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I really couldn't give a shit.
I blame the skulking cunts who turn up to indie club nights. Despite what's blaring having moved on by a decade or two, these dead-eyed berks still request 'Waterfall' and stand silent and still, meters from the DJ booth, glaring at you all night. They come back to nag for their request every 25-35 minutes, getting slurrier and threatening more violence with every request, completely unable to comprehend the idea that you didn't think to buy a Stone Roses album especially for their request, because it obviously fits perfectly with The Knife or Animal Collective or whatever is currently playing at some club full of people having a good time...
p.s. Ian Brown has been 'performing' their 'hits' every night he's played a gig since they split.
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I love you, sean
let's all listen to The Seahorses instead
http://open.spotify.com/album/0e0jAwMyD3gUaCpBuiI3o3
Seahorses - Love is the Law
Most incredible lyrics....EVER:
http://www.lyricsty.com/seahorses-love-is-the-law-lyrics.html
-Strap-on Sally chased us down the alley
We feared for our behinds-
Genius
The Seahorses...
...the band the Stone Roses could've been.
Try
He Hates Roses :)
(And if you get bored and want to indulge in some mind-numbing conspiracy work, check out onelovestory: http://odell.connect-2.co.uk/ols.html - short version, Reni is the Messiah. Literally).
Brown didn't actually play SR songs at his solo shows
until the interest really started to wane.
only seen him twice
it didn't feel like there was any delineation between where his solo career songs and 'the hits'
F.E.A.R. is a tune tho, obvs.
To be fair...
Ian Brown didn't play any Roses songs until Glastonbury 2005, he solo career started in 1997. The album he released in 2005 bombed coincidently.
I also think Reni deserves some cash. They did all get screwed with that Silvertone deal.
deserves some cash?
never quite understood this justification for cashing in on and potentially defacing a legacy.
i should probably just close my laptop and go finish reading Retromania http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9501000/9501996.stm
If I was Reni or Squire
I would def do it now. The legacy has long since been fucked to a pulp by Mani and Brown, so might as well have some cash, instead of clinging on to some credibility that your former bandmates have destroyed.
is the past killing music?!
the past is already dead.
So the past is a zombie
eating the brains of the present's creativity? A shocking and dystopian vision. However, i do have my suspicions that it's balls.
the future just isn't what it used to be
but you could give a shit, obvs
as you've started a whining thread about them.
IF YOU DON'T CARE, WHY DID YOU REPLY?
OH SHIT, I GOT YOU!
Need to read that book
I was/am a huge fan. However, new music is what I predominantly listen too. Can't remember last time I put on the Roses.
I think there is a debate about the legacy of a great band. But, if you were in a band regarded like the Stone Roses are, but made hardly any money from it. There has to come a point where the filthy lucre becomes appealing. Especially when you sit in your bedsit and see the money the likes of Kings of Leon etc... are making these days.
As a fan: Please don't EVER reform. As a band member who is skint?
The Knife or Animal Collective
pretentious much?
and yes, Ian Brown pretty much refused to play any Stone Roses songs until the Eden Project in 2004/2005 time.
I'm not sure if the reunion will be any good, and am puzzled why they're doing it now, doesn't seem to fit in with anything and I'd have thought demand has waned, but they'll still sell out whatever outdoor show they'll put on in super-quick time...
They are doing it now
because there is a lucrative gap in the market for a heritage indie act to reform for 2012.
If they leave it more than another year or so
they'll be competing with the inevitable Oasis reunion
pretentious?
or pleasing to the kinds of crowds that i am sometimes asked to spin mp3s for?
you've just used the phrase
spin MP3s
If you spin mp3s instead of records
does that make you a knob-jockey rather than a disc-jockey?
To say you don't care
because heaven forbid some beered up lads might ask to play their old classics is a bit like somebody saying they don't like football beacuse football fans are hooligans.
The "average DiS users favorite band" is The National?
From where did you get that?
