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it seems to be pretty much down to relentless touring as far as I can tell. Which I have to grudgingly respect.
See you at Wembley?
daytime radio1 support helped, i reckon
I wouldn't know about Radio 1 because I'm a try-hard indie bellend.
I'm just comparing the fact that I once saw Million Dead in a tiny room and now this has happened without me even noticing how huge he'd become.
I remember being surprised when he sold out Shepherd's Bush, then being REALLY surprised when he sold out Brixton a year or so/an album later.
Last time I saw him was upper echelons of the Latitude main stage last year - he's totally taken to the big crowds in a way, yeah, anyone who saw Million Dead would never have expected.
is that despite selling out those shacks, he doesn't sell more than a car boot full of singles
England Keep My Bones charted at 12 with 11,780 first week sales.
and it hasn't worked for, say, Pulled Apart By Horses (though in the current popular climate there may be other reasons for that)
Now unlike most people I don't actually hate him so there's no 'how on earth has this happened he's a load of shite' bias but.... how on earth has this happened?
it really wasn't
Brixton and Hammersmith Apollo.
Hey, worth a punt from his point of view. If it works, then he'll be on another level. I'm sure he'll sell enough for it not too lose money
You know when you say stuff like 'I prefer their early stuff' and people say you are a music snob or whatever. Well with Turner it's true. The Campfire PunkRock EP and then first two albums were awesome. As of course were Million Dead. But everything since then has been dog shit. I genuinely don't understand how he has become so popular. All his new songs are boring and rubbish and shit. What's wrong with people.
Don't understand what people like. Doesn't make any sense to me. Sure he will pack it though.
I've not heard the new songs, but if they're boring and rubbish and shit then he obviously hasn't changed his style since the old days.
but as someone who used to go see Million Dead all the time, uh, wow.
especially impressive since he's stuck with his (fairly) teeny label since the start, and it took Biffy making the jump to Warners to get to Wembley.
They wouldn't have accomplished the same thing.
They changed their sound as much as their marketing team.
to the sound of the foo fighters, but with non-sensical lyrics. Acres better, right?
was surrounded by people only a few years younger than me really, who were absolutely rapturebound by it and seemed to love it, I'd never heard a note of him and hated every single minute (metronomy were on after). Was stood with mates stock still, feeling out of touch...
you, my friend*, are the terrible cunt
without reason? No?
about 2000 obese northern DIY™ 4LYFE 30 something recovering emos to celebrate the only half decent looking pinup from their 'scene'
They'll all be about 26/27, wearing shorts that come down to the middle of their shins and hoodies with the hoods up to hide the smell of their white dreads /hide the fact from their peers that they've had to shave off their white dreads since getting a job in accountancy. They are also likely to have a baffling love of poi.
it's generally just dorky middle class students who get over-excited, or ex-dorky middle class students who are still getting over-excited
Because that's brusma's job.
if you think about it, if i was replying like this in every thread, it'd make you want to kill yourself, so look on this as a good thing.
so he probably got a few fans that way and ACTUALLY if you think about it, that type of earnest worthy angsty acoustic punk thing (I realise that is not a term of art) made them (Green Day) one of the biggest bands in the world so maybe this news isn't quite such a surprise, yeah?
the kids in hoodies who thought Greenday's Time of Your Life was the mutts nuts are now sneering at kids who like their own acoustic punk. How very awesome.
I remember seeing him at a charity gig in brick lane two years ago. Wouldn't say I was a fan as such, but fair play he's doing well.
he was one of the few bands to turn up to that final Astoria show so he deserves all the good karma in the world for seeing out the best venue in London. Although now I come to think of who else played that night maybe I wouldn't wish massive success on all of them...
and he's great live. Well done to him.
he's not been off the road for about five years (and over 1000 solo shows) but playing Wembley is insane. It was no time at all ago he was playing my flatmates old kitchen (BEFORE HE WAS FAMOUS!!!111!!!).
Or a bit earlier?
he played the 2006 one as well though. i put him on in the little room as well, it was so rammed and so hot it was practically misty in there.
BEST THING EVER.
