep
Soundgarden – Flower
Unwound – Caterpillart
Nirvana – In Bloom
Tad – Deliquent
Melvins – Koollegged
Screaming Trees – She Knows
Pearl Jam – Jeremy
Pearl Jam – Go
Soundgarden – I Awake
7 Year Bitch – Knot
Mudhoney – You Got It
Alice In Chains – We Die Young
Gruntruck – So Long
Melvins – Hurter
Hammerbox – When 3 Is 2
Love Battery – Highway Of Souls
Truly – Leslie's Coughing Up Blood
Mudhoney – Let It Slide
Tad – Leafy Incline
Screaming Trees – Too Far Away
Skin Yard – Hallowed Ground
Soundgarden – Jesus Christ Pose
Melvins – Night Goat
The Gits – Cut My Skin It Makes Me Human
Mother Love Bone – Chloe Dancer/Crown Of Thorns
Temple Of The Dog – Hunger Strike
Nirvana – Heart Shaped Box
Shitlist at least, if not Pretend We're Dead
You should have included AiC at the end also if we're talking grunge tragedy :-(.
some crackers in there though!