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James Blake rails against dubstep's emerging "frat-boy market"

springirly [Edit] [Delete] 95 replies 23:04, 28 September '11

James Blake comments on his frustrations with the levels of testosterone in the current dubstep,what do you think about?

http://www.dbhills.com/James-Blake-comments-about-dubstep-scene-frat-boy-market

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its basically nu-metal but 10 years on

peaceboner | 28 Sep '11, 23:07 | X

Icarus-Smicarus, drcoffeebean, Anthonyc, and thekidswhopoptoday this'd this
- Whos the limb bizkit of dubstep then?
  
  Bombtrack @peaceboner | 28 Sep '11, 23:49 | X
  - Skrillex
    
    obvs
    
    Body_In_The_Thames @Bombtrack | 28 Sep '11, 23:51 | X
    
    peaceboner and Ichor this'd this
  - I believe it's this
    
    http://soundcloud.com/punpzmusic/korn-and-skrillex-get-up
    
    GoffBoy @Bombtrack | 29 Sep '11, 23:31 | X
    - Oh, didn't check the article
      
      It's there.
      
      Still stands though.
      
      GoffBoy @GoffBoy | 29 Sep '11, 23:32 | X
  - nero
    
    Walsandrew @Bombtrack | 30 Sep '11, 14:03 | X
- well, it's more like the clash between the logical progression style drum n bass and the Bad Company end of the market
  
  but yeah, i see the obvious Nu-Metal comparison too.
  
  pieces_of_reece @peaceboner | 29 Sep '11, 10:00 | X
I don't know. What am I supposed to think about it?

simon_t | 28 Sep '11, 23:07 | X
wub

guntrip | 28 Sep '11, 23:08 | X
- womp
  
  drcoffeebean @guntrip | 28 Sep '11, 23:11 | X
  
  eoin this'd this
  - G-g-g-guess I got my swagger back WOMP WOMP WOMP WOMP WAAAAHHHH
    
    hip_young_gunslinger @drcoffeebean | 29 Sep '11, 16:13 | X
    
    Cementimental this'd this
Is James Blake heading for a fall?

Icarus-Smicarus | 28 Sep '11, 23:10 | X

drcoffeebean and WhiteLightWhiteCity this'd this
- what do u think, bb?
  
  navajo @Icarus-Smicarus | 28 Sep '11, 23:47 | X
He's right.

cronenberg | 28 Sep '11, 23:21 | X

brainfeeder, awaythecrowroad, badmanreturns, SCROTUM, hanshotfirst, andyvine, blobcow, r_o_r_y, drcoffeebean, incandenza_, medulla, and Ymmit this'd this
paging brightonb

is he still banned???

fiddygent | 28 Sep '11, 23:31 | X
- brightonb is banned???
  
  Wow I missed something there - how did he finally push Sean to the limit?
  
  badgertastic @fiddygent | 28 Sep '11, 23:38 | X
  - somebody asked to ban him and now he's not here, at all.
    
    I assumed his banned. I think for the site's redesign we should have a list of all the people that are currently banned on in the 'sin bin'. A little bit like the 'these people has not allowed in this shop' signs you have in some stores. It would help make everything more transparent. For instance does CG keep on getting banned or does he just like changing his user name every couple of months.
    
    fiddygent @badgertastic | 28 Sep '11, 23:44 | X
    
    andyvine this'd this
  - Pretty sure he was banned for being a cunt in the RIP DJ Mehdi thread.
    
    joeymahone @badgertastic | 29 Sep '11, 12:26 | X
    
    Body_In_The_Thames this'd this
    - *every thread
      
      Cementimental @joeymahone | 30 Sep '11, 13:20 | X
His cheeks are fucking weird

why has no one mentioned this before

still_here | 28 Sep '11, 23:40 | X
- His face is usually all blurry.
  
  Maybe they've gone weird from shaking his head around too much.
  
  Icarus-Smicarus @still_here | 29 Sep '11, 00:35 | X
  - Fuck Mini Babybel!
    
    Body_In_The_Thames @Icarus-Smicarus | 29 Sep '11, 12:09 | X
    
    Icarus-Smicarus this'd this
apropos of nothing

macho-ism should be machismo
the -ism splits the prefix

Body_In_The_Thames | 28 Sep '11, 23:42 | X
- alright there cedric?
  
  codpieceface @Body_In_The_Thames | 29 Sep '11, 01:31 | X
Oh noes! Dubstep is garnering mainstream acceptance!

