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Come on now, what a record.
But it's so dense with ideas, it really doesn't feel that short at all. Its like there's a musical-digestion time lag.
I keep thinking threads with TKOL in the title are about Kings of Leon. EVERY TIME.
Youth And Young Manhood > any Radiohead
yes it's dense, with BAD ideas. it's so last decade and so "let's teach the alt rock-kids about electronic music". both the record and the preceding and succeding singles totally suck which is simply crazy when you think about how good in rainbows was. the new record totally lacks both songwriting (except for lotus flower but that one was so much better on a semi-acoustic guitar) and good production.
In Rainbows was actually quite weak. I find TKOL more exciting.
is maybe their career high.
TKOL is a grower, in particular side 2 is lovely. I respect it, I enjoy listening to it, but I don't think I'll ever adore it like I have with many of their records. It'll end up being like Hail to The Thief, one that I pull out and play once or twice a year only.
So the [many, many many] people that listen to music for "tunes" are never going to like it.
That said, after ample digestion time, I think that TKOL is pound-for-pound possibly Radiohead's best. Not in an all-encompassing way, but it's certainly the most mature and subtlely brilliant thing they've done.
The singles aren't half bad either. The Butcher is like TDS-era Trent Reznor if he wrote from the perspective of a 43-year-old. Supercollider is a grower, but I think Thom really nailed it live at the Orpheum in 2009 and it's hard to top that.
but In Rainbows was turgid, bland, let's appeal to the wankers who drone on and on and on about The Bends, shite.
Having said that, the first half of the record is interesting but only to a point. Anyone who's been keeping abreast of Flying lotus or the Hessle Audio area of electronica will have heard the ideas before and done better. Anyone who hasn't you can probably refer back to the first paragraph anyway.
Are you sure you were listening to the right album?
To me it's their weakest album since Pablo Honey. It's just a collection of weaker versions of other songs in their back catalogue. The sound of a band that just didn't give a shit about pushing themselves anymore.
You could not be more wrong.
b) I love In Rainbows but I do get is point about it sounding like a bit of a retread. I mean, personally I think they covered new ground to an extent with the relaxed/stripped back nature but I can understand when people say this and call it boring etc. I occasionally think that, but then I put it on and love it again.
King of limbs is far more of a retread than in rainbows. But then actually, apart from some subtle things, havent all radiohead albums since amnesiac been in some way a retread of what they've done before?
i'm gonna bite on the second half - where in the hessle audio/flying lotus catalogue have they written something like 'little by little' with its layers of guitars and verses and chorusses? genuinely interested to know.
I listened to it 3 times, was wholly unrewarded but said I'd try again in a bit. I guess today could be 'a bit'?
but I'm always changing my mind on why it's not as brilliant as their earlier stuff...
That said it's an interesting failure if it is one and i'm returning to a lot of the tracks a fair amount, it's only really disappointing in that Radiohead are normally stupidly consistent with blowing me away. It may yet grow on me but it's sat at this 7/10 vibe since I first heard it.
seems like a pretty obvious question, but they've pretty much missed the boat for doing any big UK or US outdoor shows this year, and they're not doing any festivals.
suppose they could do an arena tour and do three/four/whatever nights at the O2 but that's not very 'them', even the 2011 'them', and a lot of the material on it doesn't sound like it would work that well in the live arena, its much more of a 'home' record than a 'live' one, and yeah whilst this is the band that out out Kid A that at least had The National Anthem and Idioteque, which sound HUGE live that the recorded versions don't do.
And I think it would help nail down exactly how good or otherwise this record is. I like KOL but I just couldn't imagine hearing any track off it sandwiched between, say, Reckoner and Idioteque and not sounding very very weak in that kind of company.
But on the other hand maybe seeing them live would show them in a new light. I JUST DON'T KNOW.
they won't, they seem to be recording again rather than touring, I imagine they'll release another album in a year or two and then maybe tour, they're all parents now so I think touring will be rare for that reason at least.
didnt think it would sound good at all between the Bends/OK Computer stuff. In the end though it did work.
If you look at their sets over the past tour it's a pretty diverse selection of songs. I'd say KOL songs will just add to this diversity.
As good as In Rainbows is, and as good as the songs are live, THOSE are the tracks I found didn't quite sit well in among all the darker material. Still good though but when they were playing pretty much every song from the album when they toured it sounded odd flipping back and forth between stuff like All I Need and Where I End And You Begin. The new stuff to me is nice and dark enough to slot in perfectly alongside the Kid A/Amnesiac/HTTT stuff.
Also, they fucking better tour. Maybe they're just not doing it in summer this time because their amazing light show was pretty much wasted at the UK shows last time round. Plus it might take them a while to learn how to play this stuff live.
slightly jarred with some of the early stuff played live moreso than Kid A era stuff, otherwise thought worked fine. Reckoner is one of the best live songs they've ever done. Just isn't really that great live, judging by youtube their heart's just not in it rocking out live anymore.
The Bends is fairly awful live in recent years too, vocally at least, I'm not sure why they continue to play it. The others must bully Thom into it.
And then every now and then they'll decide to throw Planet Telex into a set and it's fucking incredible. More please, guys.
Planet Telex is underappreciated. They played Nice Dream at Leedsfest in 09 when I saw them and that worked fine, it slots in with later stuff fairly well.
I think the climax of this was that recording of the bends in that small gig they did where Thom adopts a mock whingey voice throughout playing The Bends.
I can only think they want something very guitary in the set for balance or something.
i assumed they'd say something in the newspaper about it when it arrives. But now the more i think about it the more that becomes assumed rather than think. I think i agree about the songs sounding more homely. they are quite tight sounding. However they quite often change arrangements of the more lightly orchestrated songs (where perhaps it's not so obvious who does what) for live, for example All i need, where Ed plays that fuzzy chunky bit in the second verse or the gloaming with its jazzy bass breakdown or changing the brass focus on The National Anthem to Ondes etc.
If that's the case, I'm looking forward to a month from now
in this thread.
the rankings come out.
Amnesiac=HTTT>Kid A>TKOL>OK Computer>In Rainbows>The Bends>Pablo Honey
Amnesiac: Pyramid Song (honourable mention: You And Whose Army?)
HTTT: A Wolf At The Door (honourable mention: We Suck Young Blood)
Kid A: Morning Bell (honourable mention: Everything In Its Right Place)
TKOL: Lotus Flower ((honourable mention: Feral)
OKC: The Tourist (honourable mention: Airbag)
IR: 15 Step (honourable mention: Nude)
The Bends: Planet Telex
Pablo Honey: Blow Out