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PJ Harvey
Adele
Elbow
Anna Calvi peaked at No. 40
Tinie Tempah and Adele are the only two 'big sellers' in the list really - maybe Elbow too.
Everything Everything entered at 15
and now they're less big than Anna Calvi? Ah, DiS.
Music Will Be The Winner
I'm going.
If anyone cares, follow me on Twitter on @mikediver and you'll be able to read POTENTIALLY FASCINATING INSIGHTS into, y'know, stuff. Assuming there's wi-fi. Of course there's wi-fi.
For the record, I'd love for Ghostpoet or Metronomy to win. And I certainly wouldn't be upset if King C and Jon H won. If Elbow win I might just jack in this music journalism lark. If that's one of the best 12 British/Irish albums of the past 12 months, then I'm the Honourable Leo Usain Bolt.
Metronomy
Also, Kevin Perry will be there tonight for DiS. He'll be posting some bits on the boards and over on twitter as http://twitter.com/drownedin (our events-only, live-tweeting thingy)
http://drownedinsound.com/users/KevinEGPerry/articles
Do I know Kevin?
Maybe I should BEFRIEND him.
Maybe you should.
As Sean said, I'll be on twitter at: http://twitter.com/drownedin and I'll also be posting updates to this thread through the night.
I just spoke to the bookies, and they're tipping King Creosote & Jon Hopkins as a potential dark horse: http://drownedinsound.com/news/4143501-pj-harvey-favourite-to-win-second-mercury-prize
As someone who spent my adolescence living it up on the English Riviera, I'd love to see Metronomy win. PJ Harvey's is the album I've listened to most though.
Why watch performances
when you can just get the bits with Jools Holland being a prat
I don't even know who was nominated?
I hope The Phantom Band get it. I'm sure the panel would have selected them...
See, you'd have thought that.
But there's a big Elbow-shaped thing in their place.
.
Adele – 21
Anna Calvi – Anna Calvi
Elbow – Build a Rocket Boys!
Everything Everything – Man Alive
Ghostpoet – Peanut Butter Blues & Melancholy Jam
Gwilym Simcock – Good Days at Schloss Elmau
James Blake – James Blake
Katy B – On a Mission
King Creosote & Jon Hopkins – Diamond Mine
Metronomy – The English Riviera
PJ Harvey – Let England Shake
Tinie Tempah – Disc-Overy
Considering how often debut albums win since the mid-90s
I do think sometimes they should just change it to a debut album prize
I love Elbow
and like the new album but it really doesn't need to be on the shortlist.
Definitely, much as I like the record there's no real point in Elbow winning
would much rather it be something I may like less but from an artist who has much more to gain from winning
hopefully pj harvey.
Prediction? There'll be loads of threads in the 24 hours after the announcement
about how shit the winning album is.
especially if that album is Metronomy or James Blake
both of which seem to stoke up the most arguments here
Well..
Head says Blake or Metronomy
Heart says PJ
William Hill's odds from yesterday:
6/4 PJ Harvey
5/1 James Blake
6/1 Adele
7/1 Anna Calvi
7/1 Metronomy
8/1 Ghostpoet
16/1 Katy B
16/1 Everything Everything
20/1 King Creosote & Jon Hopkins
33/1 Elbow
40/1 Tinie Tempah
50/1 Gwilym Simcock
the horrors or wild beasts
lolz
Please just King Creosote
since Kenny's a cool guy.
James Blake
I'll say that
King Creosote & Jon Hopkins will win.
Either King Creosote/Jon HOpkins or Gwilymn Simcock
Those are the only 2 albums there that I like. Everything Everything are pretty good as well tho.
I'd love Ghostpoet to win
personally, think his album is ace. Metronomy winning would have been c
Smother would have been easily my pick had it actually been nominated.
Pendulum
something has either leaked or gone viral
Kind creosote now being quoted as favourites. 6/4 with some bookies.
A huge swing.
Hmm... same thing happened with Paul Weller last year...
Paul Weller at centre of 'biggest turnaround in music betting for 40 years': http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/sep/06/mercury-prize-paul-weller
Needless to say, he didn't win.
I remember Zero 7 becoming favourites just before the ceremony in 2001 as well
though on the other hand the big gamble on Antony and the Johnsons in 2005 proved to be correct
I suspect
this is entirely due to the weight of music people going "King Creosote, that's the dark horse" yesterday and this morning.
where's that?
oddschecker has it at fifth favourite, behind pj, adele, calvi, blake, over a range of 9/2 - 8/1
do we know who the judges are?
http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/awards/mercury-prize/winning-act
it came up on the skybet twitter
Saying that, I just backed it at 6/1 down the road, with a cheeky £5 on PJ to try and offset my losses.
40k!
They must be quaking in their boots.
Simon Frith
is always at pains to clarify that the decision is never made before the judges get into one room on the evening.
but doesn't that the live performance on the night is likely to colour their decision
any of the acts particularly good or bad live?