It's the same as any reformation. A lot of people like the music
so will be stoked to get the chance to see them if they missed them firtst time around. A lot of people don't like them and therefore think that the people who do are silly and say it's all a waste of time etc. and that the fans are scum. Look at all this Jeff Magnum stuff. Some people on her have been pretty much wetting themselves hoping to see him play Neutral Milk Hotel songs. Personally i have no interest whatsoever in it, and they all seem a bit silly to me. Horses for courses. (I saw the Stone Roses in their last tour in 1995 when i was 16, and thought it was amazing at that time. I am now not really that bothered about seeing them). That's all thanks.
Ian Brown only started playing Roses songs live many years after they split
But you're right about Stone Roses' requesters. However, only a complete dick would rather dance to Animal Collective than The Stone Roses.
I'd far rather dance to Destiny's Child and TLC, mate.
Well i creep, yeeeeaaaaahhhh
TLC=Euphoria
Why did you say Animal Collective or The Knife then?
Loser.
^so much this
AC produced one of the most danceable albums of the past 10 years though?
you're fucking dead, deep deep inside if you don't want to shake yr rump to brothersport
Unless you don't like Animal Collective
I wish Sean could be guest editir at the NME this week.
Would make tomorrow's front cover look a whole lot different.
are you looking forward to DiS' special Stone Roses week next week with tributes from The Enemy, The Twang, The Ordinary Boys and Terris + a commemorative poster, a special track by track guide to their upcoming setlist by Mani and the thoughts of Shaun Ryder on why Ian Brown should have gone on Big Brother...?
Hahahaha! Brilliant.
Is it going to include Reni compiling his Top 10 coolest people who ever wore a hat?
Doesn't mean
the Stone Roses aren't MASSIVELY overrated though
Their selling out a reunion tour
won't be about how much they're rated though. It'll be about how many people want to, and are prepared to pay good money, to see their original line-up play live.
*[move the last comma one word to the right]
What?
That's how being overrated works, everyone thinks they're really good but they're not = overrated.
If you're just talking about popularity
then every band is simly rated as it is rated and can be neither under- nor overrated. What are the under- and over- by reference to? Some objective standard?
i don't think DiSsers agree on much
Whenever we do have public votes, things like Fuck Buttons and SBTRKT are voted number 1.
I mean, I don't particularly like Radiohead...and I know a helluva lot of our users aren't that keen on The National.
I'm not trying to be contrary. It's a generational divide and I was hoping that someone might pipe up and help me understand why everyone's older a brother seems to love them. Meanwhile, I've got my snobby Paramore records to re-alphabetise.
I was 17 when the debut came out
And I guess that's why I love them. Right album, right time. It was a collection of perfect pop songs, one that seemed to me to be original, because I didn't know enough to spot the source material ('Velocity Girl', etc). If I'd been older, it would have been Unknown Pleasures or the first Smiths album or London Calling.
And at the time we hadn't suffered through five years of anticipation for an average second album. We hadn't laughed at Reading 96. We hadn't seen the delicate pop gems of the first album turned into brain dead rock by the likes of Oasis and their successors. Looking back now, the Roses seem like the forerunners of all that's bad about English music. But that's not their fault.
Oh and
I'd love to be at a club that played Waterfall along with AC and the Knife....but maybe I'm the only one...
Paramore
that says it all
Are the Knife and Animal Collective heritage acts yet?
The Knife haven't released anything in half a decade, and Animal Collective haven't released a decent album in over half a decade.
Is 'If I Had a Heart' the new 'F.E.A.R.'?
To correct you,
The Knife did release Tomorrow, In A Year last year.
*ever.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-15333782
If someone's playing Animal Collective in a club
you can guarantee people aren't having a good time.
um, how about no
you've not heard Brothersport then
This is going well isn't it?
Aw gawd
Let people have their fun.
I was too young to catch the live, and would love the opportunity to see them.
You know,
you can like and be nostalgic about old music as well as championing new music.
It is allowed. They're not mutually exclusive.
Is this the right place to delcare that I quite liked John Squires solo stuff?
No... no it isn't.
christ mother, calm down.
Taking into account how protracted this reunion has been
considering there hasn't actually been an announcement yet, I would absolutely love it if it was just a massive exercise in trolling.
