and the company that runs it is based in East Grinstead, which is interesting... I always thought the story was that the guy who set it up had to remortgage his house to cover the costs of the festival in the first couple of years, though?
I wouldn't be totally surprised if there was some financial support from mum/dad/the church when it was making pretty huge losses at the start. And again, the whole East Grinstead thing:
It's certainly a bit odd, to say the least.
I call shenanigans.
Having said that, she's also one of the nicest people I've ever met. So even if she is a scientlogist, I don't give a shit.
Doesn't necessarily mean I want to go out for a pint with them.
this is very interesting.
If so, they're doing it pretty badly. I've been four times and never noticed.
I believe they only started turning an overall profit very recently - certainly in the first year they struggled to make it to selling half the tickets - so were the Church looking to make subterfuge inroads into pocketing money from unsuspecting festival punters a genre-specific event that struggles to stay in the black for ages is a very roundabout way of going about it.
Also, I don't think "but it's registered in East Grinstead!" would stand up as proof in court.
This is from some ultra-cunts on the bus we took to the festival who couldn't stop yammering on. This girl of about 17 or something was blethering on about how she was a scientologist and got a chance to go as a marshall because the guy who ran it was a scientologist, blah blah.
Here's my coach journey: http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4267143#r5573854
Anyway, yeah, it would seem that the festival is run by at least one Scientologist; at no point did I ever see anything at the festival which reflected Scientology but I guess if there are profits it's possible they go to the Church. Compared to the amount of money they must be getting off all the Hollywood stars desperate to be 'cured' of homosexuality I'd guess it's pretty small beans.
"Ultra-cunts who couldn't stop yammering on"
In the link that started the thread the guy who runs efestivals mentions end of the roard are going to make a statement about this at some point. But seems like a pretty odd situation, wouldn't be surprised if it turns out as sheer bullshit..
is that they've reprinted Theo's post about his bus journey from Salisbury station to the festival site.
They offered to pay us in Thetans and L Ron Hubbard books so we turned it down...
Seriously, what is this? A slow news day?
and i don't seem to be able to follow it.
If I were to conclude anything based on the slightly unhinged forums that get linked from this thread, it'd be this: that the festival was about £300,000 in a hole in 2007, and possibly(?) didn't go under thanks to somebody related to the festival being in some way related to the church of scientology.
Also, some really rubbish bands played at the festival. BLATES THETANS.
I've never been to End of the Road, but it always seems to have a really similar line-up to Green Man. Is it as good as GM?
great work whoever did that :D
EOTR and Scientology
There have been suggestions on forums that End of the Road Festival may have some connection to the Church of Scientology. This arose after the efestivals founder was sent an anonymous letter. It’s quite likely that the same person sent similar letters to the music and general press.
Two of the directors are scientologists. The remaining directors and management are not.
End of the Road has no connection with the Church of Scientology, financial or otherwise. None.
In any case, philosophical inclinations are personal and have nothing to do with a music festival. Anyone who has been to an End of the Road Festival will already know that.
For the record, EOTR did make big losses in the first two years. They were all financed by the owners and those friends who could be persuaded to lend us money. The festival is now in good financial shape, the loans are repaid and the profit made in 2011 is being invested in a new festival.
The anonymous correspondent ought to get out more.
It's a bit of a weird cult, right? That's it? They don't preach hate?
I'm no expert, but from what I can gather they basically go around killing and blackmailing anyone that dares to criticise them.
that sounds like a bit of a conspiracy theory to me...
but... "Under the Guardian's Office (now renamed the Office of Special Affairs or OSA), Church members organized and committed the largest penetration of United States federal agencies ever perpetrated by an organization not affiliated with a foreign government (that is, one such as the KGB)."
They also carry out extensive harassment tactics against people who criticise them publicly.
In fact, this whole section gives you a pretty good overview: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Scientology#Controversy, and it doesn't even really cover their alarmingly dangerous views on psychiatry. Membership contracts LEGALLY REQUIRE members to turn down psychiatric care if a doctor determines they need it.