Time to jump ship! Amirite?

BladeJB343 | 29 Sep '11, 00:25 | X
- here we go
  
  Body_In_The_Thames @BladeJB343 | 29 Sep '11, 00:28 | X
  
  medulla this'd this
- it happened last year
  
  barely anyone good is left around 140bpm anymore...
  
  awaythecrowroad @BladeJB343 | 29 Sep '11, 00:39 | X
lol'd hard

Mehodor | 29 Sep '11, 00:51 | X
Skrillex rails against dubstep's continuing "wet sissy white boy soul dubstep"

watch this space

SCROTUM | 29 Sep '11, 01:29 | X
absolutely agree, but you know

as an indie kid my tribe has always been that aligned against testosterone fueled music for well adjusted macho men lol

Tiresias | 29 Sep '11, 01:52 | X
dubstep had 'an ethos'

wow, who knew?

cliquester | 29 Sep '11, 04:34 | X
- good ILM thread on "brostep" from a while back:
  
  http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?action=showall&boardid=41&threadid=88861
  
  joeymahone @cliquester | 29 Sep '11, 12:31 | X
  - I didn't reply here
    
    joeymahone @joeymahone | 29 Sep '11, 12:35 | X
wob

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL5U1iWeP3w

f'ing gerds

Poke | 29 Sep '11, 12:30 | X

SCROTUM this'd this
pot calling the kettle boring

Cementimental | 29 Sep '11, 12:34 | X
I agree with him.

Not on the 'straying from its ethos' stuff, but that the aggressive sounding wobble music is dogdirt.

I've never seen dancing as ridiculous than at one of those nights.

wrightylew | 29 Sep '11, 12:53 | X
- Is that the finger-pointy thing
  
  i don't get it. It's silly. Why would you ever do that it doesn't look cool.
  
  still_here @wrightylew | 29 Sep '11, 13:39 | X
Also 'emerging'

Hasn't this divide between the so-called 'macho-step' and the apparently more cerebral stuff been around for years now. I mean how long ago was Chainsaw Calligraphy? 2-3 years? We're way past the fact now. I thought everyone had just accepted the separate sounds and got on with it.

Also 'a direct misrepresentation of the sound as far as I'm concerned.' - i'm curious to know, as the clear ambassador of Dubstep, what the sound should be represented as?

Poke | 29 Sep '11, 13:38 | X
- feist covers
  
  shit_post @Poke | 29 Sep '11, 13:49 | X
  
  revgreen this'd this
- I think he's making the (resonable) point that if you say .'dubstep'. in the USofA that means SkrillexAngryBroStomp
  
  and he's distancing both himself and the genre from that tag (or trying to )
  
  Body_In_The_Thames @Poke | 29 Sep '11, 13:49 | X
  - There's plenty of DJs over there
    
    that have been in tune since the start and no what's what. If he's talking about the popularised version of dubstep, as it also appears in the UK, then it's not really worth the effort of rallying against. Just look at what happened when rave crossed over in the states... http://bit.ly/n4L1Xa
    
    Poke @Body_In_The_Thames | 29 Sep '11, 13:56 | X
    
    revgreen this'd this
    - I wen to a 'rave' somewhere on the beltway around Washington DC in 1995
      
      it was hell - in a Walmart meets Prodigy kind of a way
      
      :(
      
      Body_In_The_Thames @Poke | 29 Sep '11, 17:38 | X
  - This.
    
    It's difficult to tell people over on this shore what I've been listening to these days. "Well, dubstep, but nothing at all like what the word means to you."
    