I don't really care if they reform or not
but everytime I hear the debut I'm amazed how good it is. It's weird 'cos, when I've not heard it for a while I start to think it's over-rated but then you listen to it and think "that's a fucking good song", "that's a fucking good song", "that's a fucking good song" pretty much all the way through.
A reformation'd be shit obviously. Reformations usually are.
I still sometimes think
"that's a fucking good song" about some songs on Second Coming even. When I listen to it. About once every three years.
"I have no desire whatsoever to desecrate the grave of seminal Manchester pop group The Stone Roses."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7954447.stm
:DDDD
Gonna play Heaton Park, Manchester apparently
http://www.gigwise.com/news/68033/The-Stone-Roses-To-Announce-Reunion-Shows-At-Manchester%27s-Heaton-Park
From NME:
So it's official: there will be two shows at Manchester's Heaton Park on June 29th and 30th, followed by a world tour. And The Stone Roses will be playing NEW SONGS.
.
Three grumpy tweets about it now Sean? This has really got to you, hasn't it!
i genuinely loved Dog Eat Dog!
Does Cressa know anything about this?
I will completely change my mind on this
if they refuse to play any old songs. Just for the lols.
Yet DIS wanked itself silly when Pavement reformed.
I'll be going and I'll have a good time singing along to the songs i love. I'd rather see a shit Roses tribute act that Animal Collective any day.
Pavement have a ton of better songs though
:P
That's not actually news, is it, i
No, from now on if this site still doesn't work properly I just flatly refuse to finish my interrupted post so it makes sense.
what happened when your post 'broke'? or did you click tab and then enter?
Ah, something I missed in the original post.
Obviously you'd play Stone Roses over Animal Collective in a club. Or your home. Or your stereo. Or any other environment.
Cheers sean
Your bizarre tendency to play Animal Collective in a club has got every 'Animal Collective are rubbish lolz' pillock going now.
I was going to dispute being a pillock but the fact I'd not posted six other people post the same thing suggests otherwise...
quick someone do an
animal collective stone roses mashup to piss EVERYBODY off
I don't even particularly like AnCo
and I love AnCo
but don't think they have any songs that would sound good 'in da club'.
this whole thread is an ever-unwinding ball of string
I love The Stone Roses AND Animal Collective
have that.
animal collective's My Girls used to go down VERY well indeed
at our club. once i even saw Simian Mobile Disco start a set at the Warehouse Project with it in front of 2,000 people.
I used to think Sean had a heart
if he doesn't like the Stone Roses though, well ... I ... I just don't know anymore ....
The Skulking Cunts and The Dead-Eyed Berks have been
confirmed as support for the Heaton Park gigs. Animal Collective wanted to do it but were thought to be to shit.
All my friends are excited
I'm not?
Is this supposed to be a pisstake of the Roses reaction
or is it actually a terribly written piece? http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/18/steps-reunion-90s-band-revival
I think the debut is a good album
Really strong melodies. However, I don't think they're a 'special' band or buy into the myth, so I'll look forward to watching whichever festival show is shown on the TV as they don't have a legacy to piss on in my opinion.
The Stone Roses are reforming?
Really? First I've heard about this...
I hope they play that backwards one. That was well pioneering.
Seans of the world unite againt The Stone Roses
Loz will be here in a minute too
We've spent many a night in the Pink Toothbrush sneering at the chavs dancing with girls and coping a bed buddy whilst waiting for Six by seven to come on.
I think we know who the winners are there...
Forwards
If Brown sings the songs backwards and the band plays them forwards, maybe he'll hit more of the right notes by chance.
I like how this thread has gone.
Heaton Park eh?
I wonder if they'll get as big a crowd as when Pope John Paul II played there - I think he did I Am The Resurrection as his encore too
I'm currently listening to Turns Into Stone
Elephant Stone, Mersey Paradise, Where Angels Play ... just perfect songwriting. And these were three songs that didn't even make the cut for the debut album, which has seven or eight more absolute indie classics on there. I just can't understand how people who like melodic indie pop music can not like The Stone Roses, and not only that, but actively and fervently dislike them.
