Some obvious first picks:
Very little of the Joy Division comparisons had settled in to generally off set the good feeling towards the album. This is in addition to the fact that, even today, the album is highly regarded because of its consistency.
And don't use another of your profiles to reply, so it looks like I'm being outnumbered...
you were saying they were yet to release a poor record? My apologies, though of course I will never agree with you ;).
but I wonder if TOTBL was too good to attract the kind of fans you mention (the ones who want Interpol to never change). Which of course has not worked in their favour.
I always thought you liked all four of them
And I really rate Antics, but there was a big drop off thereafter and nobody ever mentions anything but TOTBL.
Neon Bible: 9.2/10
The Suburbs: 9.4/10
Neon Bible - 6/10
The Suburbs 8/10
for 'stopped after their first two' (or first two and b-sides album)
to quite a large degree
YOU SAY YOU DON'T KNOW
TAKE ME OUT.
I still maintain Silent Alarm needed five tracks culled from it, A Weekend In The City is at least as good as it.
Their first album was the only one considered "legendary", though.
but only if they'd all been killed in a plane crash two weeks after releasing Is This It?.
Always thought 'Up The Bracket' is a much better record than The Libertines. Also 'Is This It', brilliant record and never really topped. Stone Roses might also get a mention with the five year follow up and the split and then reunion, not a great track record by any standards.
and won't hear a negative word about them!
Both will be considered legendary after they split up anyway, definitely the two most important bands of the 2000s.
I'd argue some of Arctic Monkeys stuff after the debut is better or just as good as stuff on 'Whatever people...' .
this thread doesn't necessarily just call for bands whose first album was their best and everything after was bilge. To pick a really bad example, Massive Attack would be pretty legendary if they'd only ever released Blue Lines, even though Mezzanine is clearly better and anyone who disagrees is a moomin. Ditto Nick Drake and Five Leaves Left, even though that may well be his best album. These are bad examples because they both ARE "legendary", but still.
someone who understand what I meant :)
Some of the stuff on Humbug and Suck It And See are vastly superior to some songs on their debut.
Who would you argue has been more influential on 2000s bands than Arctic Monkeys and The Strokes? Both bands revived Indie to such a degree of popularity that in the wake of both bands debuts Indie was huge.
Sure, you can name some obscure American act who only Pitchfork readers have heard of just because you think they're better, but come on.
Couldn't agree more with that.
with huge influence on 'indie', you'd have to substitute Arctic Monkeys for The Libertines.
in terms of the wider decade, Daft Punk are comfortably the most important and influential. just try to imagine the musical landscape of the past decade or so without 'Discovery'.
in addition to them, you have the likes of...
Wiley and Dizzee Rascal
Digital Mystikz, Skeam, Loefah, etc
all massively important/influential. you're looking at this from an outdated, 'indie'-centric viewpoibt.
Indie revival was probably the biggest musical movement of the 2000s.
People say that The Smiths, Pixies, The Stone Roses etc are some of the most influential bands of all time yet when these lot were around Indie was still a fairly underground movement, but they're still regarded as three of the most important bands of the 80s.
I think very, very few bands manage to destroy their reputation by following an incredible album up with shit. DJ Shadow, for example - he's still considered to be pretty legendary, no? Souls of Mischief might be an exception, since they kind of faded into obscurity after 93 'til Infinity, whereas if they'd immediately disbanded instead, the likes of Pitchfork would probably still be highlighting it as a seminal classic.
But they have made so many great records since Murmur. I think I completely missed the point here, actually. Sorry
bands that aren't considered 'legendary' that would be if they'd only made their first album? I know REM weren't so hip in their final years, but I'm reasonably certain their place in the books was assured a while back...
but maybe The Long Blondes too.
Manic Street Preachers
Sell 18 million copies of Generation Terrorists and then set themselves on fire on TOTP. Quite literally going out in a blaze of glory.
Please change your username.
by not disappearing and then doing 'Everything Must Go' without Richey. Then they could of fucked off.
They'd be remembered like Nirvana or Joy Division or something.
It'd all be Confusion and Shellshock. Internet Thieves Like Us probably wouldn't even bother downloading Joy Division stuff because we no longer had True Faith in them as a legendary band... Oh, sod it, something about the Foo Fighters.
