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once it becomes really popular and the labels realise that it's an unsustainable business model as it stands.
can't help but feel the labels will eventually attack for the monies. I love Spotify, where i live my internet is so slow that I can't download music without it taking 10 days but with Spotify it's all there ready to go. Worth every penny.
streaming requires more reliable bandwidth than downloading.
I have shite internet back at my familial home, downloads are slow, iPlayer and 4OD streaming is practically unusable, but bar the odd annoying pause, Spotify works fine for the most part.
Downloads of what? How slow is slow? All of which is beside the point that once you've downloaded an album you won't have any issues because you'll be playing it from your hard drive.
(Also, Spotify works fine for the most part bar the odd annoying pause? Isn't that the only way that Spotify could not work fine?)
particularly in my post where I was just highlighting how shit my internet is there before pointing out that Spotify is surprisingly reliable, rather than trying to make any point about Spotify being a superior alternative.
And no. The odd annoying pause, as in OCCASIONAL. It could 'not work fine' by working like my iPlayer does there and pausing to buffer roughly every 5 seconds.
I said streaming requires more reliable bandwith than downloading, you said `nah`, then didn't explain how/why. So if I've missed the point, I think it's because you didn't make it.
Someone said he has terrible internet but his Spotify always works, you said that didn't make any sense and I said no, the same is true for me. I didn't try and make any explanation for HOW IT ALL WORKS cos I don't know and I don't really care, I was just outlining the performance I've experienced which match up with his, and presumably with the person who has this'd my post.
Stop being so angry all the time.
First guy said with spotify it's all there, not that it always works. I pointed out that it's virtually logically impossible for a streaming service to perform better than downloading something (which is then playable locally). You decided to deny this, even though you say later that you don't know and don't really care how it works.
So you're just being a nuisance.
Spotify has optimised streaming so that it streams better on low bitrate. Downloading depends on servers and, if bittorrent, clients and seeds. So yeah, Spotify will work better on slower connections that you might think.
It is not logically, or virtually impossible, for a streaming service to run better. If the client, and the server, is designed for it then it will work excellently. Also, saying that REAL LIFE EXAMPLES are PEOPLE ACTUALLY TALKING SHIT or LYING is ridiculous.
It still doesn't work as smoothly as something which has been downloaded and is playing from a hard drive. Given the same connection, downloading will be superior (not to mention the fact that when downloaded once it no longer has to be retrieved remotely each time).
P.S. Lighten up.
The original post makes no reference to how smoothly a downloaded file will play from a media player. Why the fuck would anyone even bring that up? It's ridiculous.
When he said "With Spotify it's all there ready to go", he quite clearly meant when he decides to check out some new album, he doesn't have to wait HOURS for the torrent or zip file to download before he can add it to his library and listen to it - he can just go on and listen instantaneously, even with a poor connection.
I really think you know all this already, don't you?
I have been told that Spotify caches some of your most played tracks so that they will play smoothly. Like a downloaded file.
They're like the worst example of humanity. Exploiting, destroying and over miling every single thing in the world.
Spotify will turn shit because of this. Just you watch.
(inb4 "IT'S ONLY A FIVER YOU'RE KILLING MUSIC DURRRRRRR").
pleasing the US labels so it could launch there?
perhaps it was just speculation. Though I can't imagine them not introducing the restrictions in the US once it gets off the ground.
I can't really wake up without doing that. Sorry there aren't any things left for the rest of you.
Don't make me exploit and destroy you
Anything over £25 and i'd question it, but i feel I get that level of value out of it.
I won't pay to rent music. Not worth it in the long run.
*I won't pay to rent /recorded/ music.
...is what I can hear rattling around in a few minds.
A: You don't need a licence.
It's defo something that's been mentioned in past Spotify threads.
But i use and enjoy Spotify more and it's cheaper.
so I'm spending next to bugger all to rinse the album for all its worth then moving on, as opposed to plundering a tenner on an album I listen to no more then 3 times. I buy the records I really enjoy innit.
Albums rarely cost a tenner, and it's a freak occasion where I listen to an album as little as three times (ever).
Horses for courses though. If you feel you're getting value for it then that's all good, regardless of what I babble on about.
I still really like it as a try-before-you buy listening post. And the playlist thing is done quite nicely (although not something i'd pony up for in itself - it's a nice bonus).
Otherwise I'm with theWozza. I only got spotify in around Jan/Feb, and I've probably only used it for about 8 or 9 hours since then.