Boring post that I have no doubt has been said already, but yeah.
What The World Is Waiting For
Standing Here
etc.
Fuck tha hatrz.
Something about
the huge amount of fuss that is made about what was essentially a decent melodic indie band, nothing more. Something about how they, perhaps inadvertently, set the template for the arrogant Manc indie gobshite and however much you might like a few of their tunes, thousands of brain-dead idiots trying to ram it down your throat that these here boys were "the best band ever, total legends, made the best debut ever made" (they didn't) - all this is massively irksome and off-putting and gets away from the fact that they were essentially just a decent melodic indie band with half a good first album, half a good second album and some extra material that possibly should have been on the official albums. They were clever chaps and had quite literate lyrics but you would never know it from the knuckle-dragging hoardes that pay daily worship at the altar of the Roses, up to their necks in it, rubbing your face in it, putting on fake Manc accents when they're from Nuneaton or Derby, all 'mad fer it' and 'Tune!'. It all puts me off. Simple as. It's not Squire's fault. It's possibly Brown's. It's certainly Mani's. I can like some of the music but the rest of the guff that is tied up with The Stone Roses, I can do without.
^ Chippy
You shouldn't let it wind you up and should just enjoy the music for what it is. And the music's actually better than you make it sound. I'll be impressed if you can name a much better "melodic indie" song from the last 25 years than She Bangs The Drums.
*Waterfall
*I Am The Resurrection
*10 Storey Love Song
*Sally Cinnamon
*Made of Stone
*etc etc etc
LOADS of amazing songs.
All the same songs though
WTFF?!
I said they all sound the same
^ Deaf
Can't be bothered to play that game, son
if you love animal collective so much why dont you just marry them
My band covers Waterfall
and I bet we do it better.
has ian brown learnt how to sing yet?
seems to be the general mood the nation
http://twitter.com/#!/seaninsound/status/126357024337432576
Tune. Bucket. No.
If he's taking any singing lessons since 2009, it might be a better prospect.
His voice was seven different kinds of awful.
lol at the American
It's a little british invention called 'sarcasm'
Typically hyperbolic reaction from the NME
http://www.nme.com/blog/index.php?blog=10&p=11247&title=the_stone_roses_reform_the_event_of_the_&more=1&c=1
the nme is pretty much the daily mail of music journalism
and yet, i'm fucking fascinated by it. it's like repeatedly jumping into a world of trained apes and trying to understand what's going on, before shaking your head and leaving this strange new world, feeling strangely used and really really digging the new kele single even though you know it was wank really when you hear it again in a couple of months.
Gah! Sean! With your cunning thread titles you have tricked me yet again!
If I didn't have an adblocker on, I'd've just made you 1p.
you'd need to look at about 1000 page to make me 1p!
you haven't thought this website scheme through have you
this music journalism lark will never make any money like that
i may be a total sap
but experiencing "This Is The One" played by the original lineup blasting from a wall of Marshall stacks would cause the 15 year old me still living in me somewhere to burst out of the 30-something year old me in a flash of geeky, exhilarating rapture. I'm not sure I could stand it.
They were on good form in the press conference:
http://www.youtube.com/user/thestonerosesmcr#p/a/u/1/D6itFMuO6Os
http://www.youtube.com/user/thestonerosesmcr#p/a/u/0/zZrvvxeYGYE
At least they have quenched their thirst.
The question is if their fans will say the same.
The drummer looks like a bank manager
I think it was the drummer
He's actually the most annoying fucking man in the world
Why does he keep butting in? As if anyone wants to hear what he has to say over Ian or John
Reni's not going to make a world tour is he?
Just got round to watching the press conference. Not convinced he wants to be there.
He always used to be a bit of an odd character, but not like that. I bet they've got Robbie Maddix's number on speed dial just in case.
He's a drummer.
An incredibly accomplished drummer by indie standards (particularly back then)
and a wonderful backing singer to boot!
incredible though
watch him play like a motherfucker on the blackpool live film
apparently he was the best guitarist too...
but was the only one decent enough on the drums. He was as part of their sound as squire. looks a bit out of place now though, agreed.