Basically: they're probably more terrifying than BNP-esque groups, because they're wealthier and more organised.
eh. my heart's not in it.
than Catholicism or (to a lesser extent) than the C of E? Given the recent history of abuse and any of numerous examples from history of extreme persecution, genocide etc etc.
If the directors had been Catholic would they have been forced to declare this?
I mean, sure, to me scientologists are insane but any more so than most other religions? And in any case who are we to judge this? A person's choice of religion should be a private matter and certainly not one that should be the basis of any form of witch-hunt as seems to be essentially what anonymous have directed here, resulting in EoTR being forced to come out and declare the religions of their directors and leaving themselves open to the inevitable abuse that will follow.
Lost a lot of respect for anonymous on this,
and I wasn't trying to claim that the Church of Scientology was any worse than any other monolithic organisation, just that they're more than a "weird cult".
but, at the same time, I don't remember reading about Christian churches attempting widespread infiltration of a major world government. that shit is CRAZY.
i think that's because they already run most major world governments.
Above it utter crap.
If you actually talked to or met anyone involved.
Not all good by any stretch but mainly good people doing good things.
Of course attacking the US Goverment is an awful thing to attack right. Full of good people trying to good for the world.
Oh yea maybe not.....
whatever you think of the US government, and I'm sure most people will agree that it's by and large a terrible terrible terrible organisation, but I'm not really sure how you can justify a cult of irrational millionaires infiltrating a democratic [in theory, anyway] state purely to erase records of their wrongdoing??
I wasn't /in any way/ criticising them. What they get up to is entirely their own business.
However everything I've posted is -on the public record-, and as such is not "utter crap". I also clearly delineate between The Church as an organisation, and members as individual people, and I think it's quite clear I'm talking about the Church and its activities.
and as said above, regardless of your views on the US federal government (and who's doing a lot of generalising there? oh yeah, you), an organisation using such covert infiltration tactics, trying to erase documents pertaining to your own wrongdoing is, frankly fucking terrifying.
But I think your a bit presumptious that any of that stuff is actually true.
Being from East Grinstead and having some friends/family in Scn I have been around it a bit for some years.
No doubt there is some things that aren't good. (Homophobic for example is a bit true) but the attacking the US Goverment to erase stuff that they have done or something.
I think that they were consistently attacked themselves and was hugely unjustified.
95% good people trying to do good things I'd say.
on a slightly different tangent the thing about Simon being bailed out by Scientology money and then getting money from the festival is just a lie.
and, again, everything I've mentioned is on the public record. it IS true. people went to jail over Operation Snow White. a lot of them pled guilty.
and, again, I'm talking about the organisation, not individual people. i can tell the difference.
I went there for a business meeting once, to try and sell them computer software. They didn't do anything weird.
but I think for a while it was treated as the world HQ for some time with L Ron Hubbard living there.
Especially the taggings.
If the organisers take over the free world sometime in the future, I'll be sure to ask for my money back.
If they make every day as enjoyable as End Of The Road then they're welcome to run the place.
I now realise I was a bit hasty there.
Same goes out to Anthonyc. And calumlynn(c?).
End of the Road release press statement about the whole thang:
Guess I should pay more attention.
I fear just being linked with Scientology no matter what the truth is going to damage the standing of EOTR. There'll always be people who take whatever evidence they can and use it to discredit, as with the eFestivals thread.
I see they've signed Ince and Long up for the comedy at No Direction Home. CLASSIC THETAN COVER-UP.
Then those knobheads can stay away and let me enjoy the festival in peace.
I'm in a band just starting out and have played End of the Road. I've never come across a nicer bunch of people who genuinely seem to want to help young bands and who love good music. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of sponsorship of any kind on site - let alone Scientology promotion.
I couldn't care less about people's personal beliefs but I do care about how people treat people - End of the Road seem to treat people really well as far as I can tell. Also... I know some people involved in festival promotion and as far as money spinning ventures go I think they're fairly low down the list...
As a musician it's such a pleasure to come across a company that really seems to love and support music first and sees money making as a secondary factor (again notice how it's such an uncommercial festival site). I'm not sure what the person who started this was trying to achieve but it would be a real shame if this was to harm one of the few festivals doing something as good as this that brings so much great music and fun to so many people.
Live and let live?