I saw him play to about 30 people when the Bristol FOPP reopened a couple of years back.
So there'll be plenty of other bands to help bring people in. Like others have said he's done it the right way, by touring forever. But I just remember seeing him at Reading a few years back, when all the kids joined in, singing extra loud on the swear words. I felt sick. I don't like his music or his lyrics and I'll bitterly (and fruitlessly) hope it sells no tickets and gets cancelled.
that had Slayer playing it that got cancelled because of 9/11.
[it’ll be an all-dayer type affair] - is a quote from Frank's website.
specifically how many indie points should i allocate?
Definitely worth vomiting over. Fun is disgusting.
Love him or loathe him, it's good to see a man with a genuine passion for music and a fantastic work ethic succeed. Oh, first post.
I'd rather see a lazy, hypertalented genius who doesn't actually give a flying fuck about music make Wembley
I thought this was a troll when I first saw it.
back in about 2006 when I saw it playing in Newcastle.
that surprised me enough. jeesy creesy.
(million dead were the best band ever, frank turner solo had some great songs but is mainly very bad)
was in my mate's kitchen, in Bangor
the one in the video of his that I saw, then dropping a bomb on Wembley that night would significantly lower the UK's cunt count.
I'm not a fan of Frank Turner, but some of the comments on here are pretty fucking aggressive. What the hell has he done to inspire such furious rancour?
My gig line-up from hell.
was cool anymore
is that he will genuinely find this level of pant-wetting ire amusing.
Went from Million Dead to a solo career with Xtra Mile, one of the UK's indie gems. Now signed to Epitaph, who love or loathe these days you have to respect.
Gigs constantly, and has won the respect of a lot of bands that it's hard to earn the respect of - Gurewitz, and Ragan and Hardcourt etc. Covers really good songs when he does covers. Supports younger bands and helps them tour. Has stayed loyal to managers, agents and friends during rise to fame.
I like his stuff - not all but most - and while I have no objection to people not liking his music, people calling him a cunt etc.... are basically massive, massive dickheads.
definitely suggest he's someone who doesn't just get behind any old shit
if you genuinely don't respect the way that epitaph has treated its bands and its fans... you don't know enough about them
but Epitaph was hoovering up third-rate knockoffs of its two or three big bankers in like 1998 never mind now
they've managed to survive and support better acts by using the money from those knockoffs to finance it.
I'm not going to argue that` Bring Me the Horizon are good, of course, but I'll argue they're necessary to allow the laden coffers to be pointed at real talent. Otherwise the label will just die a death altogether.
but the reason i got the thanks is that i helped to get him a new guitar, and the reason I got him a new guitar... is that i *like his music* and i think he *goes about things in a better way than most musicians.*
Do you need a diagram or something? I can use smaller words?
just couldn't remember if it was you or someone else i heard that about
in way-too-angry mode at the moment and it's seeping onto this thread.
The levels of vitriol confuse the hell out of me.
He's utterly inoffensive musically (probably to a fault) and as has been said seems to have done things the 'right-way'
I've seen him a couple of times at festivals and in support slots, he's a fairly charismatic performer (when not with his band) and I can definitely see why people like him despite him not really doing it for me.
The hatred just seems really weird to me?
i think too many people who arent hardcore music fans love him, and that's somehow offensive to the posters here who are too busy pushing their dicks through limited edition red vinyls of okay bands they saw once who never quite made it.
But that's just a guess.
Doesn't seem like Frank Turner does that often either though, I know there is ongoing beef with Luke Leighfield on here, is there some similar DiS Frank Turner backstory I'm missing out on?
He's throw-things-at-the-radio terrible.
His appeal lies mainly in 14/15 year old kids who can get nice and swept up in his sixth-form politics and harmless rabble-rousing whilst the rest of us can find it all somewhat endearing?
And like I say, even if you do find it throw-things-at-the-radio terrible the level of hatred still seems undeserved, there are plenty of acts out there as bad or worse than him who get away scot free.