On the subject of drummers...
They are often a very underrated but important part of a band I find.
Why do you think Led Zep called it a day when Bonham had one too many vodkas? They knew they couldn't replace him. I'm not saying every great band has to have a great drummer, but it can go a long way.
When a band is revered as much as they are
peoples hatred of them is ramped up to absurd levels.
They have some excellent songs and some folk try way too hard to hate bands for no reason apart from their popularity.
The Knife are a wanky load of pretentious 'art' bollocks live.
And I really love them, and always have, so it took a lot for me to walk out.
As shit are the Stone Roses are, I probably would've had a better time at one of their gigs.
Nice to see that they've got Jerry from Phoenix Nights in to play the drums
:D
also one of the best drummers in rock/pop....once. lets hope he's still got it.
Mash
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-%26-entertainment/stone-roses-confirm-gig-cancellations-201110194437/
Sean, I don't know if I am in anyway like you, but i felt pretty much the same...
however on thinking about it, I think I spoiled the Idea of the Stone Roses for myself by merging my perception of their latter day fans - The thuggish, laddish liamalikes that co opted the stone roses as one of their bands with their music...
There's always been a definite feminine energy to The Stone Roses and a sense of longing, that didn't really rear its head in any of the acts that they inspired (Other than the bluetones) and was all but forgotten by the time you got to the bands oasis inspired..
I think that's all too easy to forget when faced with the kind of people who request "the roses" in the way you describe. I know I forgot.
I want to say, I think i was wrong to lump the fandom with the music and write both off, the music itself is really rather excellent and should be separated from that which sprang up in it's wake and hijacked it.
There is a whole lot of truth in this ^^
I think my brain might be equally clouded.
Strong Posting
Its sort of like nevermind
Band who cited it as an influence were usually terrible..the whole nu metal thing. but the record itself stands up
Probably the best comment I've read in this thread...
...and it pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter. Excellent point on the feminine energy too, I don't think there's another guitar band who as many of my female friends like. There was/is a laddish element associated with the band but that wasn't what they were originally about.
this is exactly what i was trying to say
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2011/oct/19/stone-roses-soundtrack-generation?CMP=twt_gu
It's a load of bollocks though isn't it? Some opinion piece by some youth trying to be contrary.
Who really cares if he doesn't like the Stone Roses. Just don't listen to or buy stuff by them or about them. And if there is an article in a newspaper about them, then don't read it. If they're on TV, turn it over. He's basically having a hissy fit because a lot of people like something that he doesn't. I've never liked X-Factor, which a lot of people do, so i don't watch it. Same with Formula 1.
.
So much this. It's a needlessly snipey article that doesn't add anything to the debate. Not that there should be a debate really.
it's pretty shameless guardian bloggery
there's a much more interesting argument to be made aginst this, but you know, tyhey do it for the traffic and it works.
That writer is a total tool - he wrote that Professor Green profile in this weekend's guide, which was possibly the most hackneyed pieve of sycophantic churnalism I've read this year.
Woah.
How can you not like Formula 1?!
hahaha
this about sums you up... fuckin' grow a pair!
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/original/000/000/177/trolling.jpg?1240802377
Bullshit you're no different from him
yeah, actually I'd revise my bluetones comment above, to include blur
and probably the charlatans, It's odd, until today I'd kind of forgotten that baggy, didn't actually mean "laddy" and that it wasn't actually until loaded magazine came out in 1994 that "laddy" became a thing.
well, Loaded set out its stall as a lads magazine in 94-
however yeah, I'd agree with you it wasn't until later that it hit big...
Blur have said that She's So High was basically them trying to sound like the Stone Roses
I'd take more issue with the writer namechecking New Order there. What a tool
Interesting fact from that article
Ian Brown has appeared on five NME covers this decade, Dizzee Rascal just one.