    I suddenly have a lot of sympathy with the people who listened to emo when suddenly the term shifted from American Football to My Chemical Romance.
    
    shoeshined @Body_In_The_Thames | 5 Oct '11, 01:44 | X
- Chainsaw Calligraphy
  
  is pretty much the only dubstep track I like :3
  
  Cementimental @Poke | 30 Sep '11, 12:41 | X
quote - not going to appeal to women - unquote

rly? i saw queues for a couple of dubstep nights in 'the north' last year and it was a good 75% women.

ps. wub

shadyadie | 29 Sep '11, 14:12 | X
- That quote made me "lol" for a quite a bit
  
  Annoying_person @shadyadie | 29 Sep '11, 14:35 | X
  - women love wubs
    
    shadyadie @Annoying_person | 29 Sep '11, 15:53 | X
    - wuv wubs
      
      Cementimental @shadyadie | 29 Sep '11, 17:11 | X
      - wub wubs
        
        Icarus-Smicarus @Cementimental | 29 Sep '11, 23:13 | X
does anyony here actually hear like james blake?

Walsandrew | 29 Sep '11, 14:50 | X
- I do reasonably
  
  think this is pretty ace
  http://www.pitchfork.com/tv/pitchfork-music-festival/1742-2011/2805-james-blake-cmyk/
  
  Tiresias @Walsandrew | 29 Sep '11, 15:05 | X
- As a person or his music?
  
  Sorry being facetious but yeah i like CMYK and Klavierwerke particularly. The album is alright but cant see myself listening to it much down the line. As a person who exists in article soundbites, I don't really rate him and ,if I did, 4/10.
  
  Poke @Walsandrew | 29 Sep '11, 15:11 | X
- I like his music,
  
  especially the Klavierwerke EP. I'm not too crazy about the album, though. Oh yeah, he has a new tune, which I quite like:
  http://consequenceofsound.net/2011/09/check-out-james-blake-fear-to-fear/
  
  bulletboy @Walsandrew | 29 Sep '11, 15:16 | X
  
  andyvine this'd this
  - yes.
    
    sunstroke_house @bulletboy | 29 Sep '11, 16:39 | X
i love his music

but when he talks, he comes across as a bit of a cuntflap. why can't he wear a mask and be anonymous like REAL DUBSTEP ARTISTS

stalecloud | 29 Sep '11, 16:35 | X
- only metal fingers can do that and get away with it
  
  james blake just sounds like he's trying to hard, all the time
  
  Walsandrew @stalecloud | 4 Oct '11, 22:54 | X
testosteronestep vs yawnstep

I'll stick to techno.

satan_you_dog | 29 Sep '11, 23:10 | X

Cementimental this'd this
- *1992-6 jungle
  
  Cementimental @satan_you_dog | 30 Sep '11, 12:42 | X
  
  Mehodor this'd this
I'm all for extremism

but with some substance, yeah?

I mean, I still love some of the stuff Vex'd and Spor and that were releasing a few years back, but the whole nasty bass line thing has been co-opted by people with no substance whatsoever.

incandenza_ | 29 Sep '11, 23:22 | X
my kind of level of testosterone

http://soundcloud.com/acephale/korallreven-as-young-as-1

cronenberg | 30 Sep '11, 02:07 | X
and as if on cue...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/sep/29/skrillex-dubstep-interview

gaborszabo | 30 Sep '11, 02:25 | X
- Is that Corey Feldman?
  
  bruised_blood @gaborszabo | 30 Sep '11, 13:57 | X
- he used to sing in From First to Last?
  
  wuuuttt
  
  wewerewerewolvesonce @gaborszabo | 2 Oct '11, 16:38 | X
BUT

dubstep at it's most 'extreme' or 'filthy' or whatever is still totally tame, boring and not very noisy or aggressive at all compared to the extremes of all other dance genres. :-/

Cementimental | 30 Sep '11, 12:36 | X
- i think the 4 or so dubstep tracks i have heard i actually like are the sort of thing everyone's complaining about
  
  i don't like Skrillex tho as far as i know
  
  Cementimental @Cementimental | 30 Sep '11, 12:39 | X
- *any other dance genre
  
  Cementimental @Cementimental | 30 Sep '11, 12:40 | X
- Do you ever get bored of being smug and superior
  
  about everything ever?
  
  Cos i get bored of you doing that. It's really boring.
  
  still_here @Cementimental | 30 Sep '11, 17:16 | X
  - you just don't 'get' my posts
    
    Cementimental @still_here | 1 Oct '11, 13:34 | X
    
    Cementimental this'd this
  - 'If something is boring after two minutes, try it for four. If still boring, then eight. Then sixteen. Then thirty-two. Eventually one discovers that it is not boring at all.' - John Cage.
    