Is he meant to be a cock on a personal level or something in addition to a dislike of his music?
when someone says they hate Coldplay or a band name they are assumed to hate the music etc, not necessarily the people (though yes often is), when I say I hate Frank Turner, I am saying I hate the music etc, but since band name and person are the same name it's hard to disassociate it from just personal hate. I don't know the man, sure he's lovely in person, but any opinion on the music was soured by catching him live and finding him anything but my thing.
Having said that I'm sure he eats babies and steals from orphans or something ;)
A lot of people here aren't just saying they hate him (meaning his music) though, they're calling him a cunt which can't exactly be misconstrued as simply not liking his music.
I'm basically just curious as to whether there is any actual reason people think he's a cunt beyond normal internet exageration and hyperbole (Can hyperbole be used in the negative as well?)
He's a solo artist, so there's no-one else to blame for his awful, awful, buskerish, forced, disingenuous rehash of the last two-minutes of Waiting For The Great Leap Forward.
Maybe his producer is a cunt as well. And anyone who's ever recommended him a guitar.
doesn't make him a "terrible cunt". So what's that about?
His music gives off the impression that it would be good in large spaces. (saw him at reading this year on the main stage and it was great).
pleased for his success, couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
But as someone who was 'well in' to Million Dead and his first couple of solo albums, seeing him live many many times, I am bemused by his increasing success alongside the declining quality of his albums (in my view).
because yeah, when i listen to harmony no harmony, i think: this was a silly thing to walk away from.
But while the last couple albums have certainly been finding their feet, I like Keep My Bones a lot more than other recent efforts
Saw him a few times in tiny little venues in Oxford in 2006, and interviewed him at the start of 2007 for the student paper just after Sleep Is For The Week came out (just reread the transcript from that which is saved on my laptop - forgot how incredibly talkative he was). Last time I saw him was Latitude last year, he seemed incredibly at home in front of a huge mid-afternoon main-stage crowd.
because I properly loved pretty much everything he produced from the homemade demo through to album 2. Maybe the problem is I over listened to him, but I've gradually lost interest and reached the point where I've not bought the new album or gone to the last couple of tours.
Either i find him more MOR now, or maybe that's what he's always been like and it's just not what I'm into anymore.
Can't see it being the new Million Dead though.
for the record, the reason I loathe him is because I genuinely think he makes the worst music I've ever heard. And his lyrics should have been written by an over-earnest 14 year-old. It would be less embarassing and produce the same results.
That's quite a good reason to hate him really.
can we have a weekly thread where someone Xylo likes personally get slagged off? I met Frank Turner once; nice guy, stupid tattoos, music that was fine. Fair play to him for plugging away at it and making what he likes a success.
The Get Up Kids, and i swear to living fuck i will go completely akira.
and seeing them twice last year was really really special...
but the new stuff is just total gash :(
I'm not seeing them on this current tour because I don't want to watch them play that crap live, and I want my lasting memory of TGUK to be them smashing through the classics at Reading last year with me (drunk, and on my own because no one I was with wanted to see them) and about 100 other people down the front going utterly mental for it.
designed by Xylopwn!
You should JAG it on here, would go down well I expect.
at least there's a likelihood the *real* shit heads would buy it just to criticize.
...been completely, completely oblivious to this Turner chap's rise to the top. I have never knowingly heard a note of his music. Weird.
My Dad asked me if I liked him about a year ago. Not entirely sure why...
I never went.
the way Frank Turner has gone about his business? I really doubt he cares whether or not he has my respect.
Frank Turner's music is, in my opinion, offensively bad. That other people (and in relatively large numbers) find music that I actively dislike enjoyable doesn't surprise me- often, that relationship is reversed. So I don't understand why it's of particular interest that he's playing Wembley. Yeah, I saw him play in tiny dumps to 4 people years ago, but plenty of pop stars were singing to perverted old men in shitty clubs before being spotted. No-one (to my knowledge) was born on the Wembley Arena stage.
xylopwn- stop posting in this thread.
or a Million Dead song. That's all I have to offer.
never be able to get a break. Something like this should only be celebrated regardless of whether you like it or not? In the same week fucking steps announce an arena tour I welcome news like this.