If it was my main way of listening to music every day, well, maybe I would pay a fiver a month or something. And maybe I wouldn't. I mostly like the group playlists.
I might pay for a month at a time at some point but so far I've not really felt compelled to pay for it and just listened to what I own a lot of the time instead.
Battles took a couple of weeks, Arctic Monkeys must have taken about a month and Wild Beasts about a month and a half. Acceptable when it's free but if you're paying for Spotify in place of buying stuff then it'd be a bit annoying.
I had premium when Battles came out and it was there the first day.
Those usually show up as 'Premium exclusive's though. You can see them but can't listen to them. The new Strokes album was like that for weeks. Battles may well have fallen into that camp but I'm certain the other 2 didn't.
It's amazing for work. I'd never pay for a home account though. Too much stuff that isn't on there.
What am I missing with Spotify (and Pandora for that matter)? I'm pretty happy with KEXP at work.
When they announced the changes to the service, they softened the blow by announcing there would be a 30 day free trial of premium for EVERYONE, something I was very quick to remind people I met who whined about the changes.
Recently I remembered about this and how it didn't seem to have happened yet, and checked the site, to find that the way they'd implemented it was that you had to sign up for the 7 day trial - something I already did long before the changes took place - and then sign in on a smartphone for the trial to be extended to 30 days. So when they said 'EVERYONE', they in fact meant 'EVERYONE WHO HAS A SMARTPHONE AND RESISTED ALL OUR PREVIOUS FREE TRIAL OFFERS'. Bit of a dick move I thought.
See also: opening Spotify one day to see a promise of a 'FREE DOWNLOAD', clicking on the button and being told to plug in my iPod to recieve it. I don't have an iPod. Thanks, Spotify.
That's what I did. Gonna do it again and again probably.
I hate these niggly rants about them not having certain bands or bands not coming on quick enough. There is whole library/history of music out there to listen to. I don't have the time to listen to all the artists on my playlist. I could easily put on 5 intriguing new artists a day.
Stop being such an incredible tight arse. £5 or £10 is still a ridiculous bargain for a lifetime of music at your fingertips. I'll be very sad if it does end up getting canned.
And that's why it'll end up getting canned/trimmed/downgraded back.
just stating something that's put me off paying for it. And then you replied to the post where I AM whining about a massive lie they told and how they're starting to align themselves with certain products in a slightly annoying way. I haven't claimed anywhere that it's not worth money, just outlined why I haven't felt compelled to pay yet despite thinking I would have caved by now. I've just been buying some fucking CDs instead, if you don't mind.
It's £5 or £10 for a month of music. Bit different, m8.
I'm saying there is a lifetime of music POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE, so all these accusations of not having the right bands are imbecilic.
I really wish we could have just one rational discussion on this board about Spotify's pros and cons without it descending into po-faced self-righteousness from those who like it enough to pay for it.
That's pretty good for anyone that's in a indie band (i.e. local indie band) that already has their music up there.
Unlikely to do that much cos people need to have heard of you anyway but i know my band have about 50-100 fans in the US, although most have already bought the album.
you see a lot of 'This album is unavailable in the United Kingdom' messages. All depends on the labels and stuff. But I'd imagine most stuff will be available.
But that's cool I guess.
because every has such different ways of using it. i've always got my laptop nearby so i'm constantly listening to music on spotify.
i would pay £25/month, possibly more for Spotify, i do genuinely love it, i really do. but i not everyone uses it in the same way me.
as for it launching in the US - i agree that the major labels will get scared at some point and it will all change.
so hopefully there won't be any more at some point. But I won't be that surprised if there are.
anyone want to give me some awesome playlists they've compiled to get me started? :)
why yes, I am that guy
And the rest of the services are almost half the price.
Way to reward loyal customers.
Seems to be back to the invitation model for that version too though, maybe it's just the best way to launch it.
It is odd though how their prices are always the same numbers in different currencies. €4.99, £4.99, $4.99. The discount the Europeans get compared to us is reasonably negligible but I can't believe how good a deal they're giving the Americans.
Like game consoles launching for £499/$499 and stuff like that. The in-built difficulties of getting around region locking make most people suck it up.
It's just a kick in the teeth to see them 'apparently' restrict the European version so it was acceptable to labels to launch it in the US, then actually go ahead and give them the full version.
They should have held back with the free one in Europe until they changed it in the US too, which would have made it easier to swallow that they're getting such a better deal price-wise.
I still buy from emusic (just) and bandcamp and stuff... but for being able to just listen to anything... it's awesome