2009 Judges were:
Janice Long - Former BBC Radio 1 DJ, now of Radio 2
Charles Hazlewood - Noted British classical music conductor
Jude Rogers - Guardian music columnist
Arwa Haider - Metro newspaper music critic
George Ergatoudis - Head of Music, BBC Radio 1
Conor McNicholas - Former editor of NME. Now editor of Top Gear magazine
Mike Flynn - Jazz editor, Time Out magazine
John Kennedy - DJ and presenter of X-Posure new music show on XFM
Mark Findlay - Head of Music, Global Radio (Capital FM)
Dean Jackson - DJ BBC Radio Nottingham
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2009/sep/10/mercury-prize-judges-revealed
so these are the people who chose Speech Debelle
Conor McNicholas - Former editor of NME. Now editor of Top Gear magazine
It says it all really.
Sorry, that 'Now' refers to 2009.
He lasted less than a year.
still baffled that The Horrors aren't in the list
no one seems to know for sure
if they were in time or not. If they were then yeah, baffled also.
Diver confirmed it in an earlier thread
that they were or weren't?
Skying was released 11th July...
which was the last day for album eligible for this year's prize, so guessed they missed out.
Richard Bacon just found out M People won a mercury live on air
lol
supposedly beat His n Hers by one vote as well
Whoops
Everyone hates them now, including reviewers
Are you sure you're not thinking of The Vaccines?
Is anyone showing it on tv?
BBC, but not all of it:
The BBC will be covering the night live on BBC Two and BBC HD from 10.00pm. BBC Radio 6 Music will also be broadcasting live from the venue from 8.00pm. There will also be additional coverage of all live performances available on the BBC HD channel from 10.30pm and on the Red Button for the next 7 days.
also, I reckon James Blake will most likely win
but I hope ghostpoet takes it.
Ghostpoet on now.
Considerably louder than everything else so far.
I love predicting... to look foolish afterwards (or before)
PJ Harvey's got the best album by far (my opinion, i.e all that matters) so won't win.
The law of you don't win it twice also rules out Peej and Elbow.
King Creosote should win so everyone goes 'who the hell is he?' and buys his back catalogue catapulting him into the national conscious and getting him the recognition he deserves.
I'm thinking the last two winners have been slightly under the radar, alternative, they're going to go back to something mainstream so that everyone who reads it in the papers tomorrow goes 'Ah yes, a music award that agrees with my taste, I'm glad I have such good taste in music that wins awards'.
Which leaves us with Tinie or Adele. Now I've had much, much more fun with the Tinie album as I guess most people have but it just doens't keep up the consistency throughout. Adele on the other hand has sold about 36 million copies, one for every other person in the country so who can argue with that?
I'm going Adele.
...
am finding it hard to find any statistics about how well the xx were doing before they won, but I remember them already being very widely known - they were 5/2 favourites, (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-10696387). It definitely wasn't a controversial choice. Having said that, I can still see why they'd want to go for a really big selling record, that hasn't happened for a while.
In this 'they always pick those that need a publicity shove' angle
there's a lot we deliberately miss out. The xx had already headlined the Arena at Latitude and soundtracked the BBC election coverage by the time they won so they were hardly unknown quantities to all but journos. Similarly One Day Like This had already colonised radio and Klaxons were one of the most talked about bands at that moment, so much was invested in nu-rave and its style section potential. And then there's the Arctics win...
Hmm, that's a good point...
Your link does prove that the bookies were expecting The XX to win and they were right (how do they always seem to know????). But was that based on the fact that they'd gone totally left field the year before with Speech, realised it hadn't gone to plan and gone for a guitar band who was under radar but cool? Nah, cos Wild Beasts, Foals and Villagers were available.
Looked up chart positions and the xx didn't chart with anything until after the Mercury, re-issues. I don't recall them getting much radio play and only a little internet coverage.
Maybe it's all down to the judging panel and the strength of argument in the room but what arguments are they using? I must kno!
The xx was a strange one
because, while it got great reviews across the board, it wasn't a huge hype album on release but still entered in the top 40, and it seemed the amount of press about them just grew and grew from there - the album was certainly almost always selling before the announcement (http://www.chartstats.com/albuminfo.php?id=14392)
Cheers for the website link Mr T
I like that site, when I'm a millionaire I'm going to chuck them a few quid cos it needs a little investment.
By your argument up there, you reckon a 'bubbling under, need a shove towards the spotlight' might do it. In the dying minutes you going to make a prediction so we can all point and laugh at each other afterwards?
I don't care that much
I don't know, tbh. I have a sneaking suspicion they might go with Adele after all this, even though in the build-up her chances had pretty much been sidelined.
Oh man, if you go with my choice it spoils the fun!
Right, I'm saying Katie B (obv I've already called out Adele so I've got doubles) ;-)
I sorta think James Blake is gonna win it
even though his album isn't really very good.
Big late betting surge for King Creosote
massive favourites
alot of money going on Metronomy too
perhaps word has got out there will be a 'surprise winner'
Not sure that always works
I remember Beth Orton getting a massive betting push right near the announcement in the year Roni Size won.
Oh absolutely
and there was that big hoo-ha with Paul Weller last (?) year too.
Adele
Actually I wouldn't be THAT surprised if Everything Everything won.