WTFs that all about then
what...
that you agree with a 21 year old arrogant hipster/Guardian writer?
this lad sounds like an absolute kno
this lad sounds like an absolute knob
This writer sounds like an absolute knob
£55 plus fees
for anyone that's interested.
I'm not.
I just heard this too
You have to be kidding. I think they did one and a half great albums out of two, which is not bad going. I'd be interested to hear another album. BUT I've heard Ian Brown sing live.
£55!?!?
http://youtu.be/-1mvN6lU0oU
Ian Brown played in York last year at a 350-capacity venue
Tickets were £40. It sold out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0hjSaYCRnA&feature=related
I loved the way Brown laid into the Dail Mail hack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zZrvvxeYGYE#t=422s
:D No one ever votes tory do they
since some people seem to have such issues with them as a live band ...
how about covers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfYryLGUX58
God you're a sad bastard.
How fucking old are you?
Threads that have been derailed by talk about Animal Collective.
Any chance that Ian Brown has learnt to sing in tune?
Didn't think so. Nevertheless I don't blame them for going for the money - they got absolutely shafted by Silvertone Records so I'm not sure how much money they actually made from their debut despite numerous re-releases. They were a pivotal band back in the day and there definitely felt like their was a tangible and exciting indie scene back then and a huge buzz about their album and singles. I remember one guy at college who had it on constant play on his walkman as if no other band existed. My indie friends seemed to be split into two camps - those who had seen the Stone Roses at Spike Island and those who only wish they had.
I'm far too old to know if there are similar buzzing music scenes nowadays (internet killing music, mp3s don't mean anything, kids don't know they're born, man marries goat etc...)that might produce the same kind of band reunion interest in 20 years time. I guess as well that the Stone Roses could have gone on to achieve Oasis-level stadium-filling success for years if only they hadn't had the legal wrangles after the first album etc... so a lot of people feel like they missed the chance to see them first time round.
The Insider has some exclusive thoughts on the return of the Stone Roses
http://drownedinsound.com/in_depth/4143982-the-insider--the-stone-roses-amp-the-resurrection-blues
so
You're not mad fer it then?
I'm a whole generation removed
find it good to hear someone from the band's generation feeling similar about it, and what it means for the current state of things.
of course
By putting that up, the site is in fact benefitting from the extra coverage and traffic such an article ill bring you.
The irony!
agree with this...
it's a little sad that this is likely to be the first gig that my friends and acquaintances have been to in at least a decade. In fact the last album they bought was probably either the Kings of Leon or that blooming Adele.
The thought of being surrounded by thousands of middle aged middle class people reliving an experience they didn't have outside of the Student Disco in the 90's makes me feel quite sad.
Having not listened to the Roses debut in about 10 years and not thinking it was all that great outside of having a nostalgic trip, I feel I'm not missing out. Plenty of new bands to listen to and see.
Really good article.
Got it pretty much spot on.
The T in the Park announcement this week amuses me. I know lots of folk who will go wanting to see The Stone Roses. It makes me laugh to think that even if they do put on a good show, all their favourite songs will be ruined by the constant chant of...
HERE WE!
HERE WE!
HERE WE FUCKIN' GO!
Scotland's shame.
support acts announced
http://www.thestoneroses.org/
:|
Kid British?!
hahahahahahahahaha
just when I thought this forum was alright
I'm reminded what a bunch of moody, elitist old fucking whiny wankers many of you are.
stone roses
good first album, who gives a shit if people want to hear waterfall. Animal Collective, great colourful dancy music, again I'd have a fucking great time dancing to Brothersport and the like. The Knife, again good band. WHO GIVES A FUCK.
you seem to have won that argument with yourself pal
sorry
I'm just so surprised by how hard it is for people to just enjoy music and not look past all this heritage, scene bollocks. I didn't realise it was an implied crime to love Stone Roses and Animal Collective.
The Roses reformation won Event Of The Year at the public-voted NME awards
That's a healthy state for the popular end of independent slanted music in 2012, is it?
ROCKS / prm scrm
= good pint-of-piss throwing tune. i.. expect.
????
What you mean with "good pint-of-piss throwing tune. i.. expect"?
*prml scrm i man.