If they split up after that album there would be such a legendary stigma attached to them. And if they reunited in 2012 (as a three piece) they would be headlining the likes of Reading, TITP, V, etc - festivals where they have played low slots in recent years.
I'm semi-tempted to start an alt account entitled "SonyVaioPCG-7N1MLaptop" or "Kleenex3PlySuperStrong" or something
sound like failed guitarists who just weren't good enough and are now taking their bitterness out on me.
Something was pouring from his mouth. He examined his sleeve. Blood!? Blood. Crimson copper-smelling blood, his blood. Blood. Blood. Blood... And bits of sick.
just trying to imagine what Jarvis Cocker would have actually done for a living, had they split up after releasing It.
Who make the occasional appearance on obscure 80s Post-Punk mixtapes.
I reckon Lost Souls would have become something of a lost classic. Or something like that.
As would Tigermilk by Belle and Sebastian.
With neither of these am I saying they were wrong to continue. I just reckon they would have been "legendary" one-album wonders. Both albums pretty much sum up what each band is all about. They do to me anyway.
...the Who had only ever released 'My Generation' they might have retained a modicum of respect.
from you perhaps
pablo honey is outstanding, the rest is drivel
The Bends, OK Computer and In Rainbows are all 10x better.
The King Of Limbs
Hail To The Thief
I'm amazed no-one else has mentioned them yet.
because then they wouldnt have recorded 'no lucifer' ....so beautiful it makes me cry
HARGGGGGGGHHHHHHH not really
Because they made more than one suddenly everyone would remember that one released to little or no fanfare rather than the sustained, consciousness raising the later albums would bring???
I know I'm deliberately missing the object of this exercise but the one album solution certainly would't have worked for BSP - I mean REALLY??? - and possible not even for REM.
BUT WE'LL NEVER KNOW EH.
If they'd sold the 16 million they'd hoped to.
As a fan, if you could choose between an imaginary MSP that produced Generation Terrorists, sold 16 million, had become the biggest band in the world and quit at the top of their game, or have them as they are now, with all their faults, which would you go for?
but there is something very tempting about the idea of a totally unsullied legacy. Sure, you wouldn't have the Holy Bible, but then you'd also get to jettison all the sub-par stuff that came afterwards. Don't get me wrong, I love the Manics and a lot of their latter-day output, but there's also a large part of me that wishes they'd been able to achieve their own wildly ambitious dreams...
the concept of an unsullied legacy is a romantic one, but paradoxically, not often one to love. for that emotion, you need those imperfections.
though I hate to say it.
of course screamadelica isn't their debut, I deserve whatever mockery I have coming
But I'm not sure if they'd be seen as legendary, or just a bunch of gobby upstarts from oop north who released a pretty good album at a time when lots of gobby upstarts seemed to be releasing records.
Definitely Maybe is considered one of the greatest British albums of all time, and they wouldn't have tarnished their career with their post-WTSMG output.
i love the other two albums, but they were ignored and overseen on the whole. had they just put out the debut, they'd definitely be considered 'legendary'.
rubbish twee pop stuff.
The debut on the other hand is utterly incredible, one of my favourite albums from the 2000s.
A bit more pop on the latter two, but still plenty of the same funk/action theme/rap mashup stuff.
If they'd both died of an overdose after the first album it would be called one of the greatest british albums of all time and Pete Docherty would have been obtained Cobain-like status. Im not saying its a great album, just that it would be ripe for the type of hyperbole that goes on with dead celebrites.
And it's already legendary amongst complete wankers.
Probably the best British album of the 2000s
Tho I'm counting the 3 EPs as an album
Interstate Managers and Utopia are loads better than the self titled.
the debut is an absolute classic in power pop circles, thought of as one of the best power pop albums of the 90s, but subsequent albums have been viewed as too commercial/there's always the "they were better when they were a two piece" argument. Also in the UK many people think of them as a one hit wonder with Stacy's Mom. If they'd stopped after the first album, they'd just be viewed as an amazing short lived band.
...I suspect that they'd just be even more forgotten than they already are :(
Every critic seemed to whinge that Doppelganger was too one dimensional. Which view to show that a lot of critics are wankers.