    (^___^)<3
    
    Cementimental @still_here | 1 Oct '11, 13:40 | X
    - If stabbing yourself in the face is painful for two minutes,
      
      Try it for four. If still not painful, then eight. Then sixteen. Eventually, dead.
      
      InsomniacBoy @Cementimental | 1 Oct '11, 23:19 | X
      - >
        
        http://www.millsworks.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/writing_process.gif
        
        Cementimental @InsomniacBoy | 2 Oct '11, 04:34 | X
There's a wimit...

to your Wub.

ehwhat | 30 Sep '11, 13:03 | X
Douche Step

DriftingSkeleton | 30 Sep '11, 13:07 | X

Cementimental, Icarus-Smicarus, and film_maker this'd this
Doomcore is better than dubstep

Cementimental | 30 Sep '11, 13:20 | X
- clowncore is better than the lot of them - http://vimeo.com/29589320
  
  Walsandrew @Cementimental | 30 Sep '11, 14:09 | X
  
  Cementimental this'd this
Just found this

Dubstep track used in Weetabix ad

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2011/09/30/maybe-dubstep-isnt-so-edgy-anymore-whats-next/

peaceboner | 30 Sep '11, 16:47 | X
- I remember the time i first heard jungle on an air freshener ad or somethinggg
  
  RIP ;__;
  
  Cementimental @peaceboner | 30 Sep '11, 16:59 | X
  - touch'n'fresh touch'n'fresh
    
    Body_In_The_Thames @Cementimental | 1 Oct '11, 18:50 | X
why bite the hand that feeds you?

watsona7 | 1 Oct '11, 20:20 | X
I don't like Skrillex

Why do fans of electronic music have such hostile attitudes towards American people/culture?

wysh | 1 Oct '11, 21:21 | X
- Because Americans turn everything good into shit?!
  
  bulletboy @wysh | 1 Oct '11, 21:28 | X
  - ?
    
    specifics, please
    
    watsona7 @bulletboy | 1 Oct '11, 23:21 | X
    - from...
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIo8fuG7sAE
      
      to
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUgK_RYjj2o
      
      lol
      
      jimitheexploder @watsona7 | 1 Oct '11, 23:31 | X
      - from...
        
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptgcw8Hu0hg
        
        to
        
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtlluJjApYM
        
        You can't get more wet than that last vid...
        
        :')
        
        jimitheexploder @jimitheexploder | 1 Oct '11, 23:42 | X
        
        from...
        
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-WzB48MIJ0
        
        to
        
        http://widgets.beggarspromo.com/SlaughterHouseTiestoRemix
        
        wait....
        
        jimitheexploder @jimitheexploder | 1 Oct '11, 23:49 | X
        
        from...
        
        http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/africa_pop_79.jpg
        
        to
        
        http://www.slaveryinamerica.org/geography/slavery_us_1860.jpg
        
        Cementimental @jimitheexploder | 2 Oct '11, 04:36 | X
        
        to be fair
        
        I suspect those kids in the unofficial Skrillex video aren't entirely serious.
        
        wewerewerewolvesonce @jimitheexploder | 2 Oct '11, 16:33 | X
        
        also
        
        1.54 onwards :'D
        
        wewerewerewolvesonce @wewerewerewolvesonce | 2 Oct '11, 16:35 | X
- classism/heteronormativity/xenophobia totally inexcusable independent of the fact that american rehashes of UK dance genres do actually objectively suck
  
  Cementimental @wysh | 2 Oct '11, 04:39 | X
  - Look, maybe my comment was too harsh,
    
    and I certainly didn't mean it any kind of xenophobic/nationalist way, but the fact is that Americans do water-down good stuff from Europe, and vice versa.
    
    bulletboy @Cementimental | 2 Oct '11, 10:24 | X
    - ha mine was definitely too harsh so that's ok :)
      
      Cementimental @bulletboy | 2 Oct '11, 15:04 | X
:')

http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Rob/intervention.png

jimitheexploder | 2 Oct '11, 00:05 | X

bulletboy this'd this
don;t mind dubstep if it's turned back into Grime again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc7n0tuFaPk

Cementimental | 2 Oct '11, 04:56 | X
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt5TPahrKGY
  
  Cementimental @Cementimental | 2 Oct '11, 04:58 | X

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