I heard a song by them recently that wasn't actually shit, and they're the right level of mildly well known without being massive.
Serious question
What kind of dullard bets on the Mercury Prize?
I bet on it last year.
My only ever proper bet.
Don't think you've got a handle on betting there
Betting on boring things makes them more fun and exciting. Roulette, horse racing and poker aren't that entertaining without something at stake.
Yesh, I lost on this tedious piece of shit. Cunts!
Do Metronomy regret those lights yet?
What's happening on TV?
Mike Diver told me we'd be live to the world at 10, but NOTHING IS HAPPENING HERE.
aye could be Adele
THE JUDGES HAVE MADE THEIR DECISION.
Hopefully not too much longer until we're told.
so The Horrors album just hadnt been out long enough
for anyone to have really *heard* it i guess.
Dizzee Rascal won
when his album came out right at the end of the eligibility period
I would have thought the band/record label registered it for consideration long before it was released. The panel just didn't rate it highly enough to make the shortlist.
JOOLSJOOLSJOOLS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04mwN5Zjg5c
Nice one.
Well done Peej.
PJ
harvey
Good choice
LET.
ENGLAND.
BAKE.
Soz wrong thread;
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4300521
that PJ Harvey knows how to tell a gag
Apart from those multi-millionaire mancunians Elbow
PJ Harvey is probably the artist who least needs that money. Good album or not.
Adele?
Stupid omission, I happily retract that statement
-Im just bitter that kenny's lost me money again.
Good job it's not the Mercury Money Neediness Award, then
Also
Adele? 3m UK sales to date? I imagine she has some pots to piss in.
I imagine Adele...
isn't short of a bob or two either.
I heard Adele actually recycles her own piss because she can't afford running water
Because she spends all her money on cakes
Are Elbow multimillionaires?
Really?
I think its a pretty fair presumption
Given that every one of their five studio albums have made the top 20, Seldom seen kid selling over 1 million copies alone, and their stadium support of bands like coldplay, u2 and muse (all of which will have paid a pretty penny)
Ssssshhhh
Wanted Katy B or PJ Harvey to win
so I'm very happy
Great album, great choice
she seems well nice
glad none of those other shit bastards won
Guardian Music retweet
"decision driven by the chance to make history and finally award it in person!"
Eh?
maybe because
the last time she won she wasn't present? (she was in the USA, around the time of 9/11). As for the history part, I'm guessing it's winning twice.
It was on September 11th 2001
she was in a hotel in Washington DC I think overlooking the Pentagon.
Here's a man currently experiencing a world of pain
http://twitter.com/pjharvey
He loves the attention
https://twitter.com/pjharvey/status/111189016275202048
He's the new @theashes
I look forward to her posting in this thread.
Such a great record
im very happy!
Re: tv coverage
She's still as gorgeous now as was in '92. How's that possible? *heart*
a well deserved win
Im glad Adele or the made up jazz act didnt get it
I see what you did there
In the light of PJ Harvey winning....
I'd like to bring up the Express' insightful review of Let England Shake
http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/view/228361/Review:+PJ+Harvey:+Let+England+Shake
A popular but by no means safe choice, good!
Anyone who disagrees should blame speech debelle. Few years before the judges take that kind of punt again. Pity, because her album was only alright, ghostpoet & kc/jh genuinely good.
This tweet. Fo' real or trolling?
@HolyMolyNews PJ Whovey? Once again the music industry goes on to prove it knows vast amounts of fuck all about actual music. #mercuryprize
Tweeted by @SmokinFishBread
Only trolling HolyMoly
in the same way HolyMoly trolled everyone else about Let England Shake: http://www.holymoly.com/reviews/music/album-review-pj-harvey-let-england-shake52895
cheers, Polly
to a well-earned victory...
well.......
nice that she won and all that......but dissapointed one of the more low profile acts didn't win.....like she's made a fair few bob over the years already and is bound to make a shit loads more from winning this.......not saying "i support the underdog" and all that but would've been nice to see someone like Metromony or everything everything win.....just so they are heard by the masses a bit more......but in the end fair play to her....although no one told her a swan had sat on her head before the event......
somehow I got into a drunken twitter argument with the Star on Sunday(?)'s showbiz reporter over PJ Harvey last night
maybe it's just the nature of twitter, but extraordinary the amount of people this year who seem to have suggested this is a wilful decision rewarding an obscure artist... I know the odd mainstream act has won, but for all that they're a silly award, when were the Mercurys for the biggest seller? Channel 4 News's dickhead showbiz correspondent seems to be suggesting this was a snub to Adele.
Anyway, PJ Harvey won - huzzah!
As soon as Adele was nominated
it looked set up for a mainstream press angle of Adele Snubbed. Adele is the sort of thing showbiz journalists excitedly put forward in an attempt to prove they really like music and aren't just in it because they might get their picture taken with Peter Andre.
THE MERCURY PRIZE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHO NEEDS THE MONEY MOST
Or else Gwilym Simcock would have won and Adele and Elbow wouldn't have been nominated. I imagine the xx were becoming quite well off from increasing gig venues, constant album sales and TV background music royalties before they won last year.