...the critical apathy to Curve. I seem to recall one hack dismissing them as being 'too contrivedly beautiful sounding' or similar.
And then to add insult to injury, a few years later Garbage watered down their sound and sold a gazillion albums.
...where then they were too cynical (or perhaps too small an in-crowd of hacks held too much of a majority view). So many people on DiS revisit key records of the early 90's (pre- the Internet being as omnipresent as it is now) and absolutely love them. Are people going to look back on Antlers and think "bloody hell, how did I miss this at the time?".
No, they are not. And yet Curve (on a critical scale) would have been down there with a middling album getting a 6.0 or 7.0 from pitchfork (or 7.0 or 8.0 from DiS)...
Altho it alaways hard to say what records are going stand the trials of time. For example, Parklife has been getting a lot of discussion on the boards recently and at the time that was widely loved by critics and fans alike - these days I would imagine most people pass it over for the albums pre/post.
Doppelganger > Gift > Cuckoo > Come Clean > New Adventures of Curve
Excluded Pubic Fruit, Open Day At The Hate Fest and Way Of Curve as singles / download collections
Doppelganger > Come Clean > Cuckoo > Gift > The New Adventures Of Curve
From Wikipedia 'Perhaps also as a result of this development, fans of the group are divided as to which Curve release is the most satisfying.'
Hmm, I feel that today may be a Curve listening day...
And I don't even like them.
The other albums aren't necessary.
Slightly of piste, but Glee is a brilliant mush mash of an album. The rest are pretty terrible...
From art bitch to city grrrrl, so sad.
I kind of know people mean 'one of the all time greats', but it sounds like they're living in a fairytale forest or something.
Er, anyway: Suede?
Not that they're exactly poorly thought of and not that it wouldn't be a shame to deprive the world of Dog Man Star, but if they'd just released that first album I can well imagine they'd probably be regarded as as the great lost band of the Nineties.
to me, Legendary doesn't necessary mean all time great, but just an artist who seems strangely above most criticism. This isn't always merited either.
Illmatic. Can't think of anyone who suffers from 'but is it as good as the first one?' syndrome as badly as Nas. The record is legendary, but Nas is not - he lives in its shadow.
He even had to name a later record Stillmatic. He's got to be the only artist who's basically named a follow-up album Remember the First One? I'm Still That Good, Honestly. There's no Is This Still It, Still Generation Terrorists or Turn the Bright Lights Back On Again, is there? Poor Nas.
I really hope Interpol do an album called Turn the Bright Lights Back On Again
I like the last album a lot. But that backstory would probably have carried For Emma, Forever Ago...umm well...forever I guess.
Echo & The Bunnymen. They're killing their legend with each passing tour/ run-of-the-mill album.
New Order. From legends to shameful old men bitching...
PJ Harvey. Top 10 albums and Double win at mercurys don't help in "legendary status" matters...she's dangerously close to being a "National Treasure" for the mainstream. Which WILL happen when she's old and grey haired...
...maybe there's an argument that they should never have returned after their first phase, but then again Evergreen was a fairly decent comeback.
As for PJ Harvey, maybe she should duck out of music for a decade a la Kate Bush - that would help build the mystique.
I got that album when I was 16 and I even thought it was shit then.
...is rubbish tbf.
Everything all the time - fantastic...and where it left at that, legendary.
Cease to begin - pretty damn good.
Infinite Arms - Bag of shite really.
but still don't think they would have ever been legendary
...legendary might be stretching it a bit. But the 2 shows they played in Dublin is the stuff of legend.
Gang Of Four
Bands whose 2nd or 3rd lp is the only good one in their canon?
Hold on! I love almost everything she has done but if I understand this thread correctly, if Bjork had quit after 'Debut' she would be still a legend.
Still kinda legendary though. A lot of these acts released an incredible debut, then fell off, tarnishing their reputation somewhat. Massive Attack have released two utter classics (Blue Lines and Mezzanine) and three okay-to-goods (Protection, 100th Window, Heligoland); a slow decline. If they'd stopped after Blue Lines, they'd still be held in high esteem due the sheer impact it had.
(Although Mezzanine was better)
Mezzanine is better, naysayers = moomins. I'm gonna use 'moonin' in regular speech